David versus Goliat - the end... - Page 2

Julius Brenzaida · April 9, 2001, 05:48

1 e4 … e6
2 d4 … d5
3 Nc3 … Nf6
4 Bg5 … Be7
5 e5 … Nfd7
6 Bxe7 … Qxe7
7 Qd2 … a6
8 f4 … c5
9 Nf3 … Nc6
10 dxc5 … Qxc5
11 O-O-O … b5
12 Bd3 … b4
13 Ne2 … a5
14 Kb1 … Ba6
15 Bxa6 … Rxa6
16 Qd3 … Rb6
17 h4 … a4
18 Rh3 … Qa5
19 Nfd4 … Nc5
20 Qg3 … O-O
21 Nxc6 … Rxc6
22 Nd4 … Rc7
23 f5 … Ne4
24 Qe1 … exf5
25 Nxf5 … a3
26 Ne3 … Rc5
27 Rd4 … axb2
28 Nxd5 … b3
29 Nb4 … Nc3+
30 Kxb2 … Ra8
31 Rxc3 … Qa3+
32 Ka1 … Rxc3
33 Qd2 … h6
34 e6 … bxc2
35 exf7+ … Kh7

Carolus Rex · April 10, 2001, 07:36

1 e4 … e6
2 d4 … d5
3 Nc3 … Nf6
4 Bg5 … Be7
5 e5 … Nfd7
6 Bxe7 … Qxe7
7 Qd2 … a6
8 f4 … c5
9 Nf3 … Nc6
10 dxc5 … Qxc5
11 O-O-O … b5
12 Bd3 … b4
13 Ne2 … a5
14 Kb1 … Ba6
15 Bxa6 … Rxa6
16 Qd3 … Rb6
17 h4 … a4
18 Rh3 … Qa5
19 Nfd4 … Nc5
20 Qg3 … O-O
21 Nxc6 … Rxc6
22 Nd4 … Rc7
23 f5 … Ne4
24 Qe1 … exf5
25 Nxf5 … a3
26 Ne3 … Rc5
27 Rd4 … axb2
28 Nxd5 … b3
29 Nb4 … Nc3+
30 Kxb2 … Ra8
31 Rxc3 … Qa3+
32 Ka1 … Rxc3
33 Qd2 … h6
34 e6 … bxc2
35 exf7+ … Kh7
36 f8N+

Carolus

Carolus Rex · April 10, 2001, 07:37

Something kcbob would call a spite check?

Carolus

Julius Brenzaida · April 10, 2001, 17:37

1 e4 … e6
2 d4 … d5
3 Nc3 … Nf6
4 Bg5 … Be7
5 e5 … Nfd7
6 Bxe7 … Qxe7
7 Qd2 … a6
8 f4 … c5
9 Nf3 … Nc6
10 dxc5 … Qxc5
11 O-O-O … b5
12 Bd3 … b4
13 Ne2 … a5
14 Kb1 … Ba6
15 Bxa6 … Rxa6
16 Qd3 … Rb6
17 h4 … a4
18 Rh3 … Qa5
19 Nfd4 … Nc5
20 Qg3 … O-O
21 Nxc6 … Rxc6
22 Nd4 … Rc7
23 f5 … Ne4
24 Qe1 … exf5
25 Nxf5 … a3
26 Ne3 … Rc5
27 Rd4 … axb2
28 Nxd5 … b3
29 Nb4 … Nc3+
30 Kxb2 … Ra8
31 Rxc3 … Qa3+
32 Ka1 … Rxc3
33 Qd2 … h6
34 e6 … bxc2
35 exf7+ … Kh7
36 Nf8+ … Kg8

Julius Brenzaida · April 10, 2001, 17:39

quote:

Originally posted by Carolus Rex on 04-10-2001 07:37 AM
Something kcbob would call a spite check?

Well, no more checks for you, I am afraid.

Carolus Rex · April 11, 2001, 05:32

I will give you three choices. I know which alternative I find most beautiful, let's see which one you like the most.

BTW, fun game! I'd be interested to hear what you and anyone else have to say about it. I have a couple of other moves along the journey I'd like to analyse. But first, my move.

Carolus

Carolus Rex · April 11, 2001, 05:34

1 e4 … e6
2 d4 … d5
3 Nc3 … Nf6
4 Bg5 … Be7
5 e5 … Nfd7
6 Bxe7 … Qxe7
7 Qd2 … a6
8 f4 … c5
9 Nf3 … Nc6
10 dxc5 … Qxc5
11 O-O-O … b5
12 Bd3 … b4
13 Ne2 … a5
14 Kb1 … Ba6
15 Bxa6 … Rxa6
16 Qd3 … Rb6
17 h4 … a4
18 Rh3 … Qa5
19 Nfd4 … Nc5
20 Qg3 … O-O
21 Nxc6 … Rxc6
22 Nd4 … Rc7
23 f5 … Ne4
24 Qe1 … exf5
25 Nxf5 … a3
26 Ne3 … Rc5
27 Rd4 … axb2
28 Nxd5 … b3
29 Nb4 … Nc3+
30 Kxb2 … Ra8
31 Rxc3 … Qa3+
32 Ka1 … Rxc3
33 Qd2 … h6
34 e6 … bxc2
35 exf7+ … Kh7
36 f8N+ … Kg8
37 Qxc3

