OCC fortnight #13 - discussion and logs

[Paul]

As I mentioned in the occ12 thread vik sent me a scenario for occ13. Download it here.

[Scouse Gits]

I'll be there - got to finish #12 first - what a slog I'm making of it 1864 just researching Combustion, but top of the tree with an enormous non-army and everyone else still in Monarchy!!


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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Tom DeMille]

SG1, the AI is stuck in Monarchy, just as you are stuck in Fundamentalism. I purposefully switched all the AIs out of despotism before saving out the scenario.

[Scouse Gits]

Thanks for that Tom - I've been sh*tting myself thinking what will happen when the English or French switch to a representative government (or even Commie) and their research rockets - hence the large army and the even larger Spy Corps in reserve for that fateful day ....
Cool:

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[tonic]

Tom, a quick clarification on the AI govt. fix in OCC12 - it's not Monarchy all the way through is it? I was having the trouble in my game because there were two Democracies and two Republics from the mid-game onwards!

[Tom DeMille]

Tonic, I set all of them to Monarchy initially, and assumed that since I was forbidden to switch governments, they would be too. They all stayed Monarchy in my game, but maybe they have the same option as you do when they trade for a government advance - a one time chance at revolution.

So SG1, you might still have to contend with a Democracy or two.

[Tom DeMille]

Good setup Vik. I expect your intention was for our reputation to take a beating so that diplomatic relations would suffer for the rest of the game. My reputation fell to dishonorable until 880AD, when it changed to questionable. With my bad reputation, AIs refused to form alliances with me. I started to prepare for a build up of my military by building a diplomat in 950BC (a secondary purpose of this was to bribe a boat). In the end bribing a bunch of NONE units for defence proved unneccessary.

Strangely, when I switched to Republic, I was able to form alliances with all 4 AIs I had contact with. This made the rest of the game pretty straightforward. It took me a while to get all my land improved, but once done I had plenty of gold coming in with 1 advance every 2 turns. I was even able to keep up that advance rate after flight.

v242, deity

3950BC - chariot (hut)
Bronze Working (Persians destroyed)
Ceremonial Burial (Vikings destroyed)
Alphabet, Code of Laws (Carthaginians destroyed)
Sioux destroyed
founded Cardiff
3900BC - Monarchy! (hut)
3850BC - switched to Monarchy
3800BC - 50 gold (hut)
3700BC - built warrior
3500BC - Mysticism (hut), built warrior
3300BC - archers NONE (hut), built warrior
3250BC - chariot NONE (hut), peace with Indians
3200BC - archers NONE (hut)
3150BC - built Temple, Pottery (hut)
3050BC - Warrior Code (Japanese), peace with Japanese, barbarians (hut)
3000BC - barbarians (hut), 50 gold (hut)
2700BC - 100 gold & peace with Spanish
2650BC - 25 gold (Indians, Japanese)
2450BC - barbarians (hut)
2350BC - Currency (hut)
2150BC - Trade
2050BC - 50 gold (Japanese)
2000BC - built Colossus
1800BC - built Gems caravan
1500BC - built Hides caravan
1450BC - Writing, 50 gold (Indians, Japanese), 25 gold (Spanish)
Germans - Masonry, 100 gold, peace
1400BC - 168 gold - 1st trade route (Dye to Madrid), 150 gold (barbarian ransom), built wine caravan, disband warrior
1350BC - built Library
1300BC - Map Making, Feudalism (Spanish)
share maps with Spanish and Germans
1250BC - built Marketplace
1050BC - 56 gold - 2nd trade route (Hides to Madrid)
1000BC - begin WLTKD (pop is 6), 44 gold - 3rd trade route (Wine to Seville)
950BC - Construction, built diplomat
share maps with Japanese
900BC - Mathematics (Germans), Iron Working (Spanish)
825BC - Legion NONE (hut)
800BC - 50 gold (Japanese), 25 gold (Spanish), 100 gold (Indians)
750BC - Literacy
600BC - 128 gold (Hides to Toledo), 50 gold (hut, Indians)
525BC - Philosophy, The Republic, revolution, siwtched to The Republic, Legion NONE (hut), begin WLTCD (pop is 6)
500BC - built Colosseum, 140 gold (Hides to Toledo), disband warrior
475BC - built Aqueduct, disband warrior, 184 gold (Hides to Osaka)
Alliance with Japanese, Spanish, Germans, Indians
425BC - 172 gold (Hides to Toledo)
400BC - Astronomy
375BC - built Copernicus' Observatory, sold colosseum
350BC - end WLTCD (pop is 12)
300BC - Medicine
200BC - The Wheel
175BC - Seafaring & 100 gold (Spanish), 75 gold (Japanese), 50 gold (Germans), 25 gold (Indians)
75BC - Engineering, sold temple
50BC - built Sakespeare's Theatre
40AD - Sanitation, begin WLTCD (pop is 12)
60AD - built Sewer System
100AD - built settler
120AD - end WLTCD (pop is 15), 250 gold (from AIs)
140AD - University
180AD - built University
220AD - Bridge Building
260AD - Navigation (Spanish), 175 gold (from AIs)
280AD - Theory of Gravity, Bribed Greek Trireme
300AD - Chemistry (Indians)
Greeks - Polytheism, peace, share maps
360AD - Invention, begin WLTCD (pop is 16)
420AD - end WLTCD (pop is 18)
460AD - Banking
480AD - built Sir Isaac Newton's College
500AD - Democracy, revolution
520AD - built Bank, disband settler
540AD - switched to Democracy, built spice caravan
Americans - peace, share maps
560AD - begin WLTPD (pop is 18), 175 gold (from allies)
600AD - Gunpowder, war with greeks
620AD - size 21
640AD - Explosives, end WLTPD (pop is 22)
660AD - 220 gold (spice to Toledo), built Engineer
680AD - Economics, Physcis (Spanish)
700AD - built Engineer
720AD - Magnetism
760AD - Metallurgy
800AD - Electricity
840AD - Refrigeration
860AD - built supermarket
880AD - Steam Engine, alliance with Americans (reputation has changed from dishonorable to questionable), 300 gold (from allies)
920AD - Railroad
960AD - Industrialization, 142 gold (spice to Barcelona)
980AD - begin WLTPD (pop is 20)
1000AD - The Corporation, 200 gold (allies), 150 gold (wine to Satsuma)
1020AD - built Engineer
1040AD - Steel, peace with Greeks
1060AD - built Darwin's Voyage, Refining, Combustion, Conscription (Americans), Chivalry (Greeks)
1100AD - Automobile, sell sewer system
1120AD - build superhighways, end WLTPD (pop is 25), sell aqueduct
1140AD - Electronics
1180AD - Leadership
1220AD - Tactics, Atomic Theory (Indians)
1260AD - Machine Tools
1300AD - Miniturization
1340AD - Mass Production, 1074 gold (Cloth to Washington)
1360AD - Computers
1380AD - Mobile Warfare
1400AD - Robotics, built Factory, 494 gold (Spice to Barcelona)
1420AD - Flight, built Hydro Plant, 765 gold (Wine to Washington)
1440AD - Radio
1480AD - Advanced Flight
1510AD - Rocketry
1530AD - Space Flight
1540AD - Apollo Program, disband 3rd Engineer
1550AD - Plastics
1580AD - Nuclear Fission
1610AD - Nuclear Power
1640AD - The Laser
1670AD - Superconductor
1700AD - Nuclear Power
1750AD - Stealth
1756AD - Launch 15-3-3-1-1-1 spaceship
built a bunch of defensive units, but they were'nt needed
1758AD - Communism
1771AD - Landing on AC



[This message has been edited by Tom DeMille (edited July 17, 2000).]

