Diplogame faq and multiplayer reference guide - Page 2

OzzyKP · April 7, 2001, 00:56

too bad that game fell through.

The Capo · April 11, 2001, 19:39

We need some type of Diplogamer community, its hard to find good diplogamers especially when you need subs or replacements, so I think we should start thinking about that...

GNGSpam · April 12, 2001, 00:56

HOTW, to me, epitomizes what a diplogame should embody.

Diplogames should center around Politics. While most games turn into lessons in game mechanics, with super growth strategy forumlas, and trade bug manipulation equations, the Diplogame relies on human interaction, through diplomacy, politics, even out and out propaganda.

However, War is an extension of Politics. Its also a natrual occurance between peoples. War exists in the real world, it is impractical to not expect it to happen in a diplogame. To take this one step further, War has occured due to simple naked aggression. If you dont want war in your diplogame, use diplomacy to keep it out. Build a coalition to stop the people who use naked aggression. America did that in WW2, why cant we do it in a diplogame?

Im not a war monger, but I do think its a vital aspect of human interaction, and has been for eons. Lets not ignore it.

OzzyKP · August 29, 2001, 19:58

Ok all you pretenders to the Diplogaming throne. Here is your history. Read up and be inspired by the great games gone by and the great people of the past. Don't be too awestruck though, new good people have come along.

If HOTW3 is going to be as great a game as the one i proposed in November 2000 (scroll up) we need to pick the best of the best, and follow CapTVK's FAQ like Gospel (with obvious updates for the new Civ3 game and new insights)

Rasputin · August 31, 2001, 03:41

Hopefully the fact we played HOTW2 on a large map shows that this is possible, the original FAQ suggests a smaller world, I hope for an even bigger map in Civ 3 HOTW3.....

CapTVK · September 6, 2001, 18:08

Quote:

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Ok all you pretenders to the Diplogaming throne. Here is your history. Read up and be inspired by the great games gone by and the great people of the past. Don't be too awestruck though, new good people have come along.

If HOTW3 is going to be as great a game as the one i proposed in November 2000 (scroll up) we need to pick the best of the best, and follow CapTVK's FAQ like Gospel (with obvious updates for the new Civ3 game and new insights)

Just dropped by to say that an updated FAQ is upcoming (tracking down/checking old/new links, plus a few updates). It will probably be the final one related to Civ2MP before Civ3 comes out.
I'm a bit swamped at work so unfortunately I can only work at it during the weekends. Add to that the Apolyton unit project for Freeciv and time becomes even scarcer than uranium as a trade resource in Civ2.

But rest is assured, an updated FAQ, is in the works!

OzzyKP · October 25, 2001, 18:00

Ok folks, I'm adding some of my work to CapTVK's Diplo FAQ we seem to be the two people with an interest in Diplogame history. I've started working on game summeries. Right now i have the title, the dates played, the civs involved and who was in control of those civs. For some i've included links. When I am once again bored and stupid enough to waste an entire day looking through the forums i'll add details and descriptions for each game. Whether it was finished or not, what map it was played on, the settings, a brief outline of what happened in each game. There are a few i've left out I'm sure. I didn't put HOTW2 in there yet but of course I will, and I can't find the first thread for the Monday Night Diplomatic Game.

The dates are estimations based on the first post in the thread and the last post. Some games however take a few weeks to set up so i date those from the time the game actually started, the first story post. Some were hard to tell when they ended as people tried to hang on to a fizzling game, I did my best be sure to correct me if you can.

I only included the names of people who seemed to me to be permanent or semi-permanent players. Subs weren't included. I figure having a listing like this helps us identify who played in what games and what their diplo history was. I had mistakenly thought Rasputin was new at diplogames but he has been around for a while. Any ways here is the partial work in progress list. Please correct me if you can.

