Spring Storms Have Arrived!

Berzerker · March 14, 2001, 23:24

Anyone living in the American midwest/south knows what happens this time of year. STORMS and power failures, so if you're playing one of us less than fortunate souls and we disappear just like that...well, you'll know at least one possibility. God, we need the rain but this time of the year sucks. Don't leave just yet Old Man Winter

Berzerker · March 15, 2001, 14:31

Umm-kay?

rah · March 15, 2001, 14:48

OK.
We are used to you announcing that storms are in your area and that your connection may drop.
And we are pleased to announce that you also do it when you're ahead.

RAH
I live in the midwest but my cable connection has proven to be stable even during storms. Knock on wood.

rah · March 15, 2001, 14:51

Gee, I guess it's easy to spot two people that are getting tired of being Kings.

RAH
God, it's tough when you don't spam.
But I know all of our posts have had CONTENT

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excluding this one, of course.

Bird · March 15, 2001, 16:03

LOL, I'm still a Prince. Maybe those of us who only post content should spam the hell our of this thread. Make Ming pay attention over here too.

BTW, Berz, your post wasn't ignored. It's kind of hard to add much to it, however.

rah · March 15, 2001, 16:26

Naw, ming pays attention to MP, we'd have to do it in CIV II...... TOT,Creation,or Mac.

Those he doesn't pay as much attention to.

RAH
And I guess posting it here will tip him off.

Bird · March 15, 2001, 16:38

Good point.

drake · March 15, 2001, 17:02

You're going to let a little tornado get in the way of civ?! C'mon

finbar · March 15, 2001, 20:33

Gee. Meteorological spam. How novel.

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Epik · March 15, 2001, 20:45

And the weather in Columbus Ohio is:
http://www.weather.com/weather/local/43228

rah · March 15, 2001, 21:34

epik, lol

Finbar, you have to forgive us, we're kinda new at this spam stuff.
We're not experts like your emperorness.

You could use this thread to tell us the settings you guys play. But what I'm most interested in is how you guy make simul work... We always have arguments, so we've not used it much.

RAH

finbar · March 15, 2001, 22:11

Flattery will get you everywhere, rah.

Depending on available numbers, we normally play 1x1x, medium map, with a couple of AIs for people who want to join later. If we have 4 or 5 starters, we'll do away with the AI. We've played some 2x prod, but 1x seems to be the preference. We never play 2x movement.

Simul? It's worked a treat for us, really speeding up games. It has only brought about tears and tantrums when war reared its ugly head. Deity preferred turn-based war, the rest of us thought we should stay with simul. The important point was that none of us had fought a war under simul conditions. Deity's objections were based on anticipated problems. Horse argues that the so-called host advantage is countered by other factors. He also argues, I think reasonably, that the confusion and chaos of simul war would reflect the confusion and chaos of real war. All of that said, we've never actually fought a war under simul conditions.

The only other downside of simul we've discovered is the the problem of booted players re-entering the game.

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rah · March 16, 2001, 01:00

Thanks,
I do agree partially about chaos in war.
But the problem we were running into was that the host would wait until the last minute to move so he would effectively get two turns without anybody else being able to respond. Then when people starting figuring that out, it turned into a game of chicken to see who would move last. As a result, the turns started taking longer and the time savings started to diminish. Turn based for wars would be the best of both worlds, but that doesn't take care of all the small 1 unit on 1 unit skirmishes. Did you guys experiment with move by color for the small skirmishes? and if you did, how did you handle 2 movement point units vs 1 movement point units?

We've spent so much time and effort to successfully minimize any arguements that we hated see them creep back into the game.

RAH

Has anyone out there fought a two front war in simul? (during the same turn)

Bird · March 16, 2001, 01:26

Damn, rah, you are a miserable failure at spam.

Alas, alack, forever a prince.

March 16, 2001, 02:29

Ming is the master of spam, doesn't he give you guys tips?

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finbar · March 16, 2001, 06:36

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But the problem we were running into was that the host would wait until the last minute to move so he would effectively get two turns without anybody else being able to respond. Then when people starting figuring that out, it turned into a game of chicken to see who would move last. As a result, the turns started taking longer and the time savings started to diminish. Turn based for wars would be the best of both worlds, but that doesn't take care of all the small 1 unit on 1 unit skirmishes. Did you guys experiment with move by color for the small skirmishes? and if you did, how did you handle 2 movement point units vs 1 movement point units?

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As I said, we've never actually fought under the simul system. The first time the situation arose, the game paused while the issue was debated, it turned into a slanging match - you've read Horse's invective, you would have some idea of the quality of the debate - and everyone quit and went to bed sulking. We haven't yet revisted the game for various reasons.

I can see the problem with every player waiting to be the last to play. What a disaster.

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Hydey · March 16, 2001, 08:04

We are having a ripper storm tonight, my dog is SHlTing itself.

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March 16, 2001, 09:02

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I can see the problem with every player waiting to be the last to play. What a disaster.

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Exactly what you-know-who was doing tonight when he hosted.

But I don't think moving last is the advantage its cracked up to be if you think it through.

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rah · March 16, 2001, 09:36

If you are the host it is.

RAH

Better Bird?

Ming · March 16, 2001, 10:00

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Ming is the master of spam, doesn't he give you guys tips?

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Nahhh... I just tell people to read your posts

Nasty storm here this morning. The snow started coming down right at the begining of the morning rush hour. Timing is everything.

Berzerker · March 16, 2001, 20:46

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Lol...

Epik · March 16, 2001, 20:52

And the weather in Berzerker's Topeka is:
http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USKS0571

Hydey · March 17, 2001, 06:57

The Hydey house was without power for 9 hours today thanks to the bloody storms.

I blame Deity for it as it is rumoured that he farted in my general direction.

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Bird · March 17, 2001, 11:31

And smells of elderberries,

Much better, rah.

Makeo · March 17, 2001, 15:34

We finally had our first spring storm here in Breckenridge. We got about a foot of snow in a couple of hours, and me and my five year old students skied through it all.

Hopefully we will get lots more.

rah · March 17, 2001, 17:05

We got about 5 inches of snow yesterday. (right after the golf courses opened)

Most of it has already melted

Hopefully we won't get any more.

RAH
still too much content.