No Legion!!!

Stratesford · November 13, 2000, 04:59

Oh no this is terrible, there's no legion!
Why did they replace the legion with the samurai!
C'mon guys you know a Centurion can kick a Samurai's a$$.

Please tell me this is not true, I've loved legions since the original civ; cheap, ok attack. But now they are gone. The romans didin't conquer the meditteranean with samurais. Why... why...

Stratesford · November 13, 2000, 05:03

And i cannot prettend the samurai is a legion, it's just not right!!!

Tiberius · November 13, 2000, 06:15

No Legions ????

Now, this is really, really stupid!

So, the romans are attacking now with samurais ???????
I never heard a stupidity that even come close to this

Stratesford · November 13, 2000, 06:47

With legons gone out of ctp2, I think i'll have to play Caesar 3 or aoe to see some REAL ancient infantry in action (yeah cuz' samurai suck)

" FUR ROMA "

- for rome

Nsae Comp · November 13, 2000, 08:07

I am sure they have there reasons.
By the way with what should play the chinese, the japenes, the Korean and the mongole Civ's. With Legions or Knights ?????

Atahualpa · November 13, 2000, 08:27

so what?

Ata

aCa · November 13, 2000, 09:27

quote:

Originally posted by Stratesford on 11-13-2000 03:59 AM

Oh no this is terrible, there's no legion!

LOL..... who cares ...

Pintello · November 13, 2000, 09:41

Hi Guys,

If you are really upset about this, take the sprite for the Legion out of CTP and replace the Samurai Sprite in CTP 2 with it. Then change the name in the Uniticon.txt file. If you leave it with the same name in the Units.txt file, you will not even have to change it in all the AI files. Even if they do not use the same file names in CTP 2, they will still have files that have the same functions and can accordingly be edited.

Yeesh, the things you guys get all worked up about!

Timothy Pintello

Tiberius · November 13, 2000, 10:07

quote:

Originally posted by Atahualpa on 11-13-2000 07:27 AM
so what?
Ata

I agree that more important is the gameplay. Then why do I care? Because Civ (any Civ) is supposed to be a history simulation/strategy game, and all the historically important units should be in the game, thet's why! Were the legions important in history? Certainly. It's not about the name: "legions", but the revolutionary organization of an army the romans discovered (or at least used with succes for the first time). Romans wouldn't conquer that much without legions, and the roman empire influenced the history of at least half of Europe. I think that's important.

Atahualpa · November 13, 2000, 10:13

Tiberius: Thats why CtP2 is soo customizable! Do as Pintello suggests and I hope you will be fine then.

Ata

Tiberius · November 13, 2000, 10:22

Ata, my legions will find you, wherever your castle is

Tiberius
Emperor of Rome

Post Scriptum: I don't like to customize, and certainly not graphics

Karol · November 13, 2000, 10:57

If You played Civ I & Civ II and You add some imagination for Your games (not only moving figures and watching battle screen) Legion should be important for You. It's a part of history - I mean this one started by Sid Meyer several years ago

Tiberius · November 13, 2000, 11:05

Karol, you have right.
Legions are not important for gameplay, but for the "civ" feeling.
I don't even can imagine an ancient battle without legions.
Too bad they decided this way

jbs · November 13, 2000, 11:53

This has to be hoax. Mark please confirm that this is a hoax. I find it very hard that Activision would be this dumb. And for all those who say a mod will fix it - my question is why do the customers have to fix the game. Again please confirm that this is a hoax!

November 13, 2000, 12:19

i dont have the game in front of me right now(in fact i'm in another city!) to be 100% sure, but there is only warriors and hoplite. warriors btw do have an armor, etc, it's not the simple warrior of other games(i'm talking about the looks)
see them here
http://apolyton.net/ctp2/images/view...-recapture.jpg

jbs, adding a unit you would like in a game just because of it's name, is called modification, not fixing

aCa · November 13, 2000, 12:40

quote:

Originally posted by jbs on 11-13-2000 10:53 AM
This has to be hoax. Mark please confirm that this is a hoax. I find it very hard that Activision would be this dumb. And for all those who say a mod will fix it - my question is why do the customers have to fix the game. Again please confirm that this is a hoax!

There is nothing wrong with the game just becouse they didn't include the Legion unit. This is NOT a bug. Just a decision. They can't please everyone. I personal couldn't care less if they include Legion in the game or not. It's true that Legions was important for the romans but that doesn't mean it HAVE to be in the game. They can't include ALL units that have been important over time..... that would be caos! Someone like the Legion, someone like the Samurai, someone like the Catapult. Everyone can't get what they get. If they want all the units they likethey have to fix it them self. Thats why the game is VERY customizable.

