A word about GameLeague and the new league... - Page 3

November 14, 2000, 22:07

Actually I did basically disappear. With the exception of a topic I started for gameleague suggestions that was the only time I posted. Not to mention that I didn't even play league games or tribes so my only affiliation with gameleague was for the strategy section. My gameplay was nonexistant practically since I played a few 2 on 2's once in a while on the zone. Don't blame me for coming back this time, thank Markusf and Mokerguy for pointing out my email address to Kwang. I would happily have carried on doing what I was doing. If you want me gone, next time don't bring me up.

November 14, 2000, 23:02

Hey Frank
You Sound like the Apple Mac;
and Win 95 was NOT a rip off of the Mac...
I thought it was but the courts said no....
Why don't you attack when there is something to attack? Getting all defensive and legalistic is not the way to get a success happening.
With Eyes involvement and GL's poor judgement and all your attitudes it's very likely another league will successfully displace GL.

However, I think there is a generational thing here. GL is pretty much a teenage thing which is OK and the attitude does generate some adrenalin but it is not the style of many of the Apolytoneers. I seriously think a separate league/tribe thing like the one proposed is a good option for the more mature players who generally like 1x1x and full length proper games of civ MP.

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aka: half-assed dieticians
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Wezil · November 14, 2000, 23:32

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However, I think there is a generational thing here. GL is pretty much a teenage thing which is OK and the attitude does generate some adrenalin but it is not the style of many of the Apolytoneers. I seriously think a separate league/tribe thing like the one proposed is a good option for the more mature players who generally like 1x1x and full length proper games of civ MP.

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Well said Deity.

Do you have a team to face the Brokenheads with?

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"These were giants [The ‘Hellfire’ Club]. They had standards - not like these whimpering mashers who keep fouling our headlines today."

Free the D**d Threads!!

Moker Guy · November 14, 2000, 23:56

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Frank Johnson on 11-14-2000 12:48 AM</font>
It comes down to this guys. You have attacked my section of Gameleague which for the most part is completely seperate of the part you have a problem with.......so you take it out on me. No. If it had been my screw up I can see taking this sort of BS....but no....you attacked me for no good reason.

Anyone using any of my copywritted intellectual material is going down. You have 48 hours to comply. I'll start sending letters to ISPs and pull strings with Mark and Dan. I've done it before. It's that simple. I don't deny your right to exist, but if it uses any of my features, primary rules, or looks like GameLeague's tribes.....you are going to force my hand.
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this is rediciulous.

if i were to come to you with a list of improvemnets,
which i have, you would just look at them and put them aside. automation of tribes should have been done when they came out. i make a post on a thread and a reply is stated that you are working on it? tribes have been out for a long time. should i really go through a list of improvemnts that should be done to your tribe system? that would be just a waste of my time as i have metioned above. None of your ""intellectual material "" will be used.*

Frank* if it was why does it matter anyway? you stated earlier that you dont make any money.........

This is the whole reason for a new site.

Moker

Moker Guy · November 15, 2000, 00:14

Ok back to the point. CivTribes is a new site that is run by the memebers of the page. any issues will be discussed on the forum and be taken to a vote there as well. eye's slander is absurd, i am just another vote in a sea of civers. i merely know something about html and have decadcated some of my time into building the page. CivTribes isnt about king 2x2x settings like gameleague either. tribe games can be played on any settings that the tribes want. i would love to get a large map 1x1x game going, possibly even world. the games could even be determined by which tribe settles alpha centuri first.

ive never made a space ship in this game on multi and would like to play a game like that. shoot ive rarely played a game that went pass metllurgy. people usally quit when someone gets that

the main point i would like to make here though is that team play is fun. you make good freinds with your teamates as well as your opponets. so far civtribes has five tribes, all are welcome to join. i am a trusted player, as well as my tribe, as well as the other tribes on the page. this whole site is for fun and the only part of actual compition that will be on it is a win/loss record, and tournaments that will be played, possibly for prizes and cash depending on what i can come up with.

i know i dont have much of a rep on here besides when me and eyes had a kickboxing match with glass on our knuckles

but at least ive had the same name for 2 years.

Moker

Wezil · November 15, 2000, 01:06

Moker - <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font>CivTribes isnt about king 2x2x settings like gameleague either. tribe games can be played on any settings that the tribes want. i would love to get a large map 1x1x game going, possibly even world. the games could even be determined by which tribe settles alpha centuri first.
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Ideas like this is what will bring the Brokenheads out to play. 2x2x rapid assault games with nothing more in mind than the points to be garnered is not why we play civ.

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"These were giants [The ‘Hellfire’ Club]. They had standards - not like these whimpering mashers who keep fouling our headlines today."

Free the D**d Threads!!

