History of the World 2 - IV - Page 9

Rasputin · August 19, 2001, 20:53

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The Capo · August 19, 2001, 23:48

People of Europe, you may now leave your homes safely. Israeli soldiers have withdrawn from the Balkan region and southern Europe has been liberated by formal peace with Israel. According to some sources the Isreali high council has changed their name to the Federated Democratic Provinces. The formal treaty signed by the Isrealite high council and EU Prime Minister Enzo Pagniacci has now ended all hostilities and has given Israel and indisclosed amount of territory in indemnities. The Zulu nation is also expected to follow suit as their demand that Israel return the lost European provinces has been answered. Radio Free Europe will remain in broadcast in the Russian theatre as European forces stationed near the Israeli theatre will no doubt be allocated. Please stay tuned for more information...

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Rasputin · August 19, 2001, 23:59

The Inaugral SPeeach of Reich Marshal Hermann Georing....

"My fellow citizens. We stand now at the threshold of a new era. Our war with the former Adriatic League is a war we can win. But we must ask ourselves do we wish to pay the price of that win. With no aid forthcoming form our Ally the Mali we are faced with a two front war against the Zulu Communists and the Fascists in Europe. And why might I ask are we fighting fellow fascists. Meanwhile the communists and Capitalsits of this world laugh at us and grow fat at our expence.

My fellow citizens, I am here to inform you that secretly before this election, I was able to get agreement from the Government in Europe to sign a peace treaty. "

Loud Cheers

"Settle down citizens, to achieve this Peace we have agreed t owithdraw from Europe and turn over control of those provinces to the newly formed European Union. These people have a similar philosophy to ourselves and this will prevent the total destrutcion of Venice, 50% of which already lies in ruins. Fro mthe agreement the FDP gain all of the old Adriatic LEagues Colonies in America. This will strenghten our position over there. We retain our provinces in Asia."

Mor eloud cheers

"My feelow citizens, this brings to an end the longest war in the history of the world. The hundreds of thousands of citizens killed in this war will be remebered. We will never forget those that caused this war. I dont need to name those responsible for causing this war to be so drawn out and costly. But our Federation is now looking forward to closer relationships with the EU and soon we beleive that EU influence will force the Zulus to suspend all miltiary action agaisnt us."

Even louder cheers

"Again my fellow citizens, we shall rebuild this fedeartion into the strong Natio nwe should be. We have come far my people. Now is the time to rejoice, For I fear that soon the world will fear a new partnership that is soon to form. Once tha tpartnership is formed , I think the wolrd may do all it can to destroy it. But we wil lstand strong ... Long live the FDP !!!

"LONG LIVE THE FDP!!!!"

Rasputin · August 20, 2001, 02:54

Can I have a copy of save game too please... Please post it here for all !!!! Mine was corrupted somehow by the crash

Rasputin · August 20, 2001, 03:12

"So governor, we are free open all trade routes again?" asked Bill Gates, chairman of the FDPs North American Commerce Centre.

"Yes Bill, with peace signed between us and the Adriatics, Reich Marshal Georing expects us to trade with all our regional neighbours. You are to approach the Chinese and the Australains to our south to guarnetee freedom of travel of all Commercial Vehicles." replied Governor Bill Clinton. "If we get word from Israel that the Zulus too are after peace we will open trade with them too."

"ahh good, my companies have much to gain from trade. We have many natural resources here in America which will profit our neighbors too."

"Yes, finally I get to finish building the new Governors Residence. We will have a great party, I wil linvite all the American Dignataries from China, Mali & Australia as well as all our regional Governors. It will be a big celebration"

American PArty Time

Rasputin · August 20, 2001, 03:20

Latest pics prove the withdrawal.

drake · August 20, 2001, 09:15

If, and only if Israel's desire for peace is proven to be genuine. Also, Israel's negative propoganda towards the Zulu Nation must stop. If the propoganda continues, attempting to slander our country in the eyes of the asians, the Zulus will call off the cease fire and continue to pound Israeli cities. Kamma will meet with the Israelis when a convenient time is agreed upon (IE: when I see Raz online).

Frank Johnson · August 20, 2001, 16:36

OOC

Well guys it happened. I moved to college, unfortuently things are not going as smoothly as I'd have liked. I'm in some sort of waiting list, up in a converted lounge....which.......only to taunt me has ethernet ports that do not work. This is not to mention that I had to wipe my computer to restore it from some sort of error I had when I got here, so my whole scenario is gone amongst other things. Anyway it would be weeks before I have easy access to the internet, and a place where I can play games. Sigh. I'm sorry to endanger the Mongols right now. I will try to update you on my situation before the session thursday.

drake · August 20, 2001, 16:45

Oh so they stuck you with oe of those "we're full in normal rooms, so you get the old tv lounge" type deal. Bummer! Make sure to see if you can get a discount on your housing, cuz you're probably not getting the accomodations you should be.

If you can't get on to play thursday, just try to find an appropriate sub. We'll do all we can to help. Good luck with it!