Carolus

Carolus Rex · April 11, 2001, 05:36

BTW, my choice: 37 ... Qxc3 mate

Carolus

Julius Brenzaida · April 11, 2001, 14:43

1 e4 … e6
2 d4 … d5
3 Nc3 … Nf6
4 Bg5 … Be7
5 e5 … Nfd7
6 Bxe7 … Qxe7
7 Qd2 … a6
8 f4 … c5
9 Nf3 … Nc6
10 dxc5 … Qxc5
11 O-O-O … b5
12 Bd3 … b4
13 Ne2 … a5
14 Kb1 … Ba6
15 Bxa6 … Rxa6
16 Qd3 … Rb6
17 h4 … a4
18 Rh3 … Qa5
19 Nfd4 … Nc5
20 Qg3 … O-O
21 Nxc6 … Rxc6
22 Nd4 … Rc7
23 f5 … Ne4
24 Qe1 … exf5
25 Nxf5 … a3
26 Ne3 … Rc5
27 Rd4 … axb2
28 Nxd5 … b3
29 Nb4 … Nc3+
30 Kxb2 … Ra8
31 Rxc3 … Qa3+
32 Ka1 … Rxc3
33 Qd2 … h6
34 e6 … bxc2
35 exf7+ … Kh7
36 f8N+ … Kg8
37 Qxc3 … c1R+

Julius Brenzaida · April 11, 2001, 14:45

quote:

Originally posted by Carolus Rex on 04-11-2001 05:36 AM
BTW, my choice: 37 ... Qxc3 mate
Carolus

Sorry, I couldn’t resist the pleasure to make a second underpromotion in the game. Two in a row is very rare indeed. It is mate next move.

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

Carolus Rex · April 12, 2001, 04:10

1 e4 … e6
2 d4 … d5
3 Nc3 … Nf6
4 Bg5 … Be7
5 e5 … Nfd7
6 Bxe7 … Qxe7
7 Qd2 … a6
8 f4 … c5
9 Nf3 … Nc6
10 dxc5 … Qxc5
11 O-O-O … b5
12 Bd3 … b4
13 Ne2 … a5
14 Kb1 … Ba6
15 Bxa6 … Rxa6
16 Qd3 … Rb6
17 h4 … a4
18 Rh3 … Qa5
19 Nfd4 … Nc5
20 Qg3 … O-O
21 Nxc6 … Rxc6
22 Nd4 … Rc7
23 f5 … Ne4
24 Qe1 … exf5
25 Nxf5 … a3
26 Ne3 … Rc5
27 Rd4 … axb2
28 Nxd5 … b3
29 Nb4 … Nc3+
30 Kxb2 … Ra8
31 Rxc3 … Qa3+
32 Ka1 … Rxc3
33 Qd2 … h6
34 e6 … bxc2
35 exf7+ … Kh7
36 f8N+ … Kg8
37 Qxc3 … c1R+
38 Qxc1

Carolus

Smash · April 13, 2001, 03:53

I think maybe 23.f5 could be replaced with Qe1 and a3.The impending attack was building.Counter attack was aggressive but something needed to be done on the other side of the board.

Then again, he crushed me up pretty quick so what do I know

Julius Brenzaida · April 14, 2001, 06:47

1 e4 … e6
2 d4 … d5
3 Nc3 … Nf6
4 Bg5 … Be7
5 e5 … Nfd7
6 Bxe7 … Qxe7
7 Qd2 … a6
8 f4 … c5
9 Nf3 … Nc6
10 dxc5 … Qxc5
11 O-O-O … b5
12 Bd3 … b4
13 Ne2 … a5
14 Kb1 … Ba6
15 Bxa6 … Rxa6
16 Qd3 … Rb6
17 h4 … a4
18 Rh3 … Qa5
19 Nfd4 … Nc5
20 Qg3 … O-O
21 Nxc6 … Rxc6
22 Nd4 … Rc7
23 f5 … Ne4
24 Qe1 … exf5
25 Nxf5 … a3
26 Ne3 … Rc5
27 Rd4 … axb2
28 Nxd5 … b3
29 Nb4 … Nc3+
30 Kxb2 … Ra8
31 Rxc3 … Qa3+
32 Ka1 … Rxc3
33 Qd2 … h6
34 e6 … bxc2
35 exf7+ … Kh7
36 f8N+ … Kg8
37 Qxc3 … c1R+
38 Qxc1 … Qxc1#
0-1

Julius Brenzaida · April 14, 2001, 06:55

quote:

Originally posted by Smash on 04-13-2001 03:53 AM
I think maybe 23.f5 could be replaced with Qe1 and a3.The impending attack was building.Counter attack was aggressive but something needed to be done on the other side of the board.

I don't know it if would have helped that much. In my opinion, 20 Qg3 was THE mistake, after that I gain time for my knight to reach e4, the g pawn can't advance and I can't see what the rook does on h3. I will post some more analysis of the game probably on monday. But until the 20th move, I was not very satisfied of my position ...

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe

Smash · April 14, 2001, 13:14

yes.I was looking at 20.Nxc6 then CR moved so I stopped.I can see what he was steering for but it needed more prep and to watch the kingside.

Carolus Rex · April 16, 2001, 04:34

Been off-line during Easter. I will also post some more thoughts about the game, but it will have to be tomorrow (earliest).

Not sure that 20 Qg3 was The Big Mistake, but maybe it was too early. Same with 23 f5, too early?

The rook in h3 was supposed to help defend my queen side, but then I put the knight on e3 (26 Ne3)...

Carolus

Smash · April 16, 2001, 13:59

I think it is time for Julius to come clean.

what is your FIDE rating?
do you have a title?IM for instance?

Kautilya · April 16, 2001, 19:54

Haven't followed the game but since I have a bunch of chess players here I thought I would ask: have you played Chessmaster8000. Are the top levels really grandmaster level or is that just hype?

Ribannah · April 17, 2001, 00:13

Is that a computer, or a website? I know that some of the top-level grandmasters occasionally play on the Internet, but I don't know where ....

As for computers, if you understand their limitations, you still don't need to be a grandmaster to beat them. On the other hand, grandmasters who don't adept get beaten by the best computer programs.

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If you have no feet, don't walk on fire
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Carolus Rex · April 17, 2001, 02:10

quote:

Originally posted by Smash on 04-16-2001 01:59 PM
I think it is time for Julius to come clean.

what is your FIDE rating?
do you have a title?IM for instance?

Heh, heh, heh...

I still go with my first (humble) call: The Beast of Baku!

And I Almost Lived Through 40 Moves Against The Beast!!!

Carolus

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Carolus Rex · April 17, 2001, 19:21

BTW Julius, what would you have played against 33 Qb1 (instead of 33 Qd2)?

Carolus

Carolus Rex · April 21, 2001, 10:30

Maestro?

Carolus

Kautilya · April 21, 2001, 11:30

Ribannah,
It's a computer programme, I think the best selling PC chess game. Anyway the question about the highest level is a bit moot since I have a long way to go before I get there.

Julius Brenzaida · April 22, 2001, 18:18

quote:

Originally posted by Carolus Rex on 04-21-2001 10:30 AM
Maestro?

Sorry, I'm just back from a week vacation in my beloved mountains.
On 33 Qb1, I would have played 33 Rac8 and white is virtually on zugzwang. I can take on c2 at leisure or make the queen manoeuver Qa3-a5-e5 with a deadly discover check ... At this point the game was definitely lost !

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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe
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kcbob · April 25, 2001, 13:31

Hi, everyone. Sorry I've been away but they tightened the screws on us at work for awhile.

Congrats, Julius.

And to answer the question posed above, now we know where Bobby Fisher has been hiding.

Smash · April 26, 2001, 01:43

Hey kcbob.Thought we lost you in the great server upgrade thingy.I was trying to pry a rating out of Julius but he casually avoided it with distraction.Always the tactician.Carolus was doing pretty good...until he lost that is.Methinks Mr Brenzaida may be pushing wood on another level completely.He really hasn't had a hint of real trouble...kinda like how a cat plays with a mouse before......

maybe we need to have a cooperation game.Julius vs the World

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Carolus Rex · April 26, 2001, 05:11

Smash, check this out and do your duty or I will haunt you in your dreams!

http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum2/HTML/002175.html?9

Carolus

Carolus Rex · April 26, 2001, 05:15

kcbob, good to have you back!

Julius, I will post some thoughts about the game when my life is less busy. Interesting to hear that you were not satisfied with your position after 20 moves (I think?). I have some other questions/suggestions, but too little time right now.

In the mean time, who's next?

Carolus

rwprice · April 27, 2001, 17:27

I read over your notes about your chess game, and I have a question for you. Obviously, since you're posting on this board, you must be Civ2 players, but also Chess players. What is your opinion of Civ2 vs. Chess? I am a Chess fan as well, and I often think that Civ2 seems a little pointless as I move units around on the map. I know I just need to understand Civ2 better (I'm new at it), but in Chess, at least I can see the point of the movements. What do you prefer to play? I realize that you probably play both games, but which do you prefer?

Ken Hinds · April 27, 2001, 18:58

Rwprice,

You bring up a very difficult question to answer. I don't really have a preference as such. Which will I play when I should be doing something "really worthwhile"? Civ II. Which am I somewhat addicted to? Civ II again. Which will suck up all my concentration to the exclusion of all else, food, sleep, etc., until the game is over? Chess, if it is an over the board tournament game. Which do I spend a lot of non-playing time on? Neither.

While this probably won't be a satisfactory answer, it's the best I can give you.

Ken