Tales from the diplomatic front
May 8, 1999 - June 19, 1999
Egyptians - Glohithia
Zulus - John Barbarossa
America - Aburtt
India - Nappy, bizzaro
Russia - Cromwell, Frank Johnson
English - Bizarro, Martin Guerre
Germans - AI (killed very early by Russia)

Tales from the Diplomatic Front II (in 3D-Dolby Stereo) 
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1450
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1449
May 18, 1999 - November 30, 1999
Vikings - KenThur
Japanese - Grau Geist
Croatians (Aztecs) - Smartfart, Nappy
Chinese - Geronimo, Martin Guerre, Pseudo
English - Gideon, CapTVK
Russians - pastieman, Superstar
Sioux - AI, Takeshi, Colon, AI, Cavebear

European Tales from the diplomatic front
July 3, 1999 - July 25, 1999
Germany -Cybershy
France - Martin Guerre
Britain - Frank Johnson
Russia - John Barbarossa
Spain - Glohithia
Italy - Colon, Blue Waldo, SmartFart
Turkey - Takeshi

Tales from the Diplomatic Front IV 
February 13, 2000 - March 26, 2000
Celts - Curumbor Elendil
Indians - Empress, many subs, AI
Chinese - Frank Johnson
Deitians (Germans) - Deity
Aztecs - Scotty, Rasputin
Babylonians - ?
Carthaginians - Wezil

Tales from the Diplomatic Front VI 
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1007
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1053
March 26, 2000 - August 12, 2000
Mad Monks - Rasputin
Texans (Americans) - Frank Johnson
Fountinia - Empress
The Empire (Spanish) - Visaggio
Deitians (Germans) - Deity
Romans - Matthew
Sioux - Hydey

Tales from the Diplomatic Front V
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1220
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1256
March 30, 2000 - November 25, 2000
Chinese - Frank Johnson
MLB (Carthiginians) - War4ever, Hydey, carved up by world & eliminated
Libertarians (Indians)- Curumbor Elendil
Owls (Egyptions) - Suas, J23SE
Japanese - Berzerker
Falcons (Vikings) - Finbar
Romans - Slowwhand, carved up by world & eliminated

Tales from the Diplomatic Front VII
May 29, 2000 - June 7, 2000
Iberians - Capo
Americans - JDI_Falcon
English - Common Terry, berzerker, Gjost
Japanese - Krec, Moker, RocMaster
Metalheads - OzzyKP
Russians - Kasparov, Lor Ty
Germans - The Nothing

Tales from the Diplomatic Front IX...... 
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1036
June 13, 2000 - July 5, 2000
English - common_terry
Romans - Capo
Sioux - Running Water
Lunian - Ithil
Polish - Casimir the Great, Mr Dimbleby
Zulu - JDI_Falcon

Tales from the Diplomatic Front X 
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1089
July 17, 2000 - August 7, 2000
Sioux - SuperSneak, Cavebear
Lorien - Empress
Aztecs - SmartFart, Darkstorm
Japanese - Berzerker
English - Frank Johnson
Germans - Markus

Tales from the European Front I
October 1, 2000 - January 14, 2001
Italians - Capo, C0ckney, SunTzu
Spanish - Moker
Hungarians - OzzyKP
French - JDI_Falcon
Germans - Berzerker
Russians - kent-jo, Mika
England - Mr Dimbleby, Mindfields

Tales from the Ultimate Diplomatic Front I
October 25, 2000 - January 16, 2001
Mongols - Drake
Indians - GNGSpam, SunTzu
Egyptians - Easthaven, ml_4da3
Europeans - Capo
Brazil - AI
Americans - Mr Dimbleby
Canadians - AI

Cavebear Diplo Game
January 22, 2001 - March 8, 2001
Tuatha De Dannan - Slowwhand, Species
English - CapTVK
Japanese - Boann
Americans - Cavebear
Mongols - War4ever
Celts - absurddoctor, sekong
Borg - Epik

Tales from the New Millennium European Diplomatic Front
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1478
January 22, 2001 - April 5, 2001
Austrians - Curumbor Elendil
British - Deity
Russians - Crustacian
French - Atomic Dogg, OzzyKP
Italians - finbar
Germans - Berzerker
Turks - Markus