Byebye Legion .... I will not miss you.

aCa@civ

Stratesford · November 13, 2000, 16:37

My reason for being pist about taking legions away is that the legion type guy was more common thatn the samurai type guy. The legion dudes were used by romans, greeks, persians, goths, byzantines, carthaginians, and so on... The samurai were exclusive to the japs and i think korea but that was about it.
Plus the samurai were feudal lords, not soldiers like a legionaire. The samurai is not an ancient type of army like the legion, it is more modern (i think it was around 1200 a.d.), while the legion dates back to 400 b.c.

[This message has been edited by Stratesford (edited November 13, 2000).]

Ralf · November 13, 2000, 16:54

I read once in one of the bigger game-magazines about the hardships of Bullfrog developer-team, and their game "Theme Park" (the first, older version).

They was suppose to make an Japanese version of the game, but the Japanese´s INSISTED on that those little fellows running around on the screen should all have FIVE FINGERS on each hands!!!

Not just three, like in the versions exported everywhere else.

Because Japan was such a big important market for this particullar game, these guys just *have* to sit down and do something about it. And they DID!

November 13, 2000, 17:27

btw, the samurai unit existed in ctp1 as well...

Stratesford · November 13, 2000, 21:28

But it was introduced at the correct time.

Paulypav · November 13, 2000, 23:04

I have to admit I rarely used the Legion unit and I don't really have a problem with the Samurai. However, it seems pretty ridiculous that the Samurai replaces the Legion. Both were in CTP1 and fit in their space. If one of the units was to be removed from CTP2 it should have been the Samurai.

I don't usually change graphics and alter files, but I think I'll be replacing the Samurai with the Legion.

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Stratesford · November 13, 2000, 23:56

If you can still start a random map using scenario paramaters in ctp2 i'll change the graphic. I'll wont
change the "main" stuff for ctp2 cuz' then you can't play m.p.

Atahualpa · November 14, 2000, 01:40

quote:

Post Scriptum: I don't like to customize, and certainly not graphics

Very hard that is

And you mustnt even do anything with graphics. All you have to do is open a sprites.txt and add a Legion Sprite Number. Copy the Sprite from ctp1 in the sprites folder with the number assigned you gave in sprites.txt. Then open units.txt and change the sprite of the samurai. You are done.
Then you can exchange the tgas if you like (again take those from ctp1 and copy them over the samurai ones from ctp2).

ATa

November 14, 2000, 03:16

quote:

Originally posted by Paulypav on 11-13-2000 10:04 PM
it seems pretty ridiculous that the Samurai replaces the Legion

who said anything like that? it's just the legion was removed and the samurai stayed

Tiberius · November 14, 2000, 03:32

I still don't like that they removed the legions. They were the most important army formation in ancient history.

Tiberius · November 14, 2000, 05:40

quote:

Originally posted by Atahualpa on 11-13-2000 12:40 PM
Very hard that is

ATa

I didn't say it's hard, I said I don't like to do that. I like to play the game the way it is. I modified Civ2 many, many times (including graphics), and finally I always returned to the original one. And whatever you or others may say, I think it's illogical to remove from a history game the legions.

Savant · November 14, 2000, 12:04

Up with legions! I agree with criticism of the regretable decision to overlook legions. And thanks to all you who have suggested a work-around.

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'Blood will run'

Gedrin · November 14, 2000, 14:02

You know; I think Hannibal's war elephants were more important than Samurai and no one is complaining about that. What about the chariot?

I think it would be better if units were names for the function they served.
Ancient Light Infantry (Warrior)
Ancient Garrison (Hoplite Phalanx whatever)
Ancient Main Infantry (Legion)
Ancient Strike Infantry (Samurai).
Ancient Light Mobile
etc...

Besides. The Samurai emerged by the beginning of Japan's feudal period in the 12th century.

That makes it a Medieval unit (which incidentally was roughly 1000ce-1500ce at which time the Renaissance began... which again is more accurately later part of the Middle Ages which *sigh* CTP rather obtusely refers to the entire period as the Renaissance...)

However, I'd rather have historical inaccuracies, which I can fix, than bugs I can't so geez... focus on what's important. While I do intend to fix these details its hardly worth a lynching.

[This message has been edited by Gedrin (edited November 14, 2000).]

Stratesford · November 14, 2000, 16:44

The samurai did replace the legion, you get legions with iron working now you get samurai. Chariots were not that important in history, since they were obsoleted by horse archers and armoured cavalry