December 19, 2000, 11:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-19-2000 04:59 AM
This I like: An opponent that follows the script that they are given. Transposed a couple of moves, but that's no big deal. 
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Oh oh, so I am falling right into your preparation. You're not so innocent after all.
The only thing I've been able to dug out from my books is the game Karpov-Miles won by black. So 1 ... a6 has already beaten a world champion, I should take care. No transposition intended, indeed.
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December 19, 2000, 11:42
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quote:
Originally posted by kcbob on 12-19-2000 10:32 AM
What you are listing here, Julius, is the true "Fool's Mate". "The Spike" is to be played in a serious mode from the point of g4 on. I sure wouldn't want to try to open with it and then win.
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Don't worry Kcbob, it's just psychological warfare once again. One of the strongest player in my town sometimes plays 1 g4 and when he is in a strange mood he might play 2 h4. And once, my 1 e4 was answered by 1 g5, so I learned it was called the Basman, the Spike with 1 more move for the opponent.
But nobody had ever played me 1 a6. Doesn't look that bad when you look more closely at it.
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December 19, 2000, 11:47
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Well, I'm talking and talking but that's not all. Right now I am at school and if I can still see this one blindfold, I'd rather get back home and put it on a chessboard before playing my next move. I think, Smash played 5 ... Bb4 too carelessly in the last game and put himself in a difficult position straight away.
I'm not going to let that happen. "Young and Hot player ?". Not exactly young and rather cold ...
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December 19, 2000, 12:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida on 12-19-2000 10:27 AM
1 g4 is called the Grob, I believe. Its best variation: 1 g4 e5, 2 f3 Qh4 mate.
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In Sweden this opening is known as Norwegian Opening or, alternatively, The Idiot.
BTW, this thread is growing fast. I looked for several days for the next game and found nothing. Then all of a sudden 30+ replies...
Carolus
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December 20, 2000, 00:54
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In North America it is called the Saint George Defense.
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December 20, 2000, 01:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Carolus Rex on 12-19-2000 11:53 AM
In Sweden this opening is known as Norwegian Opening or, alternatively, The Idiot.
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ROTFLMAO! 
I had to read this reply twice before I began to truly appreciate the wit contained therein.
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December 20, 2000, 01:58
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1 e4
a6 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5 2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
6 O-O
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December 20, 2000, 02:23
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1 e4
a6 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5 2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5 6 O-O
P-QB4
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December 20, 2000, 07:07
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
. 7 PxQB5
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December 21, 2000, 01:27
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB5
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December 21, 2000, 01:33
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Julius,
I noticed that you carefully avoided following Karpov's line of 5 Qe2 or the even better move for my purposes of 5 e5 -- 6 a4. Good job of keeping those front line legions focused on the mission. The barbarian confederation is patient however, and just waiting for the guards on Ceasar's tent to start nodding off.
Ken
[This message has been edited by Ken Hinds (edited December 21, 2000).]
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December 21, 2000, 07:11
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quote:
Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-21-2000 12:33 AM
Julius,
I noticed that you carefully avoided following Karpov's line of 5 Qe2 or the even better move for my purposes of 5 e5 -- 6 a4. Good job of keeping those front line legions focused on the mission. The barbarian confederation is patient however, and just waiting for the guards on Ceasar's tent to start nodding off.
Ken
[This message has been edited by Ken Hinds (edited December 21, 2000).]
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The barbarian confederation shall not wait any longer, my next move is e5 ! I know of the Karpov game, but of nothing else, concerning your sub-owen, eh Carolus no Scandinavian name for that one ? I just play quietly, "ΰ la Kramnik", knowing that a draw is enough to defend my title. But if I see an opportunity, I will go for it !
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December 21, 2000, 07:12
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB5
8 e5 ..... 8 P-K5
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December 21, 2000, 08:40
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB5
8 e5
Nd5 .... 8 P-K5
N-Q4
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December 22, 2000, 01:02
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5
N-Q4
9 Ne4
9 N-K4
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December 22, 2000, 02:21
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5
N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4
B-K2
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December 22, 2000, 05:33
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5
N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4
B-K2
10 Bg5 ... ..... 10 B-KN5
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December 22, 2000, 06:27
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5
N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4
B-K2
10 Bg5
O-O ..... 10 B-KN5
O-O
[This message has been edited by Ken Hinds (edited December 22, 2000).]
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December 22, 2000, 09:58
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Ken, are you sure you don't live in central Europe? You guys have to be in the same time zone. You're making moves left and right. This is great!
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December 22, 2000, 15:04
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5 N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4 B-K2
10 Bg5
O-O
10 B-KN5 O-O
11 Bxe7
11 BxK7
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December 22, 2000, 21:15
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5 N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4 B-K2
10 Bg5
O-O
10 B-KN5 O-O
11 Bxe7
Qxe7
11 BxK7
QxK7
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December 22, 2000, 22:38
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Let me see if I can tidy this up abit.
1.e4...a3--------------1. P-K4...P-QR3
2.d4...b5--------------2. P-Q4...P-QN4
3.Nf3...Bb7------------3. N-KB3...B-QN2
4.Bd3...Nf6------------4. B-Q3...N-KB3
5.Nbd2...e6-----------5. N1-Q2...P-K3
6.O-O...c5------------6. O-O...P-QB4
7.dxc5...Bxc5---------7. PxQB5...BxQB4
8.e5...Nd5------------8. P-K5...N-Q4
9.Ne4...Be7-----------9. N-K4...B-K2
10.Bg5...O-O---------10.B-KN5...O-O
11.Bxe7...Qxe7------11.BxB...QxB
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December 23, 2000, 01:51
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Thanks, Smash. I was leaving the Hybrid Descriptive as an aid to Julius since his way still told me what I needed to know and avoided some of the abiguities of the normal descriptive notation.
kcbob, I don't live in Central Europe anymore. Lived in Lower Saxony for 4 years however. The reason for the relative fast replies is that Information Systems never sleeps. We are always watching everbody.
Ken
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December 23, 2000, 09:29
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5 N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4 B-K2
10 Bg5
O-O
10 B-KN5 O-O
11 Bxe7
Qxe7
11 BxB QxB
12 Nd6
12 N-Q6
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December 23, 2000, 11:21
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5 N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4 B-K2
10 Bg5
O-O
10 B-KN5 O-O
11 Bxe7
Qxe7
11 BxB QxB
12 Nd6
Bc6
12 N-Q6 B-QB3
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December 23, 2000, 14:23
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5 N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4 B-K2
10 Bg5
O-O
10 B-KN5 O-O
11 Bxe7
Qxe7
11 BxB QxB
12 Nd6
Bc6
12 N-Q6 B-QB3
13 Nd4
13 N-Q4
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December 23, 2000, 18:51
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Julius,
Now we enter uncharted territory. You skipped the 13th move of the script and went straight to move 14 so we have come to the end of the line in the opening.
For Smash and kcbob this game with 13th move included was played by Tischbierek and Reefschδger, 1994 in Germany. What the rest of the moves were or how it turned out I don't know and it didn't figure in my choice of openings since at some point we all have to play our own games anyway. The evaluation of the position after White's move 14 was that positionally White had a very slight advantage, but that Black had the overall tactical advantage due to ease with which White can error and lose that advantage or even the game as Karpov did.
Ken
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December 23, 2000, 18:58
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5 N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4 B-K2
10 Bg5
O-O
10 B-KN5 O-O
11 Bxe7
Qxe7
11 BxB QxB
12 Nd6
Bc6
12 N-Q6 B-QB3
13 Nd4
Nb4
13 N-Q4 N-QN5
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December 24, 2000, 05:10
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quote:
Originally posted by Ken Hinds on 12-23-2000 05:51 PM
Julius,
Now we enter uncharted territory. You skipped the 13th move of the script and went straight to move 14 so we have come to the end of the line in the opening.
For Smash and kcbob this game with 13th move included was played by Tischbierek and Reefschδger, 1994 in Germany. What the rest of the moves were or how it turned out I don't know and it didn't figure in my choice of openings since at some point we all have to play our own games anyway. The evaluation of the position after White's move 14 was that positionally White had a very slight advantage, but that Black had the overall tactical advantage due to ease with which White can error and lose that advantage or even the game as Karpov did.
Ken
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What's that ??? I've been setup ! The guy says he hasn't played serious chess at all for 100 years and he puts in some 1994 game with unknown german players. The "K" in Ken stands for Kasparov, is that right.
I've been out of personnal knowldege since move 2 and out of book since move 5. I'm glad to know my moves were as good as those of Tischbierek (ΰ vos souhaits).
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December 24, 2000, 06:30
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1 e4
a6
.. 1 P-K4
P-QR3
2 d4
b5
2 P-Q4
P-QN4
3 Nf3
Bb7
.. 3 N-KB3
B-QN2
4 Bd3
Nf6
.. 4 B-Q3
N-KB3
5 Nbd2
e6
.. 5 N1-Q2
P-K3
6 O-O
c5
.. 6 O-O
P-QB4
7 dxc5
Bxc5
7 PxQB5
BxQB4
8 e5
Nd5
.. 8 P-K5 N-Q4
9 Ne4
Be7
9 N-K4 B-K2
10 Bg5
O-O
10 B-KN5 O-O
11 Bxe7
Qxe7
11 BxB QxB
12 Nd6
Bc6
12 N-Q6 B-QB3
13 Nd4
Nb4
13 N-Q4 N-QN5
14 f4
14 P-KB4
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