[vik]

Tom,

That's pretty cool you managed to get some workable alliances. Although I fear once again I have submitted a scenario that will be doubly difficult for the MPGE players.

It seems like (you and me, anyways) have evolved our scenarios into taking one important OCC aspect away. Last time, you took WeLuv and the extra trade arrows out of it, this time I took away your spotless reputation. Earlier, I tried to take away contact (for as long as possible) and trade routes. It's pretty interesting.

Luckily, when I test played, the spanish always built a city two squares south of my southern rock. That way, I could post a sentry there and not violate his city squares. I was able to bribe several barbs that went to attack this city. Cheap NON units.

take care.

[Tom DeMille]

quote: It seems like (you and me, anyways) have evolved our scenarios into taking one important OCC aspect away.

Yes, although for me it's a matter of just making the scenario "different".

Speaking of which, I've just thought up my next scenario. It will involve only a single AI opponent (with no restarting dead civs). Kind of the opposite of the current scenario where you have to kill off 4 neighbours right away. This time, if you kill the AI civ off the game ends.

I'm going to play the game through to see if Raging Hordes produces too many barbarians for the AI civ to handle. Might have to lower the barb activity in this one.

[Scouse Gits]

Well -- I refused to play the game and migrated to an alternative site to the East - result - a fairly abysmal game, but I enjoyed it after the monster slog of FOCC
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"Boxed in" OCC - v2.42 - deity

Monarchy -1250
Republic -125
Democracy 860

Colossus -1100
Copernicus 280
Shakespeare 580
Newton 980
Darwin 1300
Apollo 1790

AC 1853

Trade#1 -425
Trade#2 -275
Trade#3 -200

Size 12 120
Size 21 720

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Comments: Moral dilemma on turn 1 - this could be the shortest ever OCC I have ever played, but I'm not going to take out four civs at 3950BC - [self-justification]it's not the greatest starting site anyway [/self-justification]. The hut is East so we go East ...
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3950 hut: Warrior Code; Bronze Working & Ceremonial Burial from our friends
3900 Sioux: Alphabet & Code of Laws + Alliance;
3700 found river complex with Whale, Silk, blank & ?
3550 hut: Chariot
3500 hut: Writing
3400 Settlers arrive at potential city site Whale, 2*Silk + 3 river squares not bad, but is it good enough???; hut: Archers
3350 Its going to have to be: Liverpool FOUNDED
3250 hut: 50g; hut: Currency
3150 hut: 25g; now I find a 2 Whale, 2 Wheat, 6 river square site - such is life!
2750 hut: Archers (Liverpool)
2700 Library
2200 hut: 100g
2000 Japanese: The Wheel & Horseback Riding
1350 Monarchy; Revolution
1250 MONARCHY
1100 COLOSSUS; Spanish: Alliance, 50g
0900 Japanese: Alliance, 200g
0875 Marketplace
0750 TRADE; hut: 50g
0725 Temple; hut: 100g
0700 allies: 100g
0650 allies: 100g
0425 DYE to MADRID: 76g
0400 hut: Horsemen
0375 allies: Map Making, Iron Working
0350 allies: 400g
0300 allies: 325g
0275 SILK to PERSEPOLIS: 96g
0225 allies: 50g
0200 GEMS to LITTLE BIGHORN: 132g; Philosophy -> The Republic; Revolution
0150 allies: 100g
0125 REPUBLIC
0100 WLCD starts @ 4; allies: 25g
0050 Colosseum
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AD20 Aqueduct;
0040 Size 8
0120 Astronomy; allies: 125g + War with Sioux & Carthage; WLCD stops @ 12
0200 allies: Bridge Building & 150g; Hides to Toledo: 140g
0240 Astronomy; Hides to Toledo: 140g; Vikings dissolve alliance
0280 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY
0300 Hides to Toledo: 140g
0340 allies: 50g
0420 Engineering; allies: 25g
0500 Beads to Madrid: 104g; allies: 75g
0520 Sanitation
0540 Sewage System; WLCD starts @ 12
0580 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE; allies: Invention
0600 allies: 50g
0640 Gems to Madrid: 210g
0660 allies: 50g
0680 Seafaring
0720 WLCD ends @ 21; allies: 100g
0740 Banking
0780 Bank
0800 allies: 200g
0820 Democracy; Revolution
0860 Democracy established; allies: 250g
0900 Gunpowder
0920 allies: 175g
0940 Theory of Gravity
0960 Coal to Madrid: 74g
0980 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE; Chemistry; allies: 300g
1020 Explosives
1100 Navigation; allies: 200g
1140 Physics
1180 Steam Engine; Dye to Madrid: 150g
1200 allies: Polytheism & 200g
1220 Railroad
1260 Magnetism; allies: 250g
1300 DARWIN'S VOYAGE -> Electricity, REFRIGERATION
1320 allies: 150g
1340 Supermarket; Economics; Coal to Passargadae: 88g
1360 WLPD starts @ 19; Silver to Trondheim: 127g; allies: 150g
1400 Industrialisation
1420 allies: 150g
1440 WLPD stops @ 23
1460 The Corporation
1480 allies: 175g
1500 Refining
1510 Gold to Seville: 142g
1520 Combustion; allies: Feudalism + 125g
1580 Stock Exchange; AUTOMOBILE;
1590 Silver to Cordoba: 154g
1600 Electronics; Superhighways
1660 allies: Communism & 100g; Silver to Cordoba: 445g
1720 WLPD starts @ 23
1752 Miniaturisation; WLPD stops @ 27
1754 Offshore Platform
1756 COMPUTERS
1758 Silver to Cordoba: 465g; Research Laboratory
1764 Factory; Robotics
1768 Power Plant; Flight
1770 allies: Monotheism + 400g
1776 Manufacturing Plant; Advanced Flight
1782 Rocketry
1788 SPACE FLIGHT
1790 APOLLO PROGRAM; allies: Atomic Theory + 450g
1794 Structural#2; Plastics
1800 Structural#4: Component#1; Nuclear Fission
1806 Structural#4: Component#4; Nuclear Power
1812 Structural#5: Component#6; The Laser
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The Japanese have just taken out the Carthaginians, the Persians, the Vikings and the Sioux on consecutive turns!!!
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1820 Structural#9: Component#6; Superconductor; allies: 50g
1826 Structural#9: Component#6: Module#3; Fusion Power
1834 Stealth
1836 LAUNCH 15:3:3:1:1:1 for 1853
Much to my surprise the alliances held
1853 landed AC



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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Tom DeMille]

SG1, it never occured to me to avoid the starting site, not kill off my neighbours, and go looking for an alternative site.

I guess deep down I'm a bloodthirsty warmonger .

[Paul]

I landed in 1815. Not bad considering that I didn't get Monarchy from a hut in 3900 BC (lucky Tom ) and three of the four civs I killed restarted away from the main continent.

To me the thought did occur to let them live, but with the four wheat (minable to silk) this looked like the intended starting site. Besides, I didn't know if there would be any other decent city sites nearby.

AC: 1815

Monarchy: -1450
Republic: -25
Democracy: 940

Colossus: -1800
Copernicus: 220
Shakespeare: 400
Newton: 860
Darwin: 1510
Apollo: 1752

Trade routes: -375, -325, -275

Size 12: 120
Size 21: 740

Trade: -700
Construction: -275
Sanitation: 500
Refrigeration: 1240
Automobile: 1510
Computers: 1610
Space Flight: 1750


3950 BC Hut: Masonry
Vikings: trade Ceremonial Burial
Persians: trade Bronze Working
Carthaginians: trade Code of Laws, Alphabet
Destroy Vikings, Persians, Carthaginians, Sioux
Cardiff
3800 BC Hut: Warrior Code
3750 BC Hut: Barbarians
3700 BC Warrior
3600 BC Spanish: trade Pottery; peace
Hut: 25 gold
2550 BC Hut: Archer
3450 BC Warrior
Hut: 50 gold
3350 BC Hut: Writing
3300 BC Japanese: peace
3000 BC Hut: Barbarians
2750 BC Hut: 50 gold
2200 BC Japanese: trade Iron Working
Spanish: tribute 50 gold
1850 BC Japanese: tribute 25 gold
Spanish: tribute 50 gold
1800 BC Colossus
Hut: Horsemen
1600 BC Monarchy, revolution
1450 BC Gov: Monarchy
Japanese: tribute 50 gold
Spanish: tribute 50 gold
1400 BC Library
1150 BC Granary
975 BC Currency
Hut: 50 gold
Japanese: tribute 50 gold
Spanish: trade Horseback Riding
950 BC Marketplace
875 BC Spanish: alliance; gift 100 gold
Japanese: alliance; gift Map Making
850 BC Temple
825 BC Japanese: share maps
800 BC Spanish: share maps
725 BC Hut: Chariot
700 BC Trade
Hut: Seafaring
675 BC Build Gems Caravan
Hut: 50 gold
650 BC Hut: 25 gold
625 BC Build Hides Caravan
550 BC Hut: Feudalism
500 BC Hut: 50 gold
475 BC Build Wine Caravan
375 BC Mysticism
Gems to Toledo (demanded): 162 gold
350 BC Build Hides Caravan
Spanish: trade Literacy; share maps
325 BC Hides to Kyoto (not demanded): 64 gold
300 BC Build Hides Caravan
Greeks: peace; share maps
275 BC Construction
Wine to Madrid (not demanded): 62 gold
250 BC Build Cloth Caravan
Hut: Barbarians
200 BC Build Hides Caravan
Japanese: share maps; gift 75 gold
Spanish: share maps; gift 125 gold
150 BC Build Hides Caravan
Hides to Madrid (demanded): 124 gold
100 BC Colosseum
75 BC Republic, revolution
Japanese: gift 200 gold
Greeks: war
50 BC Build Hides Caravan
Sold Granary
25 BC Gov: Republic
Start WLTCD, size 6
1 AD Aqueduct
20 AD Hides to Valencia (demanded): 160 gold
40 AD Build Hides Caravan
80 AD Build Hides Caravan
120 AD Build Hides Caravan
Mathematics
End WLTCD, size 12
Sold Colosseum
Cloth to Osaka (not demanded): 130 gold
140 AD Hides to Madrid (not demanded): 116 gold
180 AD Hides to Madrid (not demanded): 116 gold
Allies: share maps
200 AD Astronomy
Hides to Madrid (not demanded): 116 gold
Japanese: gift 50 gold
Spanish: gift 125 gold
Greeks: cease fire
220 AD Copernicus' Observatory
Hides to Madrid (not demanded): 116 gold
Greeks: war
240 AD Spanish: trade Philosophy; gift 250 gold
Hut: Elephant
260 AD Build Gems Caravan
280 AD Medicine
Hides to Madrid (not demanded): 120 gold
300 BC Build Dye Caravan
Sold Temple
320 AD Japanese: gift 100 gold
360 AD Wheel
Japanese: gift 50 gold
380 AD Japanese: gift 100 gold
400 AD Shakespeare's Theatre
420 AD Greeks: war
460 AD Engineering
480 AD Hides to Osaka (not demanded): 136 gold
Dye to Madrid (demanded): 272 gold
Start WLTCD, size 12
500 AD Sanitation
Bribe Japanese Trireme: 154 gold
Spanish: gift 125 gold
Greeks: peace
520 AD Sewer System
540 AD French: war
560 AD Build Gold Caravan
600 AD Build Gems Caravan
University
620 AD Spanish: gift 250 gold
French: cease fire; trade Banking; share maps
640 AD University
680 AD Bank
Theory of Gravity
Hut: Barbarians
Japanese: gift 25 gold
740 AD End WLTCD, size 21
Spanish: trade Bridge Building
780 AD Economics
800 AD Japanese: gift 150 gold
Spanish: gift 125 gold
Greeks: war
French: peace
840 AD Invention
Spanish: gift 150 gold
860 AD Isaac Newton's College
Americans: peace
880 AD Chemistry
900 AD Build Spice Caravan
920 AD Democracy
Gold to Valencia (demanded): 288 gold
Bribe French Trireme: 188 gold
Revolution
French: war
Americans: trade Chivalry
940 AD Gov: Democracy
960 AD Stock Exchange
Bank sold (not enough money)
Spanish: trade Navigation; share maps
Greeks: cease fire; share maps
French: cease fire; share maps
980 AD Gunpowder
Gems to Lyons (demanded): 676 gold
French: peace
Greeks: peace
1000 AD Bank
1020 AD Explosives
Hut: 50 gold
Japanese: gift 25 gold
1040 AD Engineer
Hut: 100 gold
1060 AD Physics
Japanese: gift 50 gold
1080 AD Engineer
1100 AD Barbarian Leader: 150 gold
Start WLTPD, size 19
1120 AD Metallurgy
Japanese: gift 100 gold
1160 AD Magnetism
Spice to Madrid (demanded): 279 gold
1180 AD Indians: peace; share maps
End WLTPD, size 22
1200 AD Build Dye Caravan
Electricity
French: trade Leadership
Spanish: gift 125 gold
1240 AD Refrigeration
1260 AD Supermarket
1280 AD Steam Engine
Japanese: gift 50 gold
Americans: share maps
1300 AD Engineer
1320 AD Railroad
1340 AD Engineer
1360 AD Industrialization
1400 AD Corporation
1460 AD Factory
Steel
1500 AD Build Cloth Freight
Refining
French: war
Spanish: gift Atomic Theory
1510 AD Darwin's Voyage: Combustion, Automobile
Start WLTPD, size 20
1520 AD Superhighways
Electronics
Dye to Bangalore (demanded): 970 gold
1530 AD Mass Production
Japanese: trade Conscription; gift 50 gold
1550 AD Tactics
1570 AD Machine Tools
1580 AD Japanese: gift Polytheism
Spanish: gift 200 gold
End WLTPD, size 28
Sold Sewer System
1590 AD Miniaturization
1610 AD Computers
Sold Aqueduct
1620 AD Research Lab
Hut: 100 gold
1630 AD Mobile Warfare
1640 AD Power Plant
1650 AD Robotics
1670 AD Flight
1690 AD Radio
1710 AD Manufacturing Plant
Advanced Flight
Gold to Delphi (demanded): 324 gold
1730 AD Rocketry
1750 AD Space Flight
1752 AD Apollo Program
1756 AD Plastics
1762 AD Nuclear Fission
1768 AD Nuclear Power
1774 AD Laser
1780 AD Superconductor
1786 AD Fusion Power
1792 AD Communism
1798 AD Guerilla Warfare
1800 AD Launch
1801 AD Barracks
Labor Union
1803 AD Recycling
1805 AD Mass Transit
Environmentalism
1806 AD Sold Power Plant
1807 AD Solar Plant
1808 AD SAM
1809 AD Japanese: cancel alliance
1815 AD Arrival at Alpha Centauri

[geofelt]

In the opening hut, I got 25 gold, so I decided to escape. I found a decent site, but it had defense problems. I got an alliance with the spanish who soon dominated the world. As soon as I got space flight, they attacked, and I could not survive.

[Smash]

I think I may have had an OCC 1st.For me anyhow.Due to a cursed Japanese destroyer sneak attack,I lost my 2 engineers late.The result was global warming.Rather embarrasing,when you think my 1 city threw the world into catastrophic climate changes resulting in world wide famine.

I actually thought I was going to be destroyed late by the evil Japanese but I managed to squeak thru.


3950-destroy Vikings-Burial-destroy Souix-Alphabet-destory Carths-Code of Laws-destroy Persians-Bronze Working-hut-chariot-Cardiff founded
3900-hut 25 gold
3800-warrior-start Collosus
3750-hut-Horseback Riding
3700-hut-horseman-NON-hut-archer-supported
3650-contact Spain-peace-gift all
3500-hut-Monarchy-revolt-hut-Pottery
3450-govt-Monarchy-contact Japan-gift all-Monarchy to Spain
3250-hut-50 gold
3200-contact Mongols-gift all-peace
3150-hut-Map Making-gift to all 3-only Spain won’t share maps
3100-hut-archer-NON
2850-hut-barb horseman-terminated
2550-tribute Japan 50-Spain 100-Mongols 25
2400-hut-100 gold
2300-tribute-Mongols 50
2250-Collosus-wheat>silk
2150-hut-50 gold
2050-Writing
2000-library-hut-archer-NON-gift Writing to all
1850-tribute-Mongols 50
1650-Currency-hut-horseman-NON-gift Currency to Japan-
1600-Chinese destroyed by Mongols-least restart is on
1550-contact Germans-trade Writing and Map Making for Masonary and Mysticism-peace-gift all-share maps-
1500-gift Myst to Japan,Spain and Mongols
1450-gift Mason to Japan-trade Germans Currency for Construction
1300-temple
1250-tribute-Japan-50-Spain 50-Mongols 50
1000-Trade
975-gems caravan-trade Mongols Trade for Warrior Code
950-disband warrior
925-wine caravan
900-tribute-Japan-100-Spain 100-Germans-25-Mongols declare war
875-hides caravan-gift Warrior Code to Japan,Germans and Spain-peace with Mongols
850-hut-barb horseman-terminated-gift Trade to Japan,Germany and Spain-share maps with Germans
775-gems arrive in Madrid(demanded)168
750-we love the king-wheat>silk
725-colliseum
675-hides caravan-disband archer-hides arrives in Madrid 76-wine 76
650-Literacy-hides caravan-trade Spain Construction for Math-gift literacy-alliance-Mongols declare war
625-disband horseman-gift Construction,Math and Literacy to Japan-alliance-gift Literacy to Germany-gift Math and Literacy to Mongols-peace
600-hides caravan
550-hides caravan
500-The Republic-revolt
450-gift Republic to all=Math and Construction to Germans-alliance
425-Government-Republic-hides to Valencia(demanded) 96
400-start “we love” size 6-2 hides to Madrid @76
375-Philosophy>Astronomy-”we love” cancelled oops-gift Philosophy to all-Japan gifts 75-Spain 125-hides to Valencia(demanded)108
350-”we love” 7-Mongols declare war
325-aquaduct-disband horseman
300-caravan-disband horseman
275-caravan-disband archer
250-caravan
225-caravan-end “we love” 12-sell colliseum
200-caravan
175-Medicine-Cope’s-Japan gifts 100-Germans 25
125-caravan-Japan gifts 50-Germans 25
100-share maps with Japan and Spain-trade Spain Astronomy for Iron Working
75-The Wheel-caravan-gift Iron to Mongols-ceasefire
50-gift Iron to Japan-receive 50-Astronomy and Iron to Germans-The Wheel to Spain-The Wheel and Astronomy to Mongols
25-caravan-Wheel to Japan and Germans-Germans gift 50
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AD1-Japan gifts 50
20-Engineering-caravan-gift Engineering to all-share maps with Germans
60-caravan-sell temple
80-Shake’s
100-Sanitation-Germans gift 50-Spain 100
120-start “we love” 12
140-sewer system-gift Sanitation to all-Japan gifts 50-Germans 50
220-Banking
240-bank
300-end “we love” 21
320-University-trade Japan Univers for Bridge Building-recieve 50-Banking to Germans-Medicine to Spain receive 75-gift all to Mongols-peace
340-build university
380-Gravity-gold caravan-Japan gifts 50
420-caravan
440-Invention-Spainish cancel alliance-gift Invention to to Japan,Germany and Mongols
460-caravan
500-Democracy-revolt-caravan-
520-gift Astronomy to Japan-receive 50-Mongols declare war Spain declares war
540-Govt-Democracy-caravan-gold arrives in Valencia(demanded)195
560-gift Democracy to Japan and Germany
580-Economics-caravan-various tech gifting-Can’t find Americans-Spain has decided to rid the world of my worthless civilization-Mongols have also decided this
620-caravan
640-Gunpowder
660-caravan
680-Sir Ike’s-Chemistry
720-Explosives-stock exchange-gift GP to all-Chemistry to Spain-ceasefire-ceasefire with Mongols
740-”we love” 21
760-Metallurgy-engineer-disband horseman-Spainish and Mongols declare war-this is getting tired
780-engineer
800-Seafaring-end “we love”21-Japan gifts 100-gift Saefaring to Germany-receive 50
820-cloth caravan
840-Navigation-gift Seafaring and Navigation to Mongols ceasefire-gift metallurgy and Explosives to Spain-ceasefire-Navigation and Metallurgy to Japan-Navigation and Explosives to Germany
860-Spice caravan-Seafaring to Japan-Chemistry to Germany-gift Metallurgy and Explosives to Mongols-Spain declare war-No threat no nothing just a declaration
880-Physics-gfit Physics to all-ceasefire with Spain-peace with Mongols-Japan gifts 100-Germany 50
900-diplomat
920-Magnetism-gift to all
940-caravan
960-Electricity-gift to all
980-caravan
1000-Refrigeration-Japan gifts 100-Germany 50-Spain declares war-trade Mongols Refrigeration for Feudalism
1020-supermarket-gift Feudal to Japan and Germany
1040-Steam Engine-gift Refrig to Japan and Germany
1060-caravan-gift Syeam to all-ceasefire with Spain
1080-Railroad
1100-caravan-Germany gifts 50
1120-Industrialization-cloth arrives in Kyoto 80+new route
1140-caravan-”we love” 21
1180-The Corporation-spice to Kyoto-80+new route
1200-Darwin’s>Steel>Refining-gift RR to all-Japan and Germany each gift 50
1240-Combustion-gold freight-gift Idustrialization to Japan and Germany-Spain and Mongols declare war
1280-Automobile-freight-Indust to Mongols and Spain-ceasefires-end “we love” 27
1320-Electronics-superhighway-sell sewer-Japan and Germany each gift 50
1340-sell aquaduct-share maps with Japan as they report English attack-cant see em-just a lone warrior-share maps with Germans-Washington offshore-no sign of England
1360-Mass Production-freight-Japan gifts 100
1380-bribe Spanish elephant 370-disbanded
1400-Conscription-freight-trade Japan Conscript for Communism-fishin for Chivalry
1420-Germans gift 50
1440-Chivalry-freight-gold to Kyoto 241+new route
1480-Leadership-freight
1510-Tactics-freight-trade Japan Tactics for Atomic Theory-receive 50
1530-Machine Tools-freight
1550-Miniaturization-freight
1570-Computers
1580-research lab
1590-Mobile Warfare
1600-freight=Japan gifts Polytheism-contact Americans-gift a bunch-peace-share maps-contact England-war
1610-Robotics-pay England 50-ceasefire-much gifting-share maps
1620-factory
1630-Flight
1640-power plant-more tech gifting-Germans gift 50
1650-Radio-freight
1660-Spain declares war-freight-bribe Spanish explorer 235
1670-Advanced Flight
1680-Mmanufacturing plant
1690-Rocketry-freight
1710-Space Flight-ceasefire with Spain
1730-Plastics
1740-Apollo
1750-Nuclear Fission
1752-Germans cancel alliance
1754-Nuclear Power
1756-trade Japan Steel for Amphib Warfare-they then cancel alliance
1760-The Laser-England declares war-bribe English chariot 103-disbanded
1766-Superconductor
1770-Japan declares war
1774-bribe japanes calvary 459
1776-Fusion Power-sell research lab
1778-sell university
1780-sell library
1784-bribe Japanese cavalry 450-disbanded
1792-Japan kills my engineers-gonna get dirty
1798-bribe japanes marine 396
1800-bribe English catapult 154
1802-bribe Japanes cannon 394-I’m fightin for my life here
1808-15-3-3-1-1-1 launch-can i hang on ? I may see global warming 7 tiles polluted now
09-alpine troop
10-howitzer-9 tiles now polluted
11-howitzer
12-revolt
14-govt-Communism-armor
15-famine-armor
1817-GLOBAL WARMING OCCURS-armor
19-armor-down to size 21
21-armor 14 polluted tiles
22-peace with Japan
1823-ARRIVAL AC-phew!

Wonders
Collosus-2250BC
Cope’s-175BC
Shake’s-80AD
Sir Isaac’s-680AD
Darwin’s-1200AD
Apollo-1740AD

Governments
Monarchy-3450BC
Republic-425BC
Democracy-540AD

Trade
1st-775BC
2nd-675BC
3rd-675BC

Trade-1000BC
Construction-1450BC
Sanitation-100
Refrigeration-1000
Automobile-1280
Computers-1570
Space Flight-1710

[tonic]

The starting site with the four wheat and the river junction was too tempting to resist. So I held my breath and plunged into Vik’s dishonourable reputation handicap. As it turned out, like Paul, I had in essence only 3 other AI civs on my continent. And I suffered from the Tom deM Effect as well when the silly AI plopped the second generation Germans sandwiched between Beijing and Shanghai and it took no time for the powerful Spanish to finish Berlin off. The third generation French was nowhere to be found until the end of the mid-game. I reckon that was the main reason for my inability to get the 2 science per turn in the later mid-game (besides less than ideal micro-management, that is ). It would have been advisable with hindsight to have deferred getting Darwin’s Voyage until later when the science rate was four rather than two turns.

The reputation (or lack thereof) was a handicap as I could not make alliances with the Japanese and the Chinese despite their being Cordial to Enthusiastic most of the time and my constant gifting them with science. Essentially I only got gifts (and some exchanges) from the rich and powerful Spanish with occasional supplements from the skint Greeks. Pleased to have landed AC this time.

Great work again you scenarists (Tom and vik, currently) in finding new twists requiring non-routine problem solving in OCC.

BTW what do others think of the suggestion to have the variables unique to a particular comparison game (especially the later ones with their interesting twists) listed with the usual comparison data. This would give a better overall picture of each OCCer’s results.
For example in OCC12, one variable might be the types of government chosen by the AI civs. And for OCC13 the number of off-shore civs one had to contend with and also if like me you also had to put up with a 3rd generation civ. And also whether as in SG[1]’s (and geofelt’s) case, a different starting site was chosen.

2.42 Deity

AC: 1851

Monarchy: -2450
Republic: -425
Democracy: 620

Colossus: -2350
Copernicus: 60
Shakespeare: 160
Newton: 600
Darwin: 1180
Apollo: 1786

Trade routes: -1800, -1500, -1300

Size 12: -350
Size 21: 420

Trade: -3150
Construction: -1100
Sanitation: 220
Refrigeration: 1120
Automobile: 1630
Computers: 1690
Space Flight: 1784


3950 BC hut=archer Persians destroyed: Bronze Working, Sioux destroyed: Alphabet, Vikings destroyed: Ceremonial Burial, Carthaginians destroyed: Code of Laws + 1 gold.
Tonicity founded
3900 research Monarchy hut=50
3600 hut=currency hut=100
3550 Japanese peace
3500 hut=chariot Japanese: Ceremonial Burial
3450 Japanese: alphabet
3400 Japanese: currency
3350 hut=horse
3250 Japanese: Code of laws
3150 hut=trade
3000 hut=50 Japanese: tribute 25 hut=50
2950 Spanish exchange Ceremonial Burial for pottery, peace tribute 50, Japanese pottery
2900 Spanish: alphabet, Japanese: Trade
2850 Spanish: Code of Laws
2800 Spanish: Currency, Japanese: Trade
2700 hut=50 give Spanish trade
2650 hut=monarchy! Chinese peace, no alliance Germans exchange trade for mysticism
Spanish exchange mysticism for horsebackriding
2600 Germans: Pottery, Chinese: Trade
2500 hut = horseman Chinese: alphabet and pottery, Germans: pottery and currency
2450 govt Monarchy
2400 researchWriting hut=barb , myhorse kilt barbhorse vetted, Japanese tribute 50 Spanish 25, Germans: horsebackriding Chinese: monarchy
2350 Colossus Code of Laws to Germans, Mysticism to Chinese,
2300 no tribute from Germans and Chinese, hut=50, Japanese: horsebackriding, to Spanish: monarchy
2250 Chinese: Horsebackriding, Germans refuse science
2200 hut=horseman,
2100 hut=mapmaking, Japanese, Germans & Spanish: mapmaking, Chinese: Code of Laws
2050 Dye caravan built, Chinese: ceremonial burial, other 3 ask to sharemaps but none did
1950 hut=25, Germans tribute 25, Chinese 50
1900 Gems-caravan built, hut=25, hut=100
1800 1st Dye-Caravan to Madrid (demanded)=84
1650 Japanese: mysticism, Germans and Chinese: writing, Spanish exchange writing for wheel +50 tribute
1600 Marketplace, start WLTKD
1550 Japanese 50, Spanish 25, Chinese 150
1500 Library, 2nd Gems-caravan Madrid (demanded)=186 Japanese, German & Chinese: Wheel, Spanish don't want any
1450 Temple Masonry researchConstruction, Chinese: masonry + sharemaps!
1400 Japanese, Germans, Spanish: Masonry
1300 3rd Hides-caravan to Toledo (demanded)=92 End WLTD pop=7
1200 Japanese: Writing
1100 Construction researchEngineering, Pop=8 Germans, Spanish & Chinese: construction
1050 Chinese 25
950 Japanese: Construction, Spanish 25
900 Hides-caravan Toledo (demanded)=72 Hides-caravan Madrid (not demanded)=54
875 Aquaduct Engineering researchLiteracy, give Engineering to all 4
850 Germans destroyed by Spanish !!
800 Chinese 50
775 science: 7t - 11t ! (The Tom dM Effect)
750 Diplomat built to try bribing barb trireme for some off-shore hut and Mongol and Greek hunting.
725 sc: 11t - 8t ! (I guess 3rd Generation blue civ in existence)
650 Literacy researchRepublic, Japanese & Chinese: Literacy. Spanish exchange literacy for warriorcode
625 BarbLeader=150
600 Wine-caravan to Madrid (not demanded)=60
475 Republic revolution researchMaths Japanese: warriorcode + sharemaps! Chinese: republic + sharemaps! Spanish exchange republic for feudalism +25
425 Govt. Republic, start WLTCD, disband supported warrior, Chinese: Warriorcode, Japanese : Republic
400 Chinese: Feudalism
350 Pop=12, BarbLeader=150 (Horseman vetted!)
325 End WLTCD (1 step late!!)
300 Cloth-caravan to Madrid (not demanded)=110, Japanese: feudalism,
275 Mongols demand 250, refusal=war, my vet horseman destroys Tabriz (58,16) east of Kyoto
225 Mathematics researchPhilosophy, Give Mathematics to all 3 peaceful civs, Spansish: sharemaps
75 Spanish alliance, no gift
50 Greeks: construction (on demand) peace, wheel for alliance, no gift

AD 20 Spanish war with Mongols, Gold-caravan to Seville (demanded)=246, Greeks exchange Republic + Mathematics for Iron-working
40 Japanese exchange philosophy for seafaring, Greeks: seafaring,
60 Copernicus
80 Philosophy to Chinese, Japanese no alliance, sharemaps Spanish and Greeks. Greece is on Island continent! No sign of French as yet!
100 Greeks: feudalism
140 Medicine researchSanitation (gks war Spanish) Japanese :Medicine, Chinese: Astronomy
160 Shakespeare’s Theatre, sell Colosseum
180 sell Temple Japanese: Astronomy, Spanish: sharemaps, Greeks: Engineering, Chinese : Ironworking
200 Gold-caravan to Seville (demanded)=246, Chinese: Medicine, Greeks: Seafaring
220 Sanitation researchBanking Start WLTCD
240 Sewer System Japanese, Chinese, Greeks: Sanitation, Gift of Chivalry from Spanish,
260 pop=13 Spanish: sharemaps + gift 200
280 Chinese exchange Chivalry for BridgeBuilding
300 Greeks: Chivalry
340 Japanese exchange chivalry for Invention, Spanish: sharemaps shows hut at eastern tip of their domain!
360 Banking ResearchUniversity Spanish and Chinese: Banking, Greeks & Japanese: Bridgebuilding
380 Bank, Greeks & Chinese: invention
420 Max size 21 end WLTCD, hut=25 Spanish gift 75
460 University researchTheory-of-Gravity, Spanish exchange University for Navigation +gift 75 Greeks: Navigation, Chinese: Navigation and Invention but no alliance, Japanese: Navigation
480 built University Greeks: Banking + sharemaps
520 Theory of Gravity researchDemocracy Spanish Theory of Gravity gift 75
580 Democracy revolution researchEconomics Spanish: Democracy gift 150 Greeks: Pottery
600 Isaac Newton's College Japanese: Navigation, Greeks: Currency. Peace with Mongols
620 Govt. Democracy Mongols: Navigation + Invention Start WLTCD
Greeks: Astronomy Japanese: Banking, Spanish refuse knowledge!
640 Greek Elephant captures BarbLeader, so give Greek University for gift 100 (they must have been skint before!) Mongols: Chivalry
680 Mongols: Banking, Chinese & Japanese: University
720 Mongols: Writing, Greeks: Trade Pop=26 max for food End WLTPD Chinese exchange Economics for Gunpowder
760 Spanish 75, Greeks and Mongols: Chemistry
780 Stock Exchange Explosives researchMetallurgy, Japanese: Gunpowder + sharemaps!
800 Spanish and Greeks: sharemaps
820 Metallurgy researchPhysics build Engineer, War with Mongols
860 Physics researchConscription
880 Mongol Chariot kilt my Diplomat waiting forlornly for barbTrireme, Spanish ally declares war on Mongols, Spice-caravan to Salamanca (demanded)=216, Greeks & Chinese: physics
900 Conscription researchMagnetism Spanish: Metallurgy gift 150, Greeks gift 50
940 Japanese: Physics + sharemaps, Spanish sharemaps
960 Magnetism researchSteam-Engine Wine-caravan to Cordoba (demanded)=235 Greeks: sharemaps,
980 Greeks: Metallurgy, Spanish sharemaps Japanese: Steamengine
1000 Steam-Engine researchElectricity
1040 Electricity researchLeadership built Diplomat Spanish: Conscription,
1080 Leadership researchRefrigeration Greeks: Steamengine
1100Spanish gift 75, Greeks gift 100 Japanese: Metallurgy Chinese: Steamengine
1120 Regrigeration researchRailroad
1140 Spanish sharemaps Greek sharemaps
1160 Railroad researchTactics Mongols ask for peace, Spanish: Magnetism Greeks: Conscription
1180 Darwin's Voyage get Tactics Industrialization researchSteel Spanish, Japanese & Chinese: Railroad
1200 Greeks: Railroad
1220 Steel researchMachine-Tools, Spice-caravan built Japanese: Conscription Spanish: Industrialization, Greeks gift 100
1240 Spanish exchange Tactics for Atomic Theory +gift 150
1260 Machine Tools researchCorporation Greeks sharemap: diplo on (26,40) 9 turns to reach my horse
Japanese & Chinese: Industrialization, Spanish sharemaps
1280 Greeks: Industrialization, sharemaps +100, Japanese: tactics Spanish: Steel Chinese: Democracy
1300 Japanese: Magnetism Chinese: Conscription Greeks: Magnetism Spanish: Leadership
1320 Spanish: Explosives gift 200 Japanese: Steel
1340 Corporation researchElectronics Chinese: Economics Greeks: Tactics Japanese: Tactics
1360 Japanese: Chemistry Chinese: Magnetism Greeks: sharemaps
1380 Spice-caravan to Madrid (not demanded)=60 Japanese: Leadership, Chinese & Spanish: Electricity Greeks: Steel
1400 Spanish: Refrigeration Greek: sharemaps Chinese: Explosives Japanese: no maps
1420 Electronics researchRefining Japanese: Explosives, Chinese: Corporation Greeks: Leadership Spanish: Machine Tools
1440 Japanese: Machine Tools, Chinese: Electronics Greeks: 50
1460 Wine-caravan to Cordoba (demanded)=162 Spice-Caravan to Cordoba (not demanded)=65 Spanish and Greeks: sharemaps
1480 Wine-freight built, start WLTPD, Japanese: TheoryofGravity Chinese: Steel Greeks: Machine Tools Spanish: Electronics (on par now!)
1500 Refining researchCombustion Greeks and Spanish sharemaps,
1510 Bribe BarbFrigate Japanese: Atomic Theory Chinese & Greeks: Theory of Gravity
1520 Spanish: 100 Greek: sharemaps Japanese & Chinese: no maps
1530 end WLTPD
1540 Spanish exchange refining for polytheism sharemaps Greek sharemaps
1550 Factory Combustion researchMiniaturization Wine-freight to Cordoba (demanded)=240 Bribe Greek Engineer, Greeks: Atomic Theory no gift, Spanish: sharemaps
1560 Chinese & Japanese: Refining
1570 Power Plant Japanese: Electronics Chinese: Refrigeration Greeks: Refining Spanish: sharemaps
1580 Greeks: no gift Spanish: 200 Japanese: Economics Chinese: Polytheism
1590 Miniaturization researchAutomobile Greeks: Masonry! Chinese & Japanese: Miniaturization
1600 Chinese: Metallurgy Japanese: Democracy Greeks & Spanish: Miniaturization
1630 Automobile researchMass-Production Greeks: 50 Chinese & Japanese: no alliance Spanish sharemaps
1640 Superhighways hut=100
1660 Mass Production researchComputers Bribe BarbDragoons Bribe BarbFrigate Japanese, Chinese, Greeks & Spanish: Automobile Mongols: Railway and Physics
1670 French (at last on NW continent) demands 200g refusal=war! Greeks Chinese Spanish & Japanese: Combustion
1680 Spain exchange Mass Production for Amphibious Warfare Greeks, Japanese & Chinese: Mass Production
1690 Computers researchMobileWarfare
1700 Research Lab Wine-freight to Cordoba (demanded)=505
1710 Mobile Warfare researchRobotics
1720 Japanese & Greeks: Amphibious-Warfare Chinese & Spanish: Mobile Warfare
1730 Robotics researchNuclear-Fission
1740 Manufacturing Plant
1750 Nuclear Fission researchFlight
1754 Flight researchRadio Japanese & Greeks: Mobile Warfare Chinese: Computers Spanish: Nuclear Fission
1760 Radio researchAdvanced-Flight
1766 Advanced Flight researchNuclear Power Japanese Chinese & Greeks: Radio Greek + gift 75
1772 Nuclear Power researchRocketry Greeks 75 Spanish 200
1778 Rocketry researchSpaceFlight
1784 Space Flight researchPlastics
1786 Apollo Program
1788 Start building SS-parts
1790 Plastics researchCombined Arms
1796 Combined Arms researchLaser
1802 Laser researchSuperconductor
1808 Superconductor researchCommunism
1814 Communism researchFusion-Power
1820 Fusion Power researchEspionage
1828 War with Japanese
1836 Launch conventional 15-3-3-1-1-1 Spaceship
1837 Espionage researchGenetic-Engineering
1841 Hydro Plant sell Power Plant
1843 Mass Transit
1847 Peace with Japanese
1849 Sneak attack by Spanish fighter - War
1851 Arrival at AC – one way to escape Earthly war!
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Ancora Imparo
[This message has been edited by tonic (edited July 24, 2000).]

[Oldman]

Hey Paul, are you still browsing the strategy board? what do you think of this "who's online thing??" it's quite funky ain't it!!!!!

I'm almost done with occ13, it got to 2:30 last night just started researching flight, and i saved and went to bed?!!?! now, that's Will Power!!!! i think my eta is 1839ad if everything goes on plan,

[Oldman]

Boy, did they open up a can of Whoop-ass on me!!!! So close but sooooo far!! anyway the log:

2.42 Diety - Billy the Oldman of the Outlaws!!

Monarchy: 2450bc
Republic: 525bc
Democracy: 780ad

Colossus: 2250bc
Observatory: 160ad
Theatre: 340ad
College: 820ad
Darwins: 1510ad
Apollo: Just 1 more turn!!!

1st Trade: 850bc
2nd: 675bc
3rd: 550bc

Trade: 1750bc
Cons: 525bc
San: 600ad
Refridge: 1200ad
Auto: 1730ad
SF: 1774ad

Pop 12: 75bc
pop 25: 1730ad

3950bc 50 from hut
Persians Destroyed, Bronze working!
Carthage Destroyed, Code of Laws!
Souix Destroyed, Alphabet!
Vikings Destroyed, Cere Bury!
Wild Wild West Founded!!
3800bc archers (hut)
3700bc chariot (hut)
3600bc archers disbanded in city
3550bc 50 from hut
3350bc 50 from hut
Peace with Spanish
3250bc Barbarian from hut
Disorder!!!!!
Peace with Japanese
3200bc order restored
3050bc 25 from hut
2950bc Barbs in hut
2450bc Monarchy, Kingship Established
currency (hut)
2400bc peace with chinese
2300bc 50 from hut
rushed Colossus
2250bc Colossus!!!!
2200bc WLTKD starts
2150bc barbs (hut)
militia
2000bc militia
1800bc temple
1750bc Trade
1600bc peace with triffids
1350bc war with spanish??
1300bc marketplace
1250bc peace with english
1000bc war with english for 50 from triffids
950bc caravan (hides)
850bc 1st Trade (68 rev) hides
825bc caravan (gems)
750bc gave mapmaking to spanish for ceasefire!
725bc caravan (dye)
675bc 2nd Trade (114 rev) gems
650bc Literacy
3rd Trade unwanted (38 rev) dye
library
550bc republic - revolution
525bc Republic Established!!!!!!
Construction from chinese
Gave away loads of Techs
500bc caravan (wine)
mysticism from english
375bc maths from chinese
325bc Philosophy
Astronomy (free)
300bc Aquaduct
275bc disbanded last of own militia
175bc Colosseum
150bc WLTCD (9)
75bc caravan
Size 12!!
25bc caravan
WLTCD cancelled
sold temple
20ad caravan
60ad caravan
medicine
100ad caravan
140ad caravan
160ad Observatory!!!!!!!
caravans x 4
340ad Theatre!!!!!!!!!
400ad 200 for war on chinese
440ad University
480ad Bank
520ad engineering from spanish
600ad Sanitation!!!
640ad Sewer system
WLTCD (12)
680ad invention
700ad war with french for 250 from english
760ad democracy - revolution!
780ad WLTCD cancelled (18)
Democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
820ad Newtons College!!!!
860ad chemistry
900ad gunpowder
940ad explosives
980ad metalurgy
1020ad navigation
1060ad physics
1100ad magnetism
1140ad electricty
1200ad refridgeration
1240ad steam engine
1280ad railroad
1320ad industrialisation
1380ad corporation
1420ad war on french for 250!
1440ad electronics
1480ad factory
1500ad steel
1510ad darwins Voyage!!
Refining
Combustion
1530ad hydro plant
1550ad supermarket
1560ad automobile
1570ad engineer
WLTPD (16)
1600ad mass production
1630ad chivalry
1650ad leadership
1670ad tactics
1690ad machine tools
1710ad miniaturisation
1730ad Computers!!!!!
WLTPD cancelled (25)
1750ad science lab
mobile warfare!!
1754ad robotics!
1756ad manu plant
1758ad engineer
flight?!?!?
1760ad engineer
1762ad radio
1766ad adv flight
1770ad rocketry
1774ad Space Flight!!!!!!!!!
added caravans to Apollo Program, space race starts next turn!!!
1776ad Sneak attack by Japanese and Spanish Forces!!!! all 12 caravans destroyed?!?! 4 engineers, 1 settler, a horseman and a legion and my city all in one turn?!?!!?

Billy the Oldman the Pathetic 1%, 19 points

Just for the record i was on target for an eta of 1839ad!!!
[This message has been edited by Oldman (edited July 25, 2000).]

[Paul]

OCC #13 Comparison Table now available.

[Scouse Gits]

That is what I call seriously tough luck Oldman - and they say the AI can't play this game!


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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Oldman]

Tough luck? are you sure that's all you'd call it? i'd call it much more, in fact i did!!! But they'd just bleep it out here?!?!

I thought i was getting along with everyone quite nicely too, giving away flight, computers, radio!! i normally stop giving away my techs when i reach flight!! but nevermind, the next one should be interesting...



[This message has been edited by Oldman (edited July 25, 2000).]

[vik]

I hope some of you had a little bit of fun with this. The "find another city-site" option didn't occur to me until after I emailed the scenario to Paul.

There's a trade-off, of course. By killing the 4 AIs that were in your starting area, you gain Bronze Working, Alphabet, Ceremonial Burial, and Code of Laws, which was designed to jump-start you into Monarchy.

Plus, you get to found your city on your first turn rather than searching.

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Well, on a personal note, I will be going on vacation tomorrow (Wednesday) for about three weeks or so. I don't think I will be playing Civ2 during that time. Take care!

[Tom DeMille]

Oldman, ouch. Pretty aggressive of the AIs to attack without warning. They made a few demands of me late in the game (demanding Advanced Flight, Superconductor, that sort of thing - I was only too happy to oblige, since they would have declared war if I hadn't), but no sneak attack thank goodness.

Vik, SG1 was still able to get all the techs from the 4 neigbour civs before he wandered off to found his city. But you're rightthat precious time was wasted (if there had been another ideal city site nearby it might have been a different story). Enjoy your vacation

[Oldman]

Have a nice holiday Vik!!! I enjoyed the scenario, even though i ill treated by the opposition?!?!!? this now makes 2 occ's i've fluffed in a row!!!! i lots the observatory on occ11 and gave up, this one!! i daren't even try occ12!?!?

After the "Incident" with the Japs and Spanish last night i reloaded to see just what their problems were!!! they were just mightily pissed that i existed i think!!! i gave them all my gold, gave them both space flight, and grovelled as much as i could!! it put the Japs off attacking me, but the spanish still finished me off regardless?!?!?

I guess it's just not to be... I'm thinking that my style of play was a bit aggressive, Machiavellian you might say, cause i only had one alliance and they were tight gits, i waged war on people for money, and then siding with the winners for more money later on!! maybe i rubbed the spanish up the wrong way!??!

[Tom DeMille]

Oldman, what was your reputation like just before the AIs destroyed you? My reputation started at dishonorable after the 1st turn, and then improved to questionable ~1000AD, where it stayed for the rest of the game (unlike you, I was nice to my AIs ). If your reputation was the pits, it might explain why the AIs didn't like you towards the end.

[Hueij]

Pfew, this was a hard one. Though I had incredible luck with huts in the beginning (Monarchy in 3600BC) I couldn't get to two-turn advances until 1580AD and only then till 1772AD. I was researching Space Flight and one turn into it the needed beakers jumped from 2170 to 3290! Next to the Japanese and the Spanish there were only Indians and Chinese on the continent and I was at war with the Chinese for a long time so I couldn't dump techs on them. Luckily the AI left me alone till the end.

Monarchy: 3450BC
Republic: 525BC
Democracy: 780AD

Colossus: 2400BC
Copernicus: 225BC
Shakespeare: 1AD
Newton: 500AD
Darwin: 1340AD
Apollo: 1778AD

Trade: 1800BC
Construction: 2500BC
Sanitation: 240AD
Refrigeration: 1200AD
Automobile: 1560AD
Computers: 1730AD
Space Flight: 1776AD

1st Trade: 900BC
2nd Trade: 800BC
3rd Trade: 625BC

Size 12: 325BC
Size 21: 1460AD

Landing on AC: 1841AD

3950: Hut-Horseman, destroyed 4 civs, Bronze, Code of Laws, Ceremonial Burial, Alphabet
3900: Hut-Horseman, Cardiff Founded
3800: Hut-100 gold
3750: Hut-Archer
3700: Hut-Archer
3600: Hut-Monarchy-50 gold, Revolution, Spanish-Pottery
3550: Japanese-peace, Hut-Horseman
3450: Monarchy
3350: Hut-100 gold
3250: Hut-Barbs
3200: Hut-50 gold
3050: Hut-Barbs-Currency
3000: Hut-50 gold, Indians-peace, Tributes-50 gold
2850: Hut-Archer
2750: Indians-war
2700: Indians-peace
2600: Hut-Horseman
2500: Chinese-Masonry, Construction, 50 gold
2450: Tributes-100 gold
2400: Colossus
2250: Market Place
2200: Japanese-Warrior Code, Spanish-Horseback Riding
1950: Archer killed by Barbs, Hut-Polytheism
1900: Tributes-125 gold
1800: Hut-Trade
1750: Chinese-Map Making, gave Trade, Monarchy and Warrior Code, shared maps
Japanese-gave Map Making, Horseback Riding, Pottery and Polytheism, shared maps
Spanish-gave Map Making, shared maps
Indians-gave Map Making, Construction and Polytheism, shared maps
1550: Hut-Barbs
1500: Tributes 75 gold
1400: Writing, built Colosseum, sold Colosseum
1300: Library
1250: Dumped all techs to all 4 civs, share maps, tributes 125 gold
1200: Hides Caravan, Indians-25 gold
1100: Wine Caravan
1000: Temple
950: Gems Caravan, tributes 175 gold
900: Hides Caravan, Hides route Madrid 100 gold
875: Mysticism
825: Hides Caravan
Japanese-gave Mysticism, shared maps, allied
Spanish and Chinese-gave Mysticism, shared maps
Indians-gave Mysticism, shared maps, allied, gift 100 gold
800: Wine route Madrid 64 gold, Chinese tribute 50 gold
775: Hides Caravan
725: Food Caravan
675: Hides Caravan
650: Literacy, Chinese-Feudalism, shared maps, Japanese and Indians-shared maps
625: Food Caravan, Hides route Sevilla 100 gold, Gifts and tributes 125 gold
600: Gems route Madrid 216 gold
575: Philosophy, Republic, Revolution
550: Tributes-75 gold
525: Republic, Hides route Toledo 112 gold
500: WLTCD size 5, Japanese-gave Republic, Spanish-gave Republic, shared maps, allied (War with Chinese), Indians-shared maps, gift 25 gold
475: Colosseum, Hides route Seville 108 gold, Japanese-gave all techs, gift 25 gold, Spanish-gave Philosophy
450: Spanish-gave Feudalism
400: Aquaduct
375: Mathematics, Hides route Cordoba 232 gold
350: Food caravan, Spanish-gave all techs, shared maps
325: Sold Colosseum, size 12, Japