Does this work? - Page 2

Paul · June 7, 2000, 04:26

Sorry, it appears that this one still has the same problem.

MacUser · June 7, 2000, 19:38

Paul: I use the PC daily, I just repress the memory!

Smash: Here is the response from WinZip -

Hi, I am writing in response to your message:

>
> Do you have a Macintosh compatible version of WinZip? I have an iMac running OS 8.6.

Sorry, WinZip works only on Windows.

The Info-ZIP group produces command line Zip/Unzip software for a
variety of other platforms, including the Mac, MVS, and various versions
of Unix. I suggest you take a look at their home page at

http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/

You can also check

http://garbo.uwasa.fi

which has an extensive collection of Macintosh file utilities.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

-- Chuck Campbell, WinZip Technical Support

I find it very curious that Paul is having such problems with your text file. Perhapes some additional PC users could confirm this behavior. I have always assumed that Simple Text and applications such as Notepad were the most basic of text editors and could produce cross-platform files. Ah, but what do I know. Something is obviously amiss! Again, I had no problems with your file.

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Smash · June 7, 2000, 20:50

finding a zip utility was/is not the problem

Smash · June 8, 2000, 00:42

I give up

Scouse Gits · June 8, 2000, 03:52

Regret - having the same problem - end of line markers not recognised as such by PC.
Does the Mac use the ASCII character set?

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Paul · June 8, 2000, 04:46

It probably does, otherwise the whole text would be unreadable garbage. It is just the end-of-line markers that appear to be the problem.

MacUser · June 8, 2000, 07:53

I just checked the "Macworld Mac Secrets" book and confirmed that ASCII is the same for all religions whether Windows, Mac or "anything else" (Unix?

) I'll ask this to some real programers and see if they know the answer. This is really curious.

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Tom DeMille · June 8, 2000, 08:37

Hey, I'm a real programmer!

I dug around some c++ docs concerning text editors, and have found the problem.

DOS and Windows use ASCII 13 (carriage return) and ASCII 10 (linefeed character) in combination as their new line marker.

UNIX and Mac use only the linefeed character.

So straight text files are not compatible cross platform. What else is new...

Smash, if you could just toss in an ASCII 13 character everytime you hit enter, it would be appreciated.

Paul · June 8, 2000, 10:25

Well, it's good to see that we finally know the cause of the problem and a possible solution. Smash, I hope this will help you get your scenario working on both Windows and Mac.

Steve Clark · June 8, 2000, 10:57

In case you don't know how to do that, just do:

#include <iostream.h>
cout << "string\n";
or
cout << "string" << end1;
where 'string' is the text string.

j/k

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Smash · June 8, 2000, 11:51

huh?

Tom DeMille · June 8, 2000, 13:14

I think Steve is suggesting you write yourself an app in C. A bit tricky for a non programmer. I remember using Think C for the mac a decade ago, but unfortunately don't have a mac compiler available right now. If I did I'd write a quick and dirty text editor for you.

Do you have a Java interpreter installed on your machine? I could bang off a Java text editor for you.

Or you could try http://www.mac.org/utilities/texeditplus/ . This is a mac text editor that mentions it will reformat text for MS-DOS BBSs. This might save the text in the right format.

It's interesting that the Mac doesn't have trouble with the extra carriage return character in DOS text files. I guess it just ingores it.

edit: Or, you can just tell pc people to fix the damn text file themselves.

It's not hard. Just open it in wordpad (or any word processor other than notepad), and resave it as a straight text file.
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Steve Clark · June 8, 2000, 13:57

Actually, I was just trying to be cleverly funny. Guess it didn't work.

Tom DeMille · June 8, 2000, 14:25

quote:

#include <iostream.h>
cout << "string\n";
or
cout << "string" << end1;
where 'string' is the text string.

Oh, I just got it! Ha, ha! Good old American humour.

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SCG · June 8, 2000, 14:59

quote:

#include <iostream.h>
cout << "string\n";
or
cout << "string" << end1;
where 'string' is the text string.

As someone who has just spend much of the last 6 hrs helping people proofread their beginning Ada and C programs, I guess I'm still in that mindset

So, actually this is a C++ program, not a C program, if anyone really wanted to try that out somewhere

C would use printf statements instead, as well as a slightly different file to include. The printf statement in place of cout might have even helped Smash get the gist of the code just from context.

also, can anyone spot the typo in the alternate way to print a new line?

thats right! the 1 should be an l

(lower case 'L')

As one other side note to the actual problem, I'm surprised I didn't think of that - there are a lot of people who load their programs from notepad to UNIX and I always have them do a search and replace on all those pesky little carriage returns (^M) - they don't affect anything compilerwise, but do confuse text editors like emacs.

and my appologies to Tom and Steve - like i said, i've been spending too long today pointing out the obvious and just couldn't help myself

edit: odd - I just tried to edit this page, since the <iostream.h> was missing in my original post - but its already there???

wonder if it will show up this time :|
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June 8, 2000, 17:23

How could you win without shake's and INs? What's the point of being able to have an extra city for only one turn? I'm curious.

Smash · June 8, 2000, 22:39

I have no idea what you guys are talkng about so it ends here

...For now.

I tryed to make a OCC game that would have things that I think make it hard.No Shake's means Mono and cathedral slowing the effect of "we love days"

No Ike's means slower science.

Less civ means less help with techs and tribute.

I made 2 civs have vendettas but it doesn't give consistant results.

It was meant as a small puzzle just for something different.You'll notice the city is not well placed for OCC.I wanted the player to have to build a palace and have a supported settler as a result of disbanding Mingapulco.You can't disband with 1 city so it was meant to give few seconds of puzzle solving.

It can be won relatively easily depending on what "Evan" and "Venger" do.First 2 tests I was wiped out by 3 triremes of knights that "Evan" sent.I tweaked it alittle and I landed in 1930s.

MacUser · June 10, 2000, 10:02

Tom, SCG and Steve: You guys are just too damn tough! Talk about "Code Warriors"!

Don't want to meet you guys in a dark ally with only AppleScript at my side!

It's all I can do to change the Type and Creator codes in ResEdit! This is why I bought the book "Mac Programming for Dummies" (which I never got around to reading

)! FYI: it came with a free copy of CodeWarrior Lite compiler and Apples resource editor ResEdit.

I now feel enlighted and educated! Plus I get to write the authors of MacSecrets and point out their error about ASCII being cross-platform!

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