3rd millenium chess : Julius vs Ken

Julius Brenzaida · December 17, 2000, 05:41

This is now the 4th game of the Apolyton World Championship. Carolus beat Kcbob, was then beaten by Smash who just lost to Julius. No champion has yet retained his title. Will the curse go on ?
Here comes Ken. He says he fights off long games and allows the champion to play with the white pieces when a draw is enough for the champion to remain champion. Excuse the repetition of the world champion, but I am not sure I'm going to remain champion for long.
Ken's quiet assurance is already worrying me. When we'll be in the 21st century, I'm going to tell a nice 19th century chess story that should explain my fears.
But enough talking : my 1st move is 1 e4.

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

Julius Brenzaida · December 17, 2000, 05:44

By the way Ken, if you're not too familiar with the algebraic notation, we shall always have the two versions. But watch out, I'm not too good with the descriptive.

1 e4

1 K-P-4

Ken Hinds · December 17, 2000, 07:08

No problem Julius. I'll watch your descriptive if you make sure I don't mess up the Algebraic notation. Just one note, in Decriptive the piece being moved is listed first then the square moved to. I fixed the notation for your first move. I also change the layout slightly as I think it will be less confusing for our audiance. If you don't agree then we can work something else out.

Ken

Ken Hinds · December 17, 2000, 07:09

1 e4 ... a6 .. P-K4 P-QR3
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Julius Brenzaida · December 17, 2000, 09:14

1 e4 … a6 1 P-K4 … PQR3
2 d4 2 P-Q4

Julius Brenzaida · December 17, 2000, 09:16

quote:

Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-17-2000 06:08 AM
No problem Julius. I'll watch your descriptive if you make sure I don't mess up the Algebraic notation. Just one note, in Decriptive the piece being moved is listed first then the square moved to. I fixed the notation for your first move. I also change the layout slightly as I think it will be less confusing for our audiance. If you don't agree then we can work something else out.
Ken

OK, but what's the name of this opening. Nobody had ever played me this before ?

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

Ken Hinds · December 17, 2000, 09:57

1 e4 … a6 1 P-K4 … P-QR3
2 d4 … b5 2 P-Q4 … P-QB4

Ken Hinds · December 17, 2000, 10:36

Julius,

It's a variation on Owen's Defense. It's designed to keep the Romans confused while the confederation of Alans, Huns, and Sueti circle around to their rear and capture Ceasar in his tent.

Ken

Julius Brenzaida · December 17, 2000, 12:40

1 e4 … a6 1 P-K4 … P-QR3
2 d4 … b5 2 P-Q4 … P-QN4
3 Nf3 3 N-KB3 …

Ken, I’ve assumed you’ve played 2 … b5. I’ve got some trouble with the descriptive notation of your 2nd move. Doesn’t P-QB4, means Pawn in front of the black bishop next to the queen moves to the 4th rank in black’s perspective ? 2 … c5 that is.
If you’ve played 2 … c5, let me know and I’ll look for another move.

Julius Brenzaida · December 17, 2000, 12:42

quote:

Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-17-2000 09:36 AM
Julius,
It's a variation on Owen's Defense. It's designed to keep the Romans confused while the confederation of Alans, Huns, and Sueti circle around to their rear and capture Ceasar in his tent.

Ken

Well this Owen defense special variation looks tricky indeed. Was Owen a German ? I know of an English poet of this name …

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

Ken Hinds · December 17, 2000, 12:58

Julius,

You misread my move. That was P-QN4(knight) not bishop-4. As long as you responded to a move of the Queen Knight pawn the you are OK.

I'm not sure who Owen was. Some obscure chess player, perhaps Henry VII's father. His name was Owen, in which case it would be an obscure Welsh Chess player.

Ken

Julius Brenzaida · December 17, 2000, 14:30

1 e4 … a6 1 P-K4 … P-QR3
2 d4 … b5 2 P-Q4 … P-QN4
3 Nf3 … Bb7 3 N-KB3 … B-QN2
4 Bd3 4 B-Q3

Julius Brenzaida · December 17, 2000, 14:32

quote:

Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-17-2000 08:57 AM
1 e4 … a6 1 P-K4 … P-QR3
2 d4 … b5 2 P-Q4 … P-QB4

Well, it looks like you typed QB and not QN, not that it matters much. I'm always going to trust the algebric.

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

Ken Hinds · December 17, 2000, 15:51

Julius,

My appologies. I was looking at your correction and not my original post. I did have a typo in my descriptive version of the move. I'll be more careful for now on.

Ken

Julius Brenzaida · December 17, 2000, 16:12

quote:

Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-17-2000 02:51 PM
Julius,
My appologies. I was looking at your correction and not my original post. I did have a typo in my descriptive version of the move. I'll be more careful for now on.
Ken

No problemo, it was just for the sake of arguing.
By the way, is there not some Michael Owen, a soccer player for Liverpool, a forward I believe.

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

Ken Hinds · December 17, 2000, 16:31

I'm not sure. I only kept track of the German Teams and that has not been since 1984. By the way, how do you guys get those quoted sections in your posts? I've tried but have not yet got the process figured out.

Ken

Smash · December 17, 2000, 16:35

WOW!.Strong British amatuer player John Owen used an opening like this in his match,with odds of pawn and move,against Morphy in 1858.He played P-QN3 though.Larsen used to play it also.

Ken Hinds · December 17, 2000, 17:16

Smash,

That is the standard version of the Owen Defense. I'm using a variation of that Opening. And thanks for answering the question about who Owen was. As you can see from our previous posts neither of us knew.

Ken

Ken Hinds · December 18, 2000, 01:29

1 e4 … a6 1 P-K4 … P-QR3
2 d4 … b5 2 P-Q4 … P-QN4
3 Nf3 … Bb7 3 N-KB3 … B-QN2

Julius Brenzaida · December 18, 2000, 08:47

Smash, thanks for the historical informations. I know some about the history of the game, but this Owen I really didn't know.
Ken, have you played a new move ? If yes, I haven't noticed it in the last replies. If no, don't panic, one move every day or two is definitely ok.
The game so far : e4/a6/d4/b5/Nf3/Bb7 and 4 Bd3.

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

kcbob · December 18, 2000, 09:19

With apologies to any Catholics out there...

Hail, Mary, full of grace.
Take me out of this crazy place!

a6?
b5??
Owen???

Lord have mercy, who have I fallen in league with here? I repeat an earlier statement, whatever happened to a simple Queens Gambit or Giuoco Piano?

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Frodo lives!

Ken Hinds · December 19, 2000, 02:20

Sorry about that Julius. I missed your last move yesterday and have been waiting for you. I'm fairly tied up right now but with have the move posted within the next two hours.

kcbob, I've heard of the piano, but have never played it. When you are as out of practice as I am you need to dredge up something that will put these Hot Young players off their game. Therefore the obscure confusing openings. I thought about using h3, but didn't want Julius to think I was being insulting.

Ken
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Ken Hinds · December 19, 2000, 03:25

1 e4 … a6 1 P-K4 … P-QR3
2 d4 … b5 2 P-Q4 … P-QN4
3 Nf3 … Bb7 3 N-KB3 … B-QN2
4 Bd3 … Nf6 4 B-Q3 … N-KB3

Julius Brenzaida · December 19, 2000, 05:38

1 e4 … a6 1 P-K4 … P-QR3
2 d4 … b5 2 P-Q4 … P-QN4
3 Nf3 … Bb7 3 N-KB3 … B-QN2
4 Bd3 … Nf6 4 B-Q3 … N-KB3
5 Nbd2 … 5 N1-Q2

Ken Hinds · December 19, 2000, 05:59

This I like: An opponent that follows the script that they are given. Transposed a couple of moves, but that's no big deal.

1 e4 … a6 1 P-K4 … P-QR3
2 d4 … b5 2 P-Q4 … P-QN4
3 Nf3 … Bb7 3 N-KB3 … B-QN2
4 Bd3 … Nf6 4 B-Q3 … N-KB3
5 Nbd2 … e6 5 N1-Q2 … P-K3

kcbob · December 19, 2000, 08:57

quote:

Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-19-2000 01:20 AMI thought about using h3, but didn't want Julius to think I was being insulting.
Ken

LOL!

Reminds me of an opening called "The Spike". It's played by white and the first move is g4, aka, P-KN4. It's supposed to say to your opponent, 'See with what contempt I hold you. I can make any move I desire, even to the point of destroying my King's side defense, and you are helpless to do anything about it.'

I imagine the next game I play in rotation, my opponent will probably open with "The Spike".

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Frodo lives!

Julius Brenzaida · December 19, 2000, 11:24

quote:

Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-19-2000 01:20 AM
Sorry about that Julius. I missed your last move yesterday and have been waiting for you. I'm fairly tied up right now but with have the move posted within the next two hours.
Ken
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Don't worry, it's no game of speed. It's not a 5 minutes blitz or stuff like that.

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

Julius Brenzaida · December 19, 2000, 11:27

quote:

Originally posted by kcbob on 12-19-2000 07:57 AM
Reminds me of an opening called "The Spike". It's played by white and the first move is g4, aka, P-KN4. It's supposed to say to your opponent, 'See with what contempt I hold you. I can make any move I desire, even to the point of destroying my King's side defense, and you are helpless to do anything about it.'
I imagine the next game I play in rotation, my opponent will probably open with "The Spike".

1 g4 is called the Grob, I believe. Its best variation : 1 g4 e5, 2 f3 Qh4 mate.

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

kcbob · December 19, 2000, 11:32

quote:

Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida on 12-19-2000 10:27 AM
1 g4 is called the Grob, I believe. Its best variation : 1 g4 e5, 2 f3 Qh4 mate.

What you are listing here, Julius, is the true "Fool's Mate". "The Spike" is to be played in a serious mode from the point of g4 on. I sure wouldn't want to try to open with it and then win.

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Frodo lives!

Julius Brenzaida · December 19, 2000, 11:33

quote:

Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-19-2000 01:20 AM
kcbob, I've heard of the piano, but have never played it. When you are as out of practice as I am you need to dredge up something that will put these Hot Young players off their game. Therefore the obscure confusing openings. I thought about using h3, but didn't want Julius to think I was being insulting.
[This message has been edited by Ken Hinds (edited December 19, 2000).]

Psychological warfare at its best ! No move as never insulted anybody. Play as you will Ken. Besides, I've got a better score in the Giuco Piano as in this Sub-Owen variation (0 victories in 0 games so far).

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe