Birth of New Civs from Barbarian Cities

polypheus · June 15, 2001, 19:46

It is confirmed that barbarians will have their own cities. However, it would be good if over time, some barbarians cities can transform into a full fledge civilization. In order for them to have a viable start, they should inherit all of the techs of their neighboring Civs and have some of their military units convert to settlers so they could start a few cities right away.

This idea, combined with the birth of new Civs from older Civs through revolts (discussed a couple of other threads) will then make Civ3 as historically realistic as possible and permit Civ3 to simulate the "rise and fall of nations" phenomenon well.

Ilkuul · June 15, 2001, 19:57

This is something I've been talking about and wanting for some time! But it all depends on how Firaxis is going to implement minor civs. If these are to have any reality at all, then they will come about in exactly the sort of ways you suggest, and they will truly be independent -- not just the Civ2 barbarians (who never become a proper civ in their own right); and not just conquered cities who end up returning to their original parent civ (i.e. who also don't become a separate civ on their own).

Many people are afraid one or other of the last two options are all that Firaxis have in mind for minor civs -- I certainly hope not!

Sirotnikov · June 16, 2001, 15:09

Having this as one of the options for starting new civs in mid game (a thing which is a must for a dynamic interesting game, but should have an end. ie: no germans reappearing 3 times after I slayed their @ss 3 times.)
would be really cool.

Think about it, the germans and french were raiders on europe. So were the brittons and anglos to england.

Ralf · June 16, 2001, 15:45

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Originally posted by polypheus
It is confirmed that barbarians will have their own cities.

Where have this been confirmed?

Whenever stating "Its confirmed"; always add a clickable link to the source.

Buck Birdseed · June 16, 2001, 19:05

PC Gameplay preview, later reproduced in full on the Gamespot UK website. Look for the "Interview" (Which is really a damn stupid way of trying to rehash the information that was in small boxes in the magazine- I can guarantee those "questions" were added afterwards).

How about ceveral barbarian cities forming the new civ together? They supposedly squash up as the game progresses...

Nikolai · June 17, 2001, 06:39

From the interview(Jeff Briggs reveals all ):

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GSUK: Will we see the return of the barbarian hordes?

Barbarians now work in a totally different way. In this game barbarians have cities, like all the other civs. And they originate from these cities and make raids. Sometimes building roads can be really hard because there are barbarians out there that constantly attack you. Each time you destroy a barbarian town, it will respawn itself in an area of the map that you can't currently see. So what you have to try to do is set up a situation where you can see as much of the map as possible so that you can keep pushing them back.

Rasputin · June 17, 2001, 06:42

i like the sound of this... will this also remove barb attacks from sea ???

Nikolai · June 17, 2001, 06:46

The interview didn't say anything on that.

It had been fine to know, but I guess the information will come!

Rasputin · June 17, 2001, 07:04

perhpas you will need to set up some sort of naval watch over oceans to prevent barb ships attacking

Office_Fox · June 17, 2001, 08:57

I think barbarian civs which form from captured citys are a great idea. Just as long as they don`t all turn into the same 'barbarian civ', if you knw what I mean.

In history, almost all the civs around today could be attributed to barbarians capturing citys in civ terms. European countrys are the result of germanic 'barbarians' capturing areas of france and england. America is the result of a 'peasant uprising' capyuring all the citys on north america.

So, in addition to any revolt and civil war sections, barbarians would be great.

Rasputin · June 17, 2001, 13:46

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Originally posted by Office_Fox
. European countrys are the result of germanic 'barbarians' capturing areas of france and england. America is the result of a 'peasant uprising' capyuring all the citys on north america.
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no wonder those areas so full of barbarians today

Nikolai · June 18, 2001, 12:05

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Originally posted by Rasputin

no wonder those areas so full of barbarians today

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the !!!

I'm living in Europe! I'm not a barbarian! I'm a cultivated person!

OK. I'm all right now. Just don't call me a barbarian, or I will bring my sword and stones, and I will...oh,...just forget it...

b&i_c · June 18, 2001, 12:17

I think that will be awesome. Barbarians might actually be a force to deal with now

. I don't really think barbarians should just randomly appear in the sea, I think that a barbarian city on the coast should have to make the boats.

Dr Strangelove · June 18, 2001, 12:56

This sounds great! Will it be possible to add barbarian cities to your empire? I have an idea for two features that would make Civ 3 more realistic: When you defeat a barbarian city it could be added to your empire, or it could be destroyed, but it's citizens added to your empire, either in the form af a new settler, or its population just added to your nearest city.

Iskandar Reza · June 18, 2001, 13:02

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
This sounds great! Will it be possible to add barbarian cities to your empire? I have an idea for two features that would make Civ 3 more realistic: When you defeat a barbarian city it could be added to your empire, or it could be destroyed, but it's citizens added to your empire, either in the form af a new settler, or its population just added to your nearest city.

We are the Borg, we will assimilate you.

You know in ctp2 i once saw a babarian city complete building the great pyramids....

will the babarians in civ III be civilized as well?