I sware this game is cursed!!!!!!!

Rasputin · August 20, 2001, 21:01

"So the Zulus are only offering a cease fire, not a full peace treaty ?" Asked Marge Simpson the Personal Assistant to the Foreign Affairs Department leader.

"Yes Marge, apparently they are not as peaceful as they make out to be. They openly stated that once Europe was in Adriaitic hands they would sign peace, well now the world knows they are not so friendly as they allude to be. We will take their Cease fire but we will not withdraw our troops from Africa till a full Peace Agreement is signed. Heaven forbid if an accident occurs. Any Zulu movement towards our Provinces would be interpreted as breach of Cease fire."

"Well I hope for my kids sake that this is the end."

"Me too Marge , me too. But you know the Zulus as well as me, and they are not to be trusted. The Mossad has much inside information as to their collusion with the Mali and other incidents of aggresion throughout the world. Till peace is signed we must be on our guard 24 hours a day."

Rasputin · August 21, 2001, 01:09

"Heil Georing!!" saluted the guards.

"Heil Georing." replied the Reich Marshal.

He passed through the checkpoint with his entourage and sat at the head of the table.

"Rabbi Rasputin, good to see you again, I was afraid we had lost you again. After my rise to power you seemed to disappear!" he said

"Well I had many family matters to deal with here and in Australia Reich Marshal." responded the Rabbi. "I knew you wouldnt want me around to interfer with your succesion"

"Couldnt be further from the truth Rabbi. You are our best link to the Australians, you still have family there and I hear are still highly regarded by PResident Keating."

"My fmaily goes back along way, we owe much to Presidnet Paul"

"good, Good. Then you will happily except my assignement for you to return to Australia and ask them to forgive our nation of our past aggresions and to reopen the economic trade doors."

"I am sure anyoen could do that , you dont need me for that"

"Yes you are right, the capitalists in Australia woudl jump at further profits. I have an extra special request for you to take to President Paul." smiled the Reich Marshal.

"And what is this special?"

The Recih Marshall passed the Rabbi a large package wrapped in brown paper. It had the Black Eagle of the Recih Marshal's personal seal on it.
"Inside you will find all you need. I expect you to loyally follow the instructions and report direct to me back here upon completion."

"My loyalty is as always unquestioned Recih Marshal. I shall do as requested."

"Good. Good" He smiled.

drake · August 21, 2001, 09:19

"They've accepted the terms of the cease fire Jula" said General Shakeem.

"Very well, very well. Those Israelis are lucky Shakeem. Lucky that the Eu stepped in and lucky that we are a tolerant nation. They preach and preach about how we cannot be trusted and how aggressive we are, but they forget that they brought this upon themselves! When they sacked an allies capitol, what did they expect us to do? Laugh it off? Oh Shakeem those Israelis are lucky lucky lucky!" Kamma was frustrated.

"Yes they certainly are Jula, but they are also smart; smart to reach for peace. They know that we outmatch them un-equivocally. They know they don't have the defenses to hold their cities. With this move to peace, they have saved a lot of lives, which is not insignificant. I applaude their desire for peace." Shakeem said confidently.

"Peace is what we're all after Shakeem, but I still feel as though the Israelis have not been adequately punished. We will stop our offensive against them for the time being, and we will grant them peace as soon as this century has ended in peaceful fashion. If the Israelis can keep their hands clean until 1600, we will sign an all out declaration of peace. No questions asked. Until that time, we are to keep our border guard on full alert and keep a close eye on Israeli movement. One slip and the cease fire is over. One slip and they will never again see peace. This is their last chance Shakeem. If their desire for peace is genuine, they will have it. If this is merely a time for them to recover and rebuild military forces, I assure you that Israel will burn." Kamma was shaken up.

"Very well Jula. That is fair. Well, I am off to En Nahud to oversee the new building project. Take care comrade." Shakeem saluted her and left.

belinda9 · August 21, 2001, 19:57

OK!
since I "have" to go watch football this Thursday I did find a sub to run the Mali -- Slowwhand has graciously been volunteered. This is Tuesday and I never got anykind of updated stuff from capo so I sent him the hotw2 folder I had and the last save. I believe his ICQ number is 51553293 if someone wants to say hi (or find him to give him the IP when it's time, heh heh) and y'all thank him for me for bailing me out on this one.
if there's something I need to do let me know.
y'all don't be mean to him. save it up for Chaka when I get back. lol

Frank I'm really sorry to hear your college career getting off to such a rocky start on the housing problem. I've never understood how these people get away with taking money from people for more housing space than they actually have. If you need anything or I can do anything to help you out let me know.

Oh, and for any of you who I don't have on ICQ my number is 69330957. say hi sometime

Rasputin · August 21, 2001, 20:25

I would apprecaite a chance to communicate with my "Ally" before the game, Slow can you please contact me ASAP to discuss where we are at and where we are heading... Hopefully Belinda ahs givne you some idea too, but I have things to discuss too, perhaps Belinda Sloww and I can get together before the session ....

