get your cheat o matic

Smash · March 28, 2000, 15:13

What is this?

http://www.listsoft.com/cgi-bin/code...ams/pr1813.htm

http://www.3drealms.com/bio/shaffner.html

I notice its only for widoze.
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finbar · March 28, 2000, 20:22

Damn good question. Not quite good enough to tempt me over to widoze, though.

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Scouse Gits · March 29, 2000, 04:40

I think I'll pass - even though it is for the operating system of choice (who's choice, you notice, is never addressed).

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Smash · April 5, 2000, 22:27

this is available in the DB.Apparently there are 398 cheaters here

http://apolyton.net/cgi-bin/civ2files/file.pl?id=185
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April 6, 2000, 00:23

*right, I'm ready for war and khanman now*

Smash · April 6, 2000, 18:38

LOL

finbar · April 6, 2000, 21:18

But what does the thing actually DO?

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Smash · April 6, 2000, 21:56

I don't know but it says it allows you to modify any value in the game.As it runs.So I guess you can give yourself units,techs,improvements,wonders,maps.maybe you can change the value of terrain.Change your treasury."any value" is fairly broad

St Leo · April 8, 2000, 21:54

It searches for a value you type in in the active memory of the app, then asks you to change it several times until it can pinpoint that memory address that holds the variable (or pointer, or whatever) and then allows you to change it.

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Smash · April 8, 2000, 23:02

huh?

finbar · April 9, 2000, 02:12

I notice it's also been removed from the first of the two sites Smash linked in the first post. Or it had been.

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Smash · April 9, 2000, 14:36

Hey! so it has.I wonder why.Perhaps I shall start a crusade to purge the world of this evil program.

CapTVK · April 9, 2000, 17:11

My god this program is evil! It totally elimates any technical barrier for cheating! I've heard about these things but I never bothered to check it out. Do these things also work in MP!?

Sigh, some things never change, I remember doing this sort of thing back in the 8-bit era (peek-poke-sys) for the good old infinite ammo/jumps/lives poke. But that was on a C64 and you had reset the machine and find the exact hex codes and jump back into the program. You had to know how it worked. But with this...I can hardly imagine people actually using this program in Civ2MP.

April 10, 2000, 01:26

quote:

Originally posted by St Leo on 04-08-2000 09:54 PM

It searches for a value you type in in the active memory of the app, then asks you to change it several times until it can pinpoint that memory address that holds the variable (or pointer, or whatever) and then allows you to change it.

Yeah um, what he said.

I still don't know what it does or how to use it but JUST HAVING IT ON MY SYSTEM gives me the confidence to feel like I could whoop War4 and Khanman ANY DAMN TIME I LIKE.

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Ming · April 10, 2000, 08:57

Does this work for MP games... Do you have to be the host, or does it matter. Now I know no one would ever want to admit that they have tried it... but has anybody experimented with it to see if it does work for Civ MP?

finbar · April 10, 2000, 09:28

What he asked. That I wasn't game to.

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vlad · April 14, 2000, 04:21

After hearing of this program I had my brother(a computer geek)download this,since I have trouble even adding new icons to my civ files.We played a MP game where he hosted and used the cheat thing. This is what happened,I was unable to detect it, but did have some strange reactions,first he had unusually high lag as host,we tried the same day without cheats and his lag was fine. It also made my mouse do wacky stuff,why I don't know. We saved each turn so I could go back and see if I could spot the cheats,and it was quite obvious as gold went nuts and so did his building.Here is my end observation of this experiment. Alot of people cheat playing civ online,alot of league players cheat. People not only use programs,but use 2 computers to pull the map clean and see their opponents.I have even been accused of cheating because of a good start by souse76(the chief)and he knew this because he was using a cheat program to look at my map.I love to play civ online and recently after many months have found some great people to play against,Wooz,Seankhan,Acidreign,Alia23,Oedo, Phatman,Empress,Joxur(jluchford),and Darkstorm.These people I know play an honest game and I am sure there are others,but these are the ones I choose to play with. I don't worry about saving every turn,setting passwords,etc.... and that adds to the fun I have playing,which is what this game is all about,fun. Nuff said
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April 14, 2000, 07:03

Good Post. Please post more often.

Smash · April 14, 2000, 15:21

so it does work then?But fairly obvious?Hmmmmm....I spose a good "cheater" would have something more sophisticated.This is kinda old.Oh well.

I've played with Empress and I can/will vouch for her.I strongly believe/hope the vast majority of players are above board.They don't cheat.They are just better than me.But it only takes 1 bad apple.....

saving every turn is double edge.You find things out you really don't want to

Bohlen · April 14, 2000, 16:31

Why would anyone want to cheat at anything when others are competing to reach the same goal? I've always had a hard time understanding the thrill someone has of winning when they use no intelligence to do so, other than to find a way to cheat and get away with it. Does the cheater actually believe they are more skillful when using a program like this to gain a victory? I just don't get it.

Thanks for posting the players that do what they should...play fair. That is the only way to play this and any other MP game. It's not a bad way to go in life, too!

April 14, 2000, 18:53

Right. Why cheat? I've asked this many times. Where is the thrill? And why should the developers concern themselves with "cheat proofing" their game? It shouldn't be a priority or concern.
The level of thinking required to be successful at Civ would lend to the belief that the majority of players are into it for the competition of the game, not the competition of best cheat.

Smash · April 14, 2000, 19:13

I don't know.But human beings do it all the time.Taxes.Steriods.Marriage.How bout that Rosie that "won" the Boston or NYC marathon?

I guess to some winning is everything

vlad · April 14, 2000, 19:51

Just want to add that the players I listed are current ones I try to play with,didn't mean to leave others out or infer that all others are cheaters. I have confidence that alot of people who post here are honest gamers,just haven't had a chance to play everyone,well yet :-) Some of you Aussies sound like you would be a blast to play with.

April 15, 2000, 01:05

Steroids, marrage, and marathons? Smash, isnt that more cheating due to physical inadequasies? ah-hahahaha!

Eyes, care to speak on this?

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Smash · April 15, 2000, 14:08

hehe...well, maybe those were bad examples.But you get the idea.

cheat-o-matic and similiar programs might make up for civ inadequacies.

now,if they could make one for another inadequacy.Not for me of course......

finbar · April 15, 2000, 22:04

Come on down, vlad.

Our ICQs are dotted around the various threads. Time zones present the only problems, but even they're manageable.

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vlad · April 16, 2000, 00:24

Well Finbar I am a vampire after all so I am up til 6am central time which is about 11pm or so aussie time.So perhaps we can get a game in.My icq is 14528854

April 16, 2000, 06:04

as aperson who has played sport all my life, I hate cheating and cheats I would rather loose every game I play than to win one by cheating. If I found out that someone had cheated me I would make a point of telling everyone about it
CHEATING SUCKS IT IS ONLY FOR THE WEAK

ps VLAD there are many Aussies down here with fin who are more than willing to make time to play others from other time zones
good clean civing all

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finbar · April 16, 2000, 07:07

Oh, Vlad the Impaler! I see. Okay, we'll keep plenty of mirrors, garlic and fan pix of Christopher Lee handy.

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George Garrett · April 17, 2000, 00:20

Cheating exists, 'cos cheating pays...if I cheat at Diety, and win big - or merely lie
about it, to my fellows here, most would be too polite to doubt me, I would even receive some accolades.

In RL I would go into politics -now that's REAL cheating! - and get to rule a country.

It's our own fault that cheating(I'm referring to RL now, I've nothing against it in Civ SP) exists - we should be more sceptical.

Thus endeth my Sunday sermon