Tales from the New Millennium European Diplomatic Front - Page 3

February 16, 2001, 02:30

Sorry Josef

But....

You've got all Europe to conquer, errr,I mean settle

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Curumbor Elendil · February 16, 2001, 10:05

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Sorry Josef

But....
You've got all Europe to conquer, errr,I mean settle

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Hmph. Now how much of that is actually settled, as opposed to just claimed?

The British already have two overseas colonies...

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February 16, 2001, 17:17

Josef of the Austrians, Boudicca has established one city already, another is 2 turns away, followeed by another 3 within a very short space of time.
How much has Josef settled?
And how much is he claiming?
Draw a map?
Boudicca invites you to a parley, maybe with the French and Romans who have a vested strategic interest in this land.
The French and Brits are allied so it makes sense for us to settle adjacent lands but I'm surprised that the Romans did not want some of this land?
Boudicca's secret plan to colonise Africa has long been known by them.

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Curumbor Elendil · February 16, 2001, 17:36

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Josef of the Austrians, Boudicca has established one city already, another is 2 turns away, followeed by another 3 within a very short space of time.
How much has Josef settled?
And how much is he claiming?

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I'm about to establish my first city. I only want a small space, enough for about 4 cities. That area the British are claiming is large enough to fit 10 cities!

It's difficult for me to draw a map as yet as I'm not sure what area the Italians have already settled.

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markusf · February 19, 2001, 17:13

Since the english are being so unreasonable, it has been decided that africa and spain are now officially part of the turk empire. Any counter claims to to that land are hereby null and void. Any attempt to change this "fact" will be meet with the imperial turkish army.
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Curumbor Elendil · February 19, 2001, 19:04

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Since the english are being so unreasonable, it has been decided that africa and spain are now officially part of the turk empire. Any counter claims to to that land are hereby null and void. Any attempt to change this "fact" will be meet with the imperial turkish army.
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Is this a joke??

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Curumbor Elendil · February 19, 2001, 19:09

His Majesty Franz Josef has composed a map of the Austro-Hungarian claim in Africa. Although the territorial claim appears significant, the terrain is so poor that the area can support at the very most four cities, as opposed to six cities for the British and Italian portions to the west and east (part of the Italian portion has been cut off from this map).

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markusf · February 20, 2001, 00:16

nope, the second the english build leos, we declare war.

February 20, 2001, 06:00

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His Majesty Franz Josef has composed a map of the Austro-Hungarian claim in Africa. Although the territorial claim appears significant, the terrain is so poor that the area can support at the very most four cities, as opposed to six cities for the British and Italian portions to the west and east (part of the Italian portion has been cut off from this map).

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His Majesty Franz Josef pleases Queen Boudicca immensely...
The Austrian map is extremely reasonable.
Queen Boudicca had claimed Africa in the belief that other nations would not desire such poor land. Given the intention of the Italians and Austrians to settle Africa she is delighted to share it and offers a mutual co-operation pact to ensure security in these colonies.
Are the Italians happy with this map?

As for Leo's, well, the poor Brits have but one Wonder, whilst the Turks have three. This is more than anyone else. And by expressing an aggressive stance and threatening war on this matter is rather an encouragement to Boudicca to build Leos!

Boudicca calls on the world powers to take heed of the spoilt behaviour of the unstable Turkish leader..... LOL

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finbar · February 20, 2001, 18:46

Ever considered a career in graffiti art, Markus?

That aside, this is about the first time I've seen the (as it were) upgraded graphics in this game. Really neat whales and big brown hairy things. If only I could see them on a weekly basis.

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Curumbor Elendil · February 20, 2001, 23:57

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Ever considered a career in graffiti art, Markus?

That aside, this is about the first time I've seen the (as it were) upgraded graphics in this game. Really neat whales and big brown hairy things. If only I could see them on a weekly basis.

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Those are actually Markus' graphics.

My terrain graphics are exactly the same as the originals except that I replaced the bison with a horse, since Europe doesn't have bison.

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finbar · February 21, 2001, 00:49

Not bison, per se, but what about blokes with hairy backs?

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markusf · February 21, 2001, 01:24

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OzzyKP · February 21, 2001, 03:44

Le Figaro
1 Franc
260 AD

TOP STORIES
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KING OZZY I PASSES AWAY, SON OZZY II ASCENDS TO THRONE.

In a ceremony full of pomp and paegentry Ozzy II was crowned King of France by Cardinal Richeleau last evening at St. Mary's church in Paris. In a move seen to be an overture to the new Christian majority in the nation King Ozzy II becomes the first monarch of France crowned in a Christian ceremony.

When asked for a comment King Ozzy told Le Figaro that "Since the arrival of Christianity and rapid conversion of the populus to this new religion it was only prudent to usher in the new age with an action to address the changing times."

Spokesmen for the Pagan Coalition condemned the action, calling King Ozzy a traitor to traditional French Pagan values.

Church officials responded declaring the Old Guard a bunch of hypocrites whose false belief in Pagan idolotry has misled the nation down a path of immorality and human desire. Vowing with the new alliance between Church and state to usher in a new liberal age of justice and morality in a declining state.

In King Ozzy's speech to the French nobles upon his corination he spoke of his Father and his vision of greatness. The new King pledged to allieviate the swelling French cities with new settlements in Switzerland, Espana and in the Rhone river valley. He vowed a period of expansion and continued growth for the emerging French people. Boasting reforms in science and building during his father's reign Ozzy II pledged to continue his father's reforms and "stride confidently along the path to greatness."

OTHER NEWS
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NOTRE DAME CATHEDRAL BEGUN IN PARIS

King Ozzy II's first official action was to deliver a speech at the ground breaking of the new Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Ambitiously described as a "testiment to French society, a monument that will one day be a symbol of the French, and will be a beacon of French culture and faith for centuries to come."

DEAL SECURES SWITZERLAND

The area known as Switzerland which was promised by treaty with the Germans came into question last month as expanding Austrians prepared to settle in this region. After some courteous negotiations this historic French land was assured to them after striking a deal with the Austrians agreeable to both sides.

PARIS DECLARED MOST POPULOUS CITY IN EUROPE

Reports from around the continent indicate that the French capitol city is the largest, most populous in the civilized world. Mayor Jean Tiberi proudly made the announcement to a gathered crowd in Paris this morning. Saying, "This title gives Paris a special place among the great cities of the world. While not as important an achievement as other great cities such as Adapazari's collection of amazing landmarks or even Budapest's finely painted chapel, this special honor is important for developing the character of the city." Also notes Tiberi, "this population distinction highlights further King Ozzy's expansion proposal, calling attention to the flood of people crowding Parisian streets and the need for further settlements."

February 21, 2001, 05:08

ozzy:
"this population distinction highlights further King Ozzy's expansion proposal, calling attention to the flood of people crowding Parisian streets and the need for further settlements."
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Well, ya betta get ya arse inta Spain real bloody quick mate

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Queen Boudicca of the Britons, along with other respectable nations of the world, has left Spain for French conquest..... it appears not all nations are respecting this

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February 21, 2001, 06:43

Boudicca does not see the Turks on this map...

If Markus Turkus had been a bit quicker he may have claimed some of Africa, as the Austrians have done in a most statesman-like manner.
Markus appears to be recognising the territorial claims of Queen Boudicca in Porta and Africa as well as the claims of the Austrians and Italians... BUT he is trampling on French claims. This is unacceptable to the world community, Boudicca believes.

Beware the wrath of Boudicca or Boadicea as she became known after laying waste to her enemies

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markusf · February 21, 2001, 14:57

It has been rumored that the english go well with a side dish of salad. Perhaps deep fried english, served with whine will feed the hungry Cannibal-Africa liberation division. We can only hope there are enough english cities to feed all the troops.

OzzyKP · February 21, 2001, 21:31

Open letter from King Ozzy II to all nations

It has come to attention of the French monarchy that the historic claim that the Kingdom of France hold over the territory known as Spain is being called into question by aggressive claims of a particular foreign power. The rights to this land extend from long held treaties with multiple powers, assuring this region of the continent safe for French colonization and settlement.

This area has been long kept secure for French expansion, and due to the current over crowding in the French motherland this land is in desperate need. An initiative fully supported by my government to finally settle this unused portion of land is currently underway and within a few short years this wild land will be tamed by intrepid French pioneers.

It is clear to my nation that the Turkish claim is an action of DIRECT HOSTILITY. Treaties are made and agreed upon all over Europe, and currently the entire continent is carved up and promised to the member nations. While it seems obvious that not all 7 nations need to explicitly agree to every deal struck it should be equally obvious that all non-local powers with no vested interest in a deal made far from their borders have no claim to such treatied property. Therefore the Turks CANNOT and DO NOT have any claim whatsoever to the region of Spain considering it is claimed under treaty by France.

It cannot be stressed enough the seriousness of the Turkish claim. Any settlements by the Turkish nation in land under treaty to France without the explicit approval of France and her allies will be regarded as an act of War.

This issue is of utmost importance, not only to France and its allies but to the rest of Europe as well. As rational leaders we all want peace for our nations, any disruption of the current state of peace has dire implications for the rest of the world, as wars tend to spread. The apparent disregard the Turks have shown for existing treaties again poses negative implications for other nations, if a rogue state has been shown not respect existing treaties and land agreements there is no reason for any treaty around the globe to have any special significance for such a nation. Agreements between all nations whether close by with Austria-Hungary and Russia or far away in the Scandinavia region between Britain and Germany, ALL treaties are at risk if we allow an infringement upon one current treaty.