Rasputin · August 21, 2001, 20:35

"Heil Goering!!"

"Yes Heil Georing."

"Good to see you Field Marshall Von Bismark"

"and you too General Rahjid , Word has arrived in isreal of a possible coup to despose Dangime. This must not occur"

"Unfortuantly he has been incareted by the College Rebels, they have locked him up and are giving him no access to the government."

"This could be bad, who is to lead while he is in such a position?"

"Governor Aweetle Idioth is rumoured to be advancing on the capital with armed forces, but we are hoping to get the high council to appoint a member of the Sehub Unwar Benoon (SUB) party. "

"Ahh yes Isreal wqould prefer Dangime to be freed , but a SUB member is better than Governor AI."

"Mongolian citizens are concerned with Israels reaction if Governor Aweetle Idioth takes over, Israels past history suggests aggresion is their prefered path agaisnt the Idioths."

"I have a signed letter here from the Reich Marshal himself, we shall never attack an ally of ours, regardless of their leadership."

"That is good to here Field Marshal. Hopefully we can free Dangime soon, but these Rebels are stronger than we hoped for."

Rasputin · August 21, 2001, 23:11

"My fellow Governors, it is my great pleasure to announce the largest project yet undertaken by this affiliation of Provinces. Never before has so much effort and money been put into the one undertaking. At the conclusion of this project, the FDP will no longer be regarded as a backward incompetant nation. We shall stand proudly in the annals of history knowing that the FDP will lbe regarded as one of the greatest places to live in this world. We shall become one of the most repsected nations in the world. The other nations will come beating to our door to learn of our ways. This project will free us once and for all from the tyranny of all other nations. We shall never again be savaged by others greedily turning their eyes upon our provinces. This is the New Beginning."

Rasputin · August 22, 2001, 00:49

"... and so Governor Clampett, you can see the plans here and how that compares to what you see being built down there along the river" said the Engineer.

"When do yall think this will be finished?"

"Well we cant be sure exactly , depends on how much support we get from our new friends the European Union, but they are very busy still fighting the Mongol Hordes and then they will have to rebuild Europe. Butwe predict by early in the new century the fruits of this begininngs should be felt."

"I hope that we can get the tourism dollars rolling in too when this is finished."

"Governor, I am sure that all the world will be clambering to enter Texas soon."

The Capo · August 22, 2001, 02:24

"All rise for Prime Minister Enzo Pagniacci!" said the Majority Leader Winston Churchill, the assembly dutifully rose to their feet as Prime Minister Enzo Pagniacci walked proudly and took his seat at the podium.

"I now call into order this first session of the European Parliament, on this day March 15th 1520. I will now call upon the assembled Chiefs of Staff to update us on our situation following the cease fire with the FDP and prior to our official signing of peace. General Adriana Alessi shall fill us in, General." said Enzo as Adriana stood up to the podium.

"Great Parliament of Europe, now that the Israeli armies have left their posts it has given us the opportunity to finally see what we have lost during the war. The cities of Khazar and Novokazalinsk have been taken by Israel, the cities of Bosporus, Bucharest and Athens have been taken by Israel. In the Americas the cities of Nuovo Monaco, San Luigi and Richmond have been taken as well by the Mali-Israeli coalition. The Mongolians have taken Orsoni and Savona, but have yet to impede accross the Ural mountains. That is the update on lost territory, which is considerably less than what we had initially believed. This leads the Joint Chiefs to ask this Parliament to renegotiate our current peace with the FDP. We feel that we are not in a position to be forced into peace." just then she was interrupted by Lars Engleberger of Austria.

"General Alessi, you have come to this assembly to ask that we go back on our initial deal to the Israelites and say that we feel we shouldn't accept these terms simply because we've found that our position isn't that bad. Our national capital, Venice, has been retaken yes, but how long will it be until we again are ran out of our ancestral homeland" said the Dove MP from Vienna "Surely we can't allow this war to continue, Israel or the FDP or whatever they wish to call themselves now will surely take offense."

"With all due respect Mr. Engleberger, it is not our place to appease this nation. If they wish for peace they can have it, the Joint Chiefs have no issue there, however we are not in a position of total loss, the Eurokorps forces being assembled under Prime Minister Paganiacci's plan should be quite apt to retake this land. I believe that it is your concern for your home Vienna that leads you to want a quick peace." she retorted.

"No ma'am, it is my concern for my home EUROPE that leads me towards an expediate peace. This is nonsense, we are making further powerplays when we are clearly a defeated nation." he said as he sat down.

"That is what this assembly is here to determine. I am merely explaining that our initial idea is incorrect, in the face of these new facts we should renegotiate our position, the loss of our entire colonial empire is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous based on these latest facts. That is what the Joint Chiefs believe, we are quite assured that a victory over the FDP would not be ruled out, thus we should agree to nothing resembling a surrender." at this point the MP from Spain, Julio Cerebro stood up.

"I agree with the General, how can we simply bow down to these threats from Israel? They are nothing! They took advantage of us when we were down, these Jews are not to be trusted!" he barked.

"I take offense Mr. Cerebro" said the MP from Poland, Loni Wisniewski "My state has many Jewish Poles, a vast number of which have joined the ranks of these armed forces. Religion is clearly not an issue, if it where we would not be clashing in this manner. However I must agree, I believe that a new negotiation should occur, one that this Parliament agrees with. Not one that Klamens Metternich and Enzo Pagniacci wish for."

"Order please!" said Prime Minister Pagniacci as he hit his gavel on the podium "Gentlemen, we must not bicker over petty details. That very issue is what we have come to discuss, the Parliament must decide the proper course of events here. The FDP in so many words have agreed to a trade of cities, one for one. I suggest we attempt to keep some of our colonies since this is how it will occur. We could realistically keep the province of Mantucci and still regain our lost European territories. General, have you any more to say?"

"Yes sir, I have much more. Our Military has taken an impressive blow from the war. As far as artillery based garrisons we have next to nothing, infantry is low as well and our naval capability is nearly non existant. We are hurting, our former Commander in Chief Henrick Heimmler did nothing for this nation and although he was able to retake Venice, that's about as much as he could do. Our defenses there are shoddy as well to say the least. Other than the latest edict by Prime Minister Pagniacci, the Eurokorps plan, we've got no real capability." she said somberly there was no reaction from the assembly.

"Thank you General. The next order of business is our current situation with the FDP. We have a treaty to put the finishing touches on, here is what is currently suggested by my staff; Bucharest, Athens and Bosporus are top priorities. That's already three cities we owe the FDP. For this we will give them all of Mexico, our remaining two colonies we will keep. That will be the peace treaty. We shall now vote on this, to be known as EUPR - 2. Voting will commense in ten minutes..."

_________________

Votes on EUPR - 2

Yes - 102

No - 68

Vote in favor of passage. EUPR - 2; Peace treaty with Israel turning over the province of Mexico and Nuova Italia to the FDP. Effectively ends the southern front of World War 2 in Europe.

drake · August 22, 2001, 08:25

"So how was your trip General? How is the new structure coming along in En Nahud?" Kamma asked Shakeem.

"The trip was great Jula, and the new building is coming along very quickly. Should be up and running in no time." answered the General.

"Good, that is excellent. So Shakeem, now that we have signed a cease fire with Israel and tension will be relaxing, we can turn our attention to the Mongols. Their aggression against our allies in Europe has been ignored much too long as it is. We must demand that their entry into Europe be halted immediately. Should they refuse and continue to attack Europe, we will be forced to engage. Leave me Shakeem, I must pen a letter to President Dangime...." Kamma ordered the General.

Shakeem nodded and exited the room......

Kamma began writing.............

President Dangime,

Your time of freely entering our European allies territory is over. Your country will discontinue it's aggressive manuevers towards EU cities, or the Zulu Nation will be forced to enter into a peace keeping mission.

This request is effective immediately. There will be no more warnings after this one. If your offensive persists, we will be forced to engage your country directly. The choice is yours President and yours alone.

Continuing your un-provoked attacks are a danger both to our alliance as well as the stability of the world. We will no longer sit by and allow this vulgar display of aggression to continue.

You needn't respond directly. Should the offensive cease, we will know that you have heard us. Should it continue, we will know that you have ignored our warning, and you will face the consequences. It's very simple.

Jula Kamma, Czar, Zulu Nation

Kamma signed the letter and called for her assistant.
"Please get this out on the afternoon train."

The assistant nodded and departed with the letter........

The Capo · August 22, 2001, 15:01

The sentry stood still as Enzo Pagniacci approached the tomb of Klamens Metternich, who was now laid to rest in the throne room of the old Palace in Venice. The people of Europe loved him more than any other leader in its history, Bonaparte, Mussolini, even in the days of the Kings. There were no rallies, no posters, no salutes, no special titles dedicated to him during his life. No powers beyond the normal written codes that he enjoyed, he was merely a man who served Europe well, even when he felt he had done nothing, when he felt it permitted the taking of his own life the man had done all he could for his beloved homeland. This the people of Europe, finally out of the war that plagued them for years, were grateful for.

Enzo Pagniacci had known Klamens Metternich since they were young adolescents in the War Academy at Broken Hill, an Australian institution. They had been bunked together for all three and a half years of their education, learning the order of the Military and tact. Information that seemed to be of little use during this war, a war involving machine weapons rather than cavalry and infantry divisions, the popular courses at Broken Hill. When it was discovered that Metternich's parents were killed in a fire at their home in Vienna both returned to Europe to stay with Furio Pagniacci, Enzo's father, one of the Adriatic Joint Chiefs under the rule of Benito Mussolini and his Falange party.