Wezil · November 15, 2000, 01:36

Khanman - I stopped by the new site a day or two ago and left a message. In view of what's gone on recently I will change my decision and return to sign up. I still don't know how often I can gather the other Brokenheads (

) to play but we shall be a listed tribe.

Cavebear - I had an ICQ conversation with another civver about the whole Eyes/Sean reformation idea. He bought the act, I didn't. Eyes suckered me with an earlier persona but no longer. Fool me once....

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"These were giants [The ‘Hellfire’ Club]. They had standards - not like these whimpering mashers who keep fouling our headlines today."

Free the D**d Threads!!

KhanMan · November 15, 2000, 05:13

Frank-Simply put, we wish to form our own group for civ2 mp play. Will you respect our rights, as individuals, to form whatever groups we want, or will you seek to dictate what we can and cannot do with our time?

Respectfully,
KhanMan

Hydey · November 15, 2000, 05:31

Hey Deity, do you think us Aussies could scape up a team? Then again who would want to play against a bunch of trolls like us.

ps I whole heartedly agree with your comments above.

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vlad · November 15, 2000, 06:30

I really hate seeing the problems of Gameleague spilling over to here. Its a league with a good intention of active competition for a game many diehards love. I joined last November because I wanted an online game that challenged me, and a league I thought, provided more competent players.
I am not a diehard civ'r,never even played solo against ai. I jumped in on civ2 gold with some friends on a network because they wanted another player. I am a lifelong gamer, but more along the lines of Panzer general for computer and Squad Leader,Axis&Allies offline with friends. My gaming wish has always been a true multiplayer game because I like to be social and I like games. I enjoy the ability to have fun with a bunch of people and my 1st civ games on a network with friends right next to me were awesome. The civ virus had hit. So after a couple games in the zone I played my first few league games. I lost, but I gained some pointers and eventually made some very good friends.Some People who I have met in person and many I talk to on a daily basis online. Although civ was the common ground, its not what we always talk about. From league I also veered of to the Off Topic section of Apolyton and have never left, as annoying as I may be to Ming sometimes with my age discriminations

Again through that forum I have made some very good friends and had some awesome conversations.This little community we have is better than most online. We have not only good gamers, but interesting and intelligent people. Something I never found in many league games and did find in a couple games with Ming,Rah,Bird,etc was a social aspect. I mean if we were in the same room we would be joking and having beers all the while still trying to beat each other,almost a modern cigar smoking boys night out. I also found that in a good friend SeanKhan who I met in league. This is what playing civ was all about, not worrying who is cheating or who will sell out as an ally,not to keep in character,but because he wants to win the points.Now the league forums are nothing but backbiting and bitc#ing about the system rather than just playing and having fun. Certainly not what anyone wants to see if they were thinking about joining. There is a big difference between the chest expanding boasts last year and the accusastions of the league admins cheating now. This kind of thing has to stop and it has to stop now from both sides. Moker you guys have to be adults about this stuff and Frank, Kwang, Eyes you have to be adults too. Things can be worked out without threats from Frank or insults from Moker.A new team league is kewl and really no different in scope than Ming's regular games.If it goes well maybe you can incorporate it with league tribes in time for civ3, a game I hope will have less cheat problems.Frank maybe you can talk more with Moker and get some help, just like Kwang got help from Eyes, and make league Tribes better and more user friendly.Moker seems to have skills and time.
I will end my MtG length post(if you don't know what I am talking about go to the OT forums,great place).
I met Eyes/Sean in the zone and have talked to him many times. He is an intelligent kid and a good civ player,but a terrible example for Gameleague and civ.I have always stood up for him in conversations and if he lived near me I am sure I would help him if he needed it. Hell I would prolly buy him beer, but sadly I,like Sloww and Cavebear can no longer support his connection to Gameleague. I cannot argue with his skills as a civ player,but his attitude detracts from that skill to the point of being a negative. He has been given an opportunity to act like an adult and as his posts begin again to show he is back to his old self.Decisions made by Gameleague will not affect my play in league, or my personal life, but from someone that gives advice for a living I suggest you make some hard decisions now so in the civ3 future you will be able to reap the rewards of honest hard work. Vlad's 16cents
Oh yeah Moker sucks at civ

Cmon guys I gotta be the king of comedy,can't always be serious!!!

November 15, 2000, 07:16

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if it was why does it matter anyway? you stated earlier that you dont make any money.........
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perhaps you'll realise this now that you want to start making something similar...

November 15, 2000, 07:23

if you read my first post(topic opener), i was very nice and now i'm trying to defend a good idea...

this backlash of attitude from gameleague members and administrators, is why i want to be around more mature players...

i am 26 years old, and i am being threatened by 15 year old administrators, over laws that they have no concept of...

i am glad to see that there is a growing interest in this version of team play, and i thank all those who have supported us...

and for those who have not supported us, thank you also for your opinions...

Frank Johnson · November 15, 2000, 09:42

If you would have listened to me before you would learned that I am not a coder. I cannot provide you with every upgrade you desire immediately, and many not at all, you should whine to the other admins about upgrades. You should have said this was your reason in the first place, instead of trying to shadow it with the small vocal group of people bashing Sean, which I have no connection with.

As far as bashing me because of my age, which is 17 thank you, remember the net is not biased by age like most of the world and that I am where I am today because I was able to. The great Dan and Mark of apolyton aren't much older than myself. If you believe you can do better fine, just don't blatantly rip off the whole system I have invested my time in. That's a legitimate request, time will tell if you motives are real or if they are something else.

Frank Johnson · November 15, 2000, 09:57

Also, for the record, serveral of these tribe's leaders have privately announced they are not leaving GameLeague, only wishing to participate in both leagues. I still have not heard from Sayen, the central figures in this drama, as to their true desire to stay or go. So if their leader could clear this up for me I would be grateful so I can accurrately display the current standings.

weird god · November 15, 2000, 12:43

dear admins

i don´t see why this new tribe-league is that of a problem for you (if it´s not for the purpose of making money). people get bored if nothing changes and everything is the same for a long time. what i want to say is that i think you really do a great job all in all *applause* but gameleague is still almost the same as it was as i joined a while ago. and don´t say it´s that perfect - there could be much improved. if you are addicted civers like most of us, and i guess you are, you should be happy for new ideas of organizing that great game and of realizing new rating systems. plus more competition is good for all of us - at least you over there use to think uncompromisingly that way

the cheater problem of course can never be controled, but it can be limited. letting a known long-term-cheater do the strat-section doesn´t increase your image, at least in my e**s.

http://www.garaje.ya.com/kingus23/civ/civenglish1.htm

http://civilizationtribes.50megs.com/

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Moker Guy · November 15, 2000, 19:16

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by vlad on 11-15-2000 05:30 AM</font>
Oh yeah Moker sucks at civ

good post vlad, well put

Moker

November 16, 2000, 01:22

Actually, the use of webpage ideas and other sorts of things are pretty blurred when it comes to copyright infringement. I'm sure if Frank wanted to he could easily make a very good argument portraying you as theives of the net.

And thank you vlad, you've made me see the error of my ways. hehehehe Oh, no need to buy me beer, I have a fake ID for that. MUWHAHAHA!!!

November 16, 2000, 07:34

i suck too, play me and i'll prove myself, .... just gimme a chance....lol

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Prince of Gameleague...

Lessor Sayen of the Sayen Tribe...

http://civilizationtribes.50megs.com

November 17, 2000, 16:15

anyone still interested?

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Prince of Gameleague...

Lessor Sayen of the Sayen Tribe...

http://civilizationtribes.50megs.com

KhanMan · November 18, 2000, 03:47

For those of you who question Chuckles word, I can vouch for him on this: he is, without a doubt, one of a very select and small group (read: "those I might be able to beat in civ2 mp play) Those of you who know me and my skill know what an honor this is

Frank-Personally, I see everyone as an individual. It doesn't matter to me how old or young you are, or whatever. I seek a peaceful coexistance, or, if that's too high a goal, at least a live-and-let-live setup. We don't want to end, threaten, or steal gameleague or any players from you. We do want to exist, side by side, with Gameleague, indulging in that illicit high that is civ2 mp gaming.

Respectfully,
KhanMan

Nap Bonaparte · November 18, 2000, 04:09

ok....so sean knows 2x2x small world,cheating rules subtext, blah blah blah.....what makes him an authority on any kind of civ strategy thread...lets see him play in the real world with non-corrupted rules

November 18, 2000, 15:00

Well, go read the strategy section on gameleague. Then post a response to it of what you think and we'll debate whether I'm full of ****.

Moker Guy · November 19, 2000, 12:01

your stratagies are off the wall and overly compilcated eyes. they also dont tell much of anything.

Moker

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Im here to play civ. Screw all of this political BS. Give me a game of civ with good players, that are more than just robots, and im having fun. I bet everyone else is too. Who cares who wins or loses? Its better to make friends than make enemies. Who knows you might run into a very important person on here.

Oh yeah EyesOfNight is the most pathetic person i have ever ment in my life.

November 19, 2000, 22:32

How so?

suas333 · November 20, 2000, 00:18

Because Eyes, when we play we both move quickely, It is impossible for you to perform the amount of anylization of demographics etc. in the amount of time between turns. SO i have a hard time believing you use all the strategies you write.

November 20, 2000, 01:24

How long do you really think it takes? It takes a few clicks. I can do it inbetween turns. It's not my fault you don't fully understand it. A compliment in a way.

KhanMan · November 20, 2000, 05:11

Personally, I find all this interesting but off topic: this thread is to discuss civtribes. There are other threads devoted to the strategies of Sean Eyes.

-KhanMan