I, King Ozzy II, call upon the continent to publicly condemn the hostile Turkish action and make it clear that any attempts to seize or settle land promised another nation will be dealt with harshly by the European community.

Signed,

King Ozzy II of France

OzzyKP · February 21, 2001, 21:51

After extensive research famous French cartographer, Randel McNalleau has complied the first political map of the continent.

Solid areas are current settlements of each nation.

Striped areas are areas claimed by each nation.

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OzzyKP · February 21, 2001, 21:52

double post, oops, i can never get these darn images to work.
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Curumbor Elendil · February 22, 2001, 01:39

That map isn't very accurate, but it does give a good general impression of the state of things.

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markusf · February 22, 2001, 01:50

should be noted those 2 islands between italy and turkey belong to turkey. incase anyone gets any funny ideas.

finbar · February 22, 2001, 02:31

And Sardinia and Corsica are, obviously, Italian.

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markusf · February 22, 2001, 03:20

no they are french

OzzyKP · February 22, 2001, 03:29

Well it seems we've got a bunch of critics in the game. Well i'm working on another map to reflect changes after this session, i'm also going to be a bit more stringent than last time, last time i took more liberties and filled in more space, so expect some countries to loose some land in the next version. I'll also put in the islands and other areas you all suggest.

Since i'm anal and i like doing these things, i'll just do a map after every session. One thing i had wanted to do for awhile is get a whole string of these things and at the end of the game create an animation like they had at the end of civ 1, that'd be great i think.

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Berzerker · February 22, 2001, 06:44

The German Kaiser expresses his regrets for not attending this forum on a more regular basis to share the desires and hopes of the German people with the peoples of Europe.

Good news! The people of Jutland have built a state-of-the-art astronomical observatory to study the vault of Heaven. Johannes Kepler has accepted the Kaiser's offer to chart the solar system and all objects with a magnitude greater than 5 on the famous scale bearing his name.

Our western neighbors, the English, and the German people have agreed to a highly profitable free trade agreement. Our allies to the south, the Austrians, have also accelerated trade with the German people.

Have a nice day

Big Lewi · February 22, 2001, 06:58

The the ghost of the most Christian Sun King, Louis XIV of France comes back to haunt the Palace of Versailles.

I falsley believed that the great King Louis would live forever, but alas...my life was cut short thanks to a nasty case of syphylis contracted from one of my chamber maidens. It's always the pretty ones.....

Luckily, the Bourbon dynasty was successfully continued from my son Ozzy I to my grandson Ozzy II. Receive my blessing and continue the Bourbon legacy with unhampered expansion and prosperity. The spirit of Louis XIV will be with France always as a monument to the French nation state as well as a warning to others of the ills of polygamy.

Leave those wenches alone my boy and keep your mind on the task of state craft. Keep an eye on those infidel Turks, I attempted to establish cordial relations with those unworthy dogs but it is obvious that they plot against the kingdom of France.

Remember who your friends are King Ozzy II of France. The British and the Italians should give you no trouble, I have always had pleasant and constructive relations with these peoples.

Make me proud young Ozzy II! May the spirit of Louis be with you!

finbar · February 22, 2001, 08:20

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In the real world? Corsica has been French since the 18th century. Before that, it passed through lots of hands, including Italian. Sardinia has been through as many hands. In the 6th Century it was part of the Byzantine empire. It later passed through Spanish and French hands. It's been Italian since very early in the 18th century.

In our civ world? They're Italian.

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OzzyKP · February 22, 2001, 17:00

The famous French cartographer, Randel McNalleau has updated his political map of the world to reflect recent changes and complaints of nations.

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Curumbor Elendil · February 22, 2001, 17:02

Taken from "Badecker's History of the Austrian Civilization"

During the period 260-560 the Austro-Hungarian Empire expanded rapidly. From twenty regions the empire expanded to twenty-seven during this period (including the new overseas colony in Algeria). The regions remained individually autonomous, in order that the constituent imperial minorities (Slavs and Magyars) would not seek their complete independence. Indeed, the Magyars were well integrated into the empire at this time, as the greatest city of the empire was in fact Budapest, even though Vienna was the capital.

All this was to change, however. In 554 AD insurgents under the influence of democratic ideas from Germany seized control of the region of Budapest and proclaimed a "Declaration of the Rights of Man," initiating a tumultuous Reign of Terror through the whole empire. Meanwhile, the knowledge of economic science had made headway in Austrian schools due to the influence of the Turks.

The Golden Age of the Austro-Hungarian Empire was over, as the last monarch, Franz Josef, was seized in Vienna and executed. Since 560 AD, the Austro-Hungarian civilization has been under the influence of Jacobinism, for better or for worse.

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