It had been divulged after Dictator Idoni ousted Mussolini and had Pagniacci executed that Falange forces were responsable for the murder of Metternich's parents. He then joined the armed forces under Idoni and it cost him use of his right leg in the war, Pagniacci on the other hand quickly rose the ranks and was named General like his father. Now in the later days of Metternich's life both men served as the leaders of the falling Adriatic League, attempting to hold their proud historic nation together while embattled on two fronts against their long-time enemies the Israelites and Mongols. After it became clear to Metternich that his plans weren't taking effect he went, as some would say, a step too far and took his own life in his offices in Paris. Soon thereafter Enzo Pagniacci was named Prime Minister in Metternich's final edict from beyond the grave.

But here they were now again, the two old friends finally united in the throne room of Carlo D'Medici, Lorenzo D'Medici and Ferdinand of Habsubrg. Great leaders, great generals like Leopold of Habsburg, Cosimo D'Medici, Giuseppi Mazzini and of course Napoleon Bonaparte have stood in this very room, and sat in this very spot upon the throne of Europe. They were great men who ruled a vast empire, who's reputation and mettle went untested and unquestioned for centuries. Now there sat the coffin of Klamens Metternich, two flags; one for the Adriatic League and one for the European Union draped over the shiney oak peice. Enzo Pagniacci lowered himself to one knee and bowed his head...

"En il nombre di padri, e il hijo, e spirito sancti. My brother, you have made a mistake, you have taken your own life and comitted against your friends, your God and yourself the greatest of all sins. I can only hope and pray that God will be able to show mercy upon your soul, for I have already forgiven you. Your people love you, despite your moment of weakness." he said as a tear fell from his eye "It is very difficult my friend, to rule in your stead. Nay not to rule, why do I speak like this. To serve, that is what you always thought of this as, this leadership. Leaders do not rule Enzo, its what you always told me, they serve. Well Klamens, I will try my hardest to abide by that maxim. We have a good future my friend, I can see it now. We have bright young officers and bright young statesmen ready to take this beyond the Adriatic League. We have truly begun a new future for ourselves, the European Union. We have a long way to go Klamens, I know you will always be there for us. I only wish to hope that a spot in heaven was reserved for Klamens Metternich, otherwise he might be confused with the Lord himself. Viva la Europa. Amen." he signed the trinity and rose, wiping the tears from his eyes.

He then saluted his Consul...

<img src="http://members.aol.com/lbpreefer/enzometternich.jpg">

Rasputin · August 22, 2001, 17:48

Dearest Capo, I think you have an out of date save file, The israelis retook your previous Capital Venice (Now slovakia) Perhpas you should rewuest an uptodate Save .......

Rasputin · August 22, 2001, 18:08

"Heil Georing!!" Saluted the messenger

"Heil Georing" the Reich Marshal replyed.

"Sir this is the latest report from European Parliamnent" He handed the Reich Marshall the papers and retreated out the door.

The Reich Marshall slowly read the report sof the vote in the Europena PArlaiment and his normal friendly countenance slowly changed to fury.

"What !!" He thre the papers into the fire "Who do those Europeans think they are? THey come to me asking foe peace and we get agreeemnt to only see it broken in the next three months by a meddling parliament. They shall pay for this. I wont have peace agreements broken after strong negotiaiting on both sides. We compromised our original requests to meet there expectations and now they are offering less. Well war it will be. "

He stormed into the ante room

"General " he shouted at his aide and he immedialty stood to attention " send word to Field Marshal Von Bismark to return all troops to Europe, the EU has revoked the peace agreement. Prepare for the Zulu to do the same, I feel that the EU leadership has been foced into this peace agreement breakup and its probalby by the Zulus, so expect them to attack again."

"Yes Reich Marshal"

"And send word to the Mongols that due to this breakdown in Peace betwen us and the EU/Zulu alliance, we will aid them in crushing the swine who dare go back on their words."

"yes Reich Marshal, Heil Georing!"

"Heil Georing"

Troops returning to Slovakia and Europe

Frank Johnson · August 22, 2001, 19:31

Here is it Wensday night. I'm no closer to having a room with a working ethernet port. I just inquired today. Turns out I'm 19th on the waiting list, fortuently that is moving with some speed. Anyway guys I have no method of actively seeking a sub. My ICQ list was burnt away even If I could access the net from my own computer. I will have to leave this to you guys and just hope. I will leave some suggestions to the new player below. I may return at some latter date, but weither you guys want me back is up to you I understand.

New Mongolian Player, Your Situation: You have a large land mass and a strong potiental. You have 2 strong allies in Israel and Australia. However the game is getting to the point where one must look at who is ahead and make hard choices about their civ and relations to others.

The war with the AL is more of an option than oppertunity at the point the Israelies are no longer at war with them. But things seem shaky make sure what is going on before you play, peace or not. Don't end up fighting alone. Not to say that the AL could not be destroyed alone, its just questionable now if a long(er) war with them is what the Mongolian player needs at this point. Mongolia can live with what they have if the AL is ready to give up and look else where instead of grabbing onto a vendetta that will end in an Australian victory.

Watch Israel if they make peace with their neighbors. Unfortuent side effect is the alliance with Mongolia becomes less important.