History of the World II
February 16, 2001 - November 15, 2001
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1487
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=1550
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=19876
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=22436
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=25296
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=31656
Adriatic League - The Capo
Mali - GNGSpam, sekong, GNGSpam, Belinda
Zulus - Drake
Israelites - Dimbleby, Sun Tzu, Rasputin, OzzyKP, Rasputin
Chinese - AI, Prometheus
Mongolia - War4Ever, sekong, Easthaven, Dangime, OzzyKP
Australians - Deity
(With Sun Tzu playing minor roles in nearly all civs)

Tales From Gaia
October 23, 2001 - December 20, 2001
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=30189
Chiraqua - Belinda
Arabs - Drake
Freedonians - Chris
English - rridd
Celts - Boann

Saturday Night (USA) Diplo Game
January 12, 2002 - March 12, 2002
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=39264
Americans - Berzerker
Cantonese - Frank Johnson
Deitcians - Deity
Aztecs - Makeo
Carthaginians - Cannon Fodder
Ukranians - Hydey
Atlanteans - OzzyKP, Winzity

History Of The World III
February 28, 2002 - April 10, 2002
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=43575
Arabs - OzzyKP
Germans - Chris
Russians - Prometheus
Chinese - Frank Johnson
Indians - Dank, Zylka
Amazulu - Kuja, Berzerker

Nap Bonaparte · October 25, 2001, 22:04

Actually Ozzy, your list doesnt include the 1st diplo game to be played virtually to the finish....." Open Letter to all Nations" thread by Frankdogg. This was a 2x1x game played during May ,June, and July 1999 and included modern naval and ground combat with a massive nuclear exchange at the end. The cool thing about this game was that it was never intended to be a diplo game, but it had the most intense, nail biting, edge of your seat global stratigizing , warmongering and negotiating of any of the 3 "diplo" games(or any other 7 player game) that Ive been involved in.

deity · October 26, 2001, 02:16

I really appreciate it.
Thankyou ozzy and Cap.
It is very interesting, please keep up the GREAT work!!

Prometheus · October 29, 2001, 15:04

Perhaps one of you Diplo game gurus could explain something to me….

Why does the game always end when there is a spaceship?

It doesn’t make sense to me…. If someone was to send colonists to a far off distance planet it really does not effect the diplo part of the game… there is still millions of people on earth, the 40,000 or so people you send off are rather isolated, and have no real bearing on game play, besides the fact someone did it. I don’t understand how this ends the game and brings the end to all life on earth.

Is it just because there is no other place to end it? Sorry that just seems silly to me….

I mean they had to end it in SP games somehow besides world domination, but if Diplo is suppose to be unique and not held to in game rules…. Anyhow maybe someone can explain it to me….

drake · October 29, 2001, 15:45

I sure dont get it pro....I always thought AC was quite a ridiculous end game scenario.

Rasputin · October 30, 2001, 01:45

can you continue on past Alpha landing, what happens next... can we continue to paly the same game forever ??? i know the game mentions sometihng about continuin but no score increase, would this be a consideration for Diplo games ... if the SS doesnt end game, why bother having it ???

OzzyKP · March 24, 2002, 16:07

Since everyone seems to want to play in a Diplogame now-a-days and since few people have a good understanding of what exactly a diplogame is (including those who are starting them) I figure now is a good time to bump once again the legendary Diplogame FAQ.

Read and enjoy.

Cap, I think an update is in order btw. HOTW2 really added a lot to the genre, and I think HOTW3 is now adding an enormous amount of technical innovation to diplogaming.

winzity · April 16, 2002, 11:35

Can't Apolyton made links to these kind of documents....?

It makes no sense that they are falling of the forum!

winzity · April 28, 2002, 15:08

This thread is good for newbies in MP, use it guys.
I have got a lot of questions about it so I post up this thread now,
and made links to it in the Euro game threads.