civilization at its best yet

[mosquitodriver]

I played ctp2 for about a week and said thats it, just another civ game with the same crap as before, its old news. I can see why ctp2 is not doing the best as this board is also flopping its because civ games are getting old and boring, we need something new. I just found the newest civ game that herralds a new era for histrical strategy civ games, called europa universalis, www.europa-universalis.com check it out you might love it. i just got the game and it ROCKS. mark you have got to add this game to your forum because it is the new type of civilization game that brings in a new era of historical strat games, this is the biggest thing since civ first came out 10 years ago.

ctp2 tried but failed, oh well

[dande]

mosquitodriver,

I had been reading about E.U. for a while now. It certainly looked intriguing, but I am hesitant about the RTS aspect. I really abhor real-time simulations. (My life is just too stressfull for my games to add that much more stress.)

The game claims to have be "pause"able and to provide "semi-real-time". Whatever that means. Interestingly I stayed away from baldur's gate for months because it wasn't turn-based. hwever, it's pause feature was quite nice bacuse you could automatically pause at the end of each turn (sounds a lot like turn based). How does E.U.'s pause manager work and is it an effective feature for someone who doesn't like RTS?

Anyone else? What do you think of the game. I'd love to know what other civers think!

There's an E. U. thread in the other games forum here.

Also there's a dedicated E.U. forum at Civgaming.net (follow the link in my sig.)

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[Gwap]

I've had EU now for about 4 days, played almost through the entire weekend, and IT'S MUCHO FABULOSO!!!

Ok, there is a bit of a learning curve, but I guess that for regular Civ/CtP players like all you it shouldn't pose too much of a problem. Well, apart from the RTS element. To alay some of your fears: the pause really pauses. Dead stop! Handy for when a lot is going on.

In all, go to the CGN forums (or the ones on www.europa-univeralis.com) and read all about it.

O, and spend your well-earned cash on it, it's definitely worth it.


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[Dale]

I've been watching the EU scene closely and as soon as I heard it was released I called EB Southland in Melbourne. They've never heard of it. They called their head office in Sydney, and they said it'll be about two to three months before it hits the shelves here.

I'm sure you northerners can here my crying sobs from there.

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[Ribannah]

I've just looked at the "provinces" of NW Europe as shown in the screenshots, they vary from silly to ridiculous. Down 10 points IMHO.

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[Christmann]

Ribannah, could you please expand on that, since I don't know what you mean?

[ravagon]

quote: I've been watching the EU scene closely and as soon as I heard it was released I called EB Southland in Melbourne. They've never heard of it. They called their head office in Sydney, and they said it'll be about two to three months before it hits the shelves here.

Darnit! I was relying on EB to get mine too and in WA they'd never heard of it either. This is not good news...

Anybody know of any reliable online sources?

[Ribannah]

quote: Originally posted by Christmann on 02-27-2001 06:43 PM Ribannah, could you please expand on that, since I don't know what you mean?

Take The Netherlands, for example. A province "The Hague" - a city - where Holland is, a province "Holland" in the east(!), a giant province "Zeeland" (in reality a small province in the SW with a tiny population). The powers that were: Holland (in the west!), Gelre in the east, Brabant in the south (and Fryslan in the north).

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[Henrik]

quote: Originally posted by Ribannah on 03-02-2001 07:35 PM Holland is, a province "Holland"

As most people know Holland is a province in netherlands

[Ribannah]

Actually, today there are provinces "Noord-Holland" (with ao Amsterdam) and "Zuid-Holland" (with ao Den Haag (The Hague) and Rotterdam as major cities). But they are still situated in the west part of the country. The Netherlands have 12 provinces altogether.


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I think the provinces are divided to be able to cover most of the historical borderlines of any one country...

[The Mad Monk]

Actually, I thought that Holland was just another name for the Netherlands...

Please feel free to blame the same education system that taught me that Great Britain and England are synonomous...

[Ribannah]

quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk on 03-04-2001 11:17 PM Actually, I thought that Holland was just another name for the Netherlands... Please feel free to blame the same education system that taught me that Great Britain and England are synonomous...

* Blaming *

It gets even worse. In the English language, the citizens of The Netherlands are called "Dutch" instead of simply "Netherlanders", while you call their neighbours in the east, the citizens of Deutschland, "Germans" instead of "Dutch". In reality, (most of the) Nederlanders, the Deutschen and citizens of several other nations all descent from the original Germanic tribe.



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[Fiji]

The netherlands are called Holland bacause of something called pars-pro-toto
which is latin for part-for-all
or in other words, you refer to a part a something when you're talking about the whole. Kind of like you call someone a *****.
For a long time, Holland was the most inportant part of the netherlands, so people say Holland when they mean the netherlands.

as for the germany thing.
Every country bordering on germany has a name for that country that is not translatable to any other language. contrary to belgium for example. Belgium is the country of the angry people (in old dutch, to be belgian, or "gebelgd" was to be angry) every language refers to belgium as the country of the angry people (italian: belgio, dutch: belgie, french: belgique, english: belgium) but this isn't true for germany.
the reason is that gemany is a recent political union. So every language refers to germany by refering to the tribe (or previous political entity) that originally bordered their language area:
denmark bordered the tysk tribe: tyskland
France bordered the allemanen tribe: allemagne (sp)
England never border germany, but they refer to the first known german tribe: the germans
Belgium and the netherlands bordered the Deutche tribe: Duitsland
The same goes for the Polish and Czechic names but they escape me for the moment

clear now? cause i'm getting confused myself

Fiji

Explain why it's called Németország in hungarian, then.
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[Ribannah]

That one is easy, the name was imported from the Slavonic languages.
Now try to explain why we call Hungary Hungary

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[lord of the mark]

quote: Originally posted by Ribannah on 03-05-2001 06:19 AM * Blaming * It gets even worse. In the English language, the citizens of The Netherlands are called "Dutch" instead of simply "Netherlanders", while you call their neighbours in the east, the citizens of Deutschland, "Germans" instead of "Dutch". In reality, (most of the) Nederlanders, the Deutschen and citizens of several other nations all descent from the original Germanic tribe.

And to add further confusion while we anglo-saxons call the Deutsch "germans" and the nederlanders "dutch" we call the descendants of Deutsch/Germans who live in the lovely state of Pennsylvania "Pennsylvania Dutch". And we call the section where they live "Dutch country". While the section that was actually the New Netherlands we call "New York" and the section with the most descendents of immigrants from the Netherlands we call "western Michigan" And of course there is also a place called "New Holland" (i forget where it is) best known for a manufactrer of agricultural machinery (Sperry New Holland) which AFAIK, is not located there.


and then there is the fact that while folks from Belgium are Belgians, folks from Flanders are "Flemish", and folks from Brabant are "Walloons"