Alliances

TechWins · July 2, 2001, 21:09

In Civ2 if you had an ally it would virtually mean nothing. If you went to a war they could care less and vice versa. I think you should have to have a responsibility to help your allies in wars. If you don't other civs won't want to sign any treaties with you because they won't think they will get backed up in a war. Plus your civ would most diffently break the treaty off and if they were militaristic enough they might declare war on you. So what I'm trying to say is that their should be reprecutions for not helping your allies out in wars.

There should also be different kinds of allies. You could have a non-military treaty- this would mean that you would TRADE sciences, TRADE resources, etc..., a military treaty- this would mean that you would be obligated to help this ally out in a war, and a total treaty- this would be the combination of a non-military treaty and a military treaty. I put trade in caps lock because you shouldn't be required to give away things for free or even expected to, such as in Civ2.

In Civ2 sometimes I would have an ally that would love to pillage my roads, mines, or irrigation. Why would any ally do this? Allies need to respect each others property.

Overall, allies need to have more importance. Instead of being somebody that you'll use the whole game then once you get a high production and a great military, you'll attack them or vice versa.

Rasputin · July 2, 2001, 21:13

A fantastic idea

One that has been suggested and ignored many times over.....

Perhaps too late for Civ 5 but maybe in Civ 6 !!!

Inverse Icarus · July 3, 2001, 18:06

i believe there are such things.

i forget where, but i remember reading there are many different forms of err... i cant think of the word. there are different states to be in with a nation.

if u sign an alliance, the ZOC rules still apply unless you sign some sort of "free moving" pact. i read that somewhere.

i bet theres dozens of others, and hope theres a "free trade" policy, where you basically SHARE your combines resources.

Fiera · July 3, 2001, 19:18

I want to be able to form strong alliances that lead, as time passes by, to the creation of a new and greater civ, to simulate things like the German or Italian unification, etc.

Of course, you could only try to join with an AI controlled civ, but I think it would be geat, and it could be a good prize for peacenik players. The way culture works now could help a lot to this kind of unifications.

TechWins · July 3, 2001, 19:52

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I want to be able to form strong alliances that lead, as time passes by, to the creation of a new and greater civ, to simulate things like the German or Italian unification, etc.

I don't really think this idea. I don't because somebody is very peaceful but is a poor civ might want to join with one of their long time, powerful allies. It's not fair that some crappy civ should become good because they have a good ally to join with. All Civs should remain seperate through out the whole game.

Fiera · July 3, 2001, 20:10

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Originally posted by TechWins
I don't because somebody is very peaceful but is a poor civ might want to join with one of their long time, powerful allies. It's not fair that some crappy civ should become good because they have a good ally to join with.

It's not just a matter of time, but a matter of what you have to offer to the other civ as well. No powerful civ would want to join some crappy civ, but a tiny civ would be interested in doing so. It might be its only chance to survive.

But, of course, they'd need to have similar cultures also. That may be simulated through a long trade relationship, along with the aformentioned military/diplomatic alliance.

TechWins · July 3, 2001, 20:15

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It's not just a matter of time, but a matter of what you have to offer to the other civ as well. No powerful civ would want to join some crappy civ, but a tiny civ would be interested in doing so. It might be its only chance to survive

I still really don't like the idea.

Inverse Icarus · July 4, 2001, 00:34

i dont think he really wants one globular civ here.

i think he just wants an agreement so air-tight that they fight the same wars, and trade freely with eachother.

like an uber alliance

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TechWins · July 4, 2001, 02:08

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i think he just wants an agreement so air-tight that they fight the same wars, and trade freely with eachother.

This is also something I would like to see. If he is talking about having the "one globular civ" then I don't like it all.

Juggernaut · July 4, 2001, 03:46

Really stupid and pointless thread, this. Quite uninformed.

TechWins · July 4, 2001, 04:02

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Really stupid and pointless thread, this. Quite uninformed.

Could you explain where the uniformed part is?

Juggernaut · July 4, 2001, 04:05

Just as uninformed as my "captured cities" thread. YOu should know better than this.

Rasputin · July 4, 2001, 11:19

its a very good idea, but probably too late to do ant change sfor civ 3.... perhaps we should al ltake a rest from civ 3 forum ideas and wait for the game now !!!

KrazyHorse · July 4, 2001, 11:24

Why is this thread uninformed? Making alliances more binding is an important suggestion.

Juggernaut · July 4, 2001, 11:28

TW claimed threads who wasn´t built on real Civ3 facts were uninformed, so i just made it clear to him...

KrazyHorse · July 4, 2001, 11:29

When did he say that? This forum is about information, but also about suggestions.

Juggernaut · July 4, 2001, 11:34

i don´t know, he claimed my thread was stupid, uninformed and didn´t belong here *sob* i don´t think he likes me

KrazyHorse · July 4, 2001, 11:35

That's okay. Nobody else likes you either.

Juggernaut · July 4, 2001, 11:36

Thanks.

Rasputin · July 4, 2001, 12:46

shucks everyone hates you , but who cares,,, its jsut a website not real life

Juggernaut · July 4, 2001, 12:49

i´d be careful to use such language anyway. some people don´t have real friends and can be seriously hurt. for some, apolyton is all they got (argghh, what a destiny

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Rasputin · July 4, 2001, 13:00

i guess that explains why i post here so much

TechWins · July 4, 2001, 17:05

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TW claimed threads who wasn´t built on real Civ3 facts were uninformed, so i just made it clear to him...

Thanks for putting words into my mouth.

By the way Krazyhorse, who is that in your new avatar? It's just not the same without your old avatar.

KrazyHorse · July 4, 2001, 17:09

Ahhh...Kurt Godel.

ancient · July 4, 2001, 20:13

how do you make your own custom avator? i have a pic i want to use..

KrazyHorse · July 4, 2001, 20:15

First you get 500 posts...

TechWins · July 5, 2001, 02:15

...or you could have been registered here for at least a year.

ancient · July 5, 2001, 15:01

hmm too bad i have a life..

Inverse Icarus · July 5, 2001, 18:40

civ isnt a valid life?

oh no, i've wasted it all.

TechWins · July 5, 2001, 19:02

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hmm too bad i have a life..

Spending maybe a half an hour to an hour a day here at Apolyton doesn't neccesarily mean you don't have a life. Some people use this thing called time management which enables them to spend some time here at Apolyton.