Be weary of Australia. Unchecked they shall prevail. Ask the Australians what they have done for you lately, but don't be completely stupid. You are Australias force on the Contienent, use this to your advantage, but don't let the Aussies walk away free.

Closely watch your land boarders with Israel and China, this is where you are most vunrable to sneak attack in the age of howies. The rail connection to Russia is largely destroyed, if war is not persued keep it that way and blow up the road, put up fortresses in that region and on other boarders.

If the war ends, try some roads, irrigation, WLTPD and auqaducts / sewer systems. Don't forget the auto enginner trick out the the middile of the contient. Couldn't hurt if theres no where to fight.

Persue nukes, submarines, and submarines carring nukes. Build up the Navy in general. You will find I have already planned some cities for the Naval building process, but you will have to expand on this. There is no SDI, humans can't find subs without special units, and a large fleet of subs a few with nukes, a few without....with a surface fleet is near unstopable force. This will give you political leveage in the end game as well as a MAD deterant.

That is about it. In closing, fight the AL only as long as Israel does. If they will quit here, fine. Watch your boarders. Build up the country a bit, build a navy. Play smart...you are a #3 player and the #2 and #1 players don't connect by land to you. A strange, but good situation, but you still must watch yourself, players who feel they can't win may attack you just to gain a few ranks before they ultimately lose. In my opinion some important alliances must be made or strenthend to insure Monglia is amongst those who last the whole end game.

And of course if the world screws you over nuke the bastards, all of them.

The Capo · August 22, 2001, 20:12

"Dearest" Rasputin. I had no idea that Little Man Syndrom included symptoms resulting in loss of eyesight. Because if it does I must remind you to please either (A) Actually read my post, or (B) Not fly off the handle when you incorrectly do so.

If you read my post Parliament agreed to the peace treaty, how you misconstrued this for a continuation of aggression is beyond me and hopefully anyone who has mastered the English language.

Simply because not all of our Members of Parliament agreed to make peace does not mean that I as leader of the nation, or the nation wishes to continue the war. I don't know how things are in the "FDP" but in Europe there are individuals with individual ideas and thoughts, we don't shoot them when they don't agree with everyone else.

So Rasputin, to reiderate, you are going to retain the peace deal, I can't see how you possibly got any other idea out of my post, I thought it was well written enough.

Peace (do you know what that means or do I have to whip out my dictionary?)

The Capo · August 22, 2001, 20:34

The state dinner was quite possibly the most elaborate in Europe's history, perhaps even the world's. Amsterdam was the leading city vying for the home of the EU's capital, and a large feast was thrown by its Governor Luis Van Der Jagt in order to gain the support of the assembled Members of Parliament...

"Did you hear the news?" asked Carlomagne Toulouse, an MP from France "According to early reports FDP soldiers have turned around and are heading back into Venice."

"Are you certain sir? That makes no sense." asked Winston Churchill the Majority (Dove) Party leader.

"That's what I've heared, there is footage and everything on the news, an emergency meeting has been announced for tomorrow." he replied.

"When did you hear of this?" asked Churchill.

"Just a few moments ago, a page from Pagniacci came to me and told me personally, I'm sure the same will happen for you." he said as he took a sip of his wine.

"Well that's just insanity!" exclaimed Churchill taking another large sip of his Vodka "How can the FDP possibly back out on our treaty I don't understand."

"From what I've heared there was some sort of miscommunication, possibly a mistranslation of our meeting yesterday. We have spies in our midst, inept spies, but spies none the less." he chuckled.

"I see no humor here Mr. Toulouse, we don't know how harshly these people are being treated by the Jews. But if you are correct, if this is a miscommunication how embarassing it must be for Israel." said Churchill, taking yet another large sip.

"Its not too important, they are gaining their peace, they have no other reason for discourse, this is their mistake not ours. Oh yes, have you met my wife Martha?" he said as she approached and shook Churchill's hand.

"A pleasure to finally meet you Mr. Churchill." she smiled.

"The pleasure is all mine Madame." he said as he finished his vodka "Another please!" he asked of the waiter.

"My word Mr. Churchill, you smell of alcohol." she remarked.

"That's what happens when you drink it Madame." he replied as the waiter handed him another.

"I've heared stories about you before, your reputation has preceded you." she said.

"Well what have you heared Madame?" he asked, taking another sip.

"That, no offense, you were a drunkard Mr. Churchill, and from the looks of things you seem to be drunk right now." she said as she laughed.

"Well Madame Toulouse, that may be so. But you are ugly, and I shall be sober in the morning. Adieu." he slowly walked away towards the tables as Enzo Pagniacci walked into the room with Commander Antonio DeNucci...

"I told you sir, they can't be trusted, they're marching back into Venice now, did you know that?" said DeNucci.

"I've heared the news Tony, yes I am aware." said Pagniacci as he screened the room "Where is Curchill?"

"Doesn't look like he's here, how could you miss the fat bastard?" Tony replied.

"Sir, I advise that we send a force into the area to counterbalance this latest insurrection, I mean how could this possibly be the work of a peaceful nation?" asked Tony.

"Tony listen to me. It was a complete misunderstanding, how they could have possibly developed the notion that we are going back on our original deal is beyond me, however I am sure once we speak with them they will be more than assured that they will get their peace, especially when we come through with the deal, which we will, it was signed into law for Christ's sake!" he said "Where the hell is that man?"

"Prime Minister!" said an English voice from behind them "How do you do on this fine eve!" it was Winston Churchill.

"Ahh yes, just the man I've been looking for." said Pagniacci as he shook Churchill's hand "I would've sent my page, but I felt a man of your political stature must have the honor of a more personal meeting. Have you-"

"Yes Prime Minister, I have been told by the wiley French that our good friends in Jerusalem are getting antsy towards our peace. Clearly it must be a misunderstanding, and if it isn't well, I don't know maybe they are as stupid as we once believed." he said polishing off another drink.

"Mr. Churchill." said DeNucci as he extended his hand.

"And who, might I ask is this dashing young soldier?" said Churchill as he shook DeNucci's hand.

"Antonio DeNucci sir, Commander of Eurokorp's Russian detatchment, a pleasure to finally meet you sir." he replied.

"Ah yes, well I must say you've met me in quite the position" he leaned forward and then whispered "I am somewhat enebriated at the moment."

"Ah that's fine Mr. Churchill, in times like these some good old fashioned enebriation would do us all a lot of good." he said as Churchill laughed a little too loudly.

"Yes it is Winston, I am going to meet with Van Der Jagt in a moment to discuss placement of the buildings, would you like to join me?" asked Pagniacci.

"Yes sir, let me have another drink, its easier to deal with the Dutch under these pretenses..."

drake · August 22, 2001, 20:47

"Did you read this Jula? The Israeli fools have once again run their dirty mouths when they should have kept them shut! Though our Alliance has, for reasons I still don't understand, attempted to make peace with those vermin, they have once again looked for a reason to prolong war! I am so sick of them Jula! The EU has bent over backwards trying to placate those dirty towelheads and now they go and lose their temper over something they had no right to. The people want to see Israel pounded into the ground Jula, they believe you are getting too soft. Perhaps new leadership is in order!" General Shakeem had gone into a rage.

"General, get a hold of yourself right now! The Zulus are not, and have never been an aggressive people! Let this situation cool down and I believe the peace process can be put back into order. The Israelis are paranoid, and rightly so. We must but strong with them, but patient as well. If we play it too rough now, there will never be peace between our nations, and believe me, none of us want that! So cool it general! Go to Madagascar for a few days to relax and clear your mind. I need you stable! Do you understand?!" Kamma scolded the General, who was beginning to calm down.

"Yes Jula I understand."Shakeem said.

He was calming down but still angry......

He left the room mumbling.......
"Your time is coming Kamma...your time is coming....."

Rasputin · August 22, 2001, 20:54

Said too much !!!!! I am sorry

Rasputin · August 22, 2001, 21:12

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Originally posted by The Capo

"I now call into order this first session of the European Parliament, on this day March 15th 1520. I will now call upon the assembled Chiefs of Staff to update us on our situation following the cease fire with the FDP

didnt relaise our discussion early this week was only for a cease fire, i had alreasy acknowledged a full peace treaty .

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and prior to our official signing of peace. General Adriana Alessi shall fill us in, General." said Enzo as Adriana stood up to the podium.

"Great Parliament of Europe, now that the Israeli armies have left their posts it has given us the opportunity to finally see what we have lost during the war. The cities of Khazar and Novokazalinsk have been taken by Israel, the cities of Bosporus, Bucharest and Athens have been taken by Israel.

you failed to list the city of venice[quote] In the Americas the cities of Nuovo Monaco, San Luigi and Richmond have been taken as well by the Mali-Israeli coalition. The Mongolians have taken Orsoni and Savona, but have yet to impede accross the Ural mountains. That is the update on lost territory, which is considerably less than what we had initially believed. This leads the Joint Chiefs to ask this Parliament to renegotiate our current peace with the FDP. We feel that we are not in a position to be forced into peace." just then she was interrupted by Lars Engleberger of Austria.

"General Alessi, you have come to this assembly to ask that we go back on our initial deal to the Israelites and say that we feel we shouldn't accept these terms simply because we've found that our position isn't that bad. Our national capital, Venice, has been retaken yes,[quote] NO , the FDP cureently hold Slovakia

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but how long will it be until we again are ran out of our ancestral homeland" said the Dove MP from Vienna "Surely we can't allow this war to continue, Israel or the FDP or whatever they wish to call themselves now will surely take offense."

damn right after all the compromisng we both went thru to acheive peace in the first place...

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"With all due respect Mr. Engleberger, it is not our place to appease this nation. If they wish for peace they can have it, the Joint Chiefs have no issue there, however we are not in a position of total loss, the Eurokorps forces being assembled under Prime Minister Paganiacci's plan should be quite apt to retake this land. I believe that it is your concern for your home Vienna that leads you to want a quick peace." she retorted.

"No ma'am, it is my concern for my home EUROPE that leads me towards an expediate peace. This is nonsense, we are making further powerplays when we are clearly a defeated nation." he said as he sat down.

"That is what this assembly is here to determine. I am merely explaining that our initial idea is incorrect, in the face of these new facts we should renegotiate our position, the loss of our entire colonial empire is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous based on these latest facts. That is what the Joint Chiefs believe, we are quite assured that a victory over the FDP would not be ruled out, thus we should agree to nothing resembling a surrender." at this point the MP from Spain, Julio Cerebro stood up.

"I agree with the General, how can we simply bow down to these threats from Israel? They are nothing! They took advantage of us when we were down, these Jews are not to be trusted!" he barked.

"I take offense Mr. Cerebro" said the MP from Poland, Loni Wisniewski "My state has many Jewish Poles, a vast number of which have joined the ranks of these armed forces. Religion is clearly not an issue, if it where we would not be clashing in this manner. However I must agree, I believe that a new negotiation should occur, one that this Parliament agrees with. Not one that Klamens Metternich and Enzo Pagniacci wish for."

"Order please!" said Prime Minister Pagniacci as he hit his gavel on the podium "Gentlemen, we must not bicker over petty details. That very issue is what we have come to discuss, the Parliament must decide the proper course of events here. The FDP in so many words have agreed to a trade of cities, one for one.

no that was never agreed, it was return of all of Europe for all of your colonies outside of Europe, except the one in Zula land of course

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I suggest we attempt to keep some of our colonies since this is how it will occur. We could realistically keep the province of Mantucci and still regain our lost European territories. General, have you any more to say?"

"Yes sir, I have much more. Our Military has taken an impressive blow from the war. As far as artillery based garrisons we have next to nothing, infantry is low as well and our naval capability is nearly non existant. We are hurting, our former Commander in Chief Henrick Heimmler did nothing for this nation and although he was able to retake Venice, that's about as much as he could do. Our defenses there are shoddy as well to say the least. Other than the latest edict by Prime Minister Pagniacci, the Eurokorps plan, we've got no real capability." she said somberly there was no reaction from the assembly.

"Thank you General. The next order of business is our current situation with the FDP. We have a treaty to put the finishing touches on, here is what is currently suggested by my staff; Bucharest, Athens and Bosporus are top priorities. That's already three cities we owe the FDP. For this we will give them all of Mexico, our remaining two colonies we will keep. That will be the peace treaty. We shall now vote on this, to be known as EUPR - 2. Voting will commense in ten minutes..."

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Votes on EUPR - 2

Yes - 102

No - 68

Vote in favor of passage. EUPR - 2; Peace treaty with Israel turning over the province of Mexico and Nuova Italia to the FDP. Effectively ends the southern front of World War 2 in Europe.

This represnts a breaking of our agrement that was discussed early in week. I cnat bleeive you would go back on an agreeemtn that ws so hard fought for by both sides as we endevoured to cros sthe great divide that separates our two nations. A peace agreemnt is broken when one side fails to comply wit htheir side of the agreement , you have lessened the offer, therefore you broke peace, Once again the FDP (formely Israelis) have shown they never break agreemtns or get aggresive until agreemtns are broken by others. You hav etotally changed your opinions as stated in ICQ . Which reaaly disapoints me as I was hoping to form astrong Europe/FDP partnership to rebuild together from our hated war, much in the same way that Mali/Israel partnered to strenght after our wars....

So please showe me where my eyesight was wrong i nreading you have throwen out our agreed position !!!

Please dont clal me names and revert to such trash , I called you Dear Capo as a friend not in a bleittlement....

Rasputin · August 22, 2001, 22:42

Again said too much !!! Sorry

belinda9 · August 23, 2001, 00:16

aww geez Raz....
what difference does it make? so you lost 1/2 a turn and I lost a 1/2 turn -- just pick it up from wherever it is. So you did stuff that's not done...we believe you. You could just go back and redo it all or you can factor that in and just pick up where it is you guys both want to be on the other side of the peace treaty.
It would seem to me the major question in this whole diplo packet is who's supposed to be ending up with what where? If you agree exactly on what that is (off the same save, whatever that might be) then who cares? Just go on. Personally out of the last two sessions we've played I can say I've gotten ONE turn that "counted" in the final save. why go backwards? It's still your turn we start back up -- you can either redo what you did before or you can act like the treaty will come into efffect and adjust for that.
whining and namecalling doesn't make for great diplomacy all around. jeez, I'm already having to put up with the Nazi graphic crap from two different civs here; can't we just go on and try to get this game _somewhere_ instead of replaying crap over and over? if we all got the same save and that's the one I gave my sub then we should play it from there. everyone adjust (hey, I did stuff, too, before my turn froze up but I ain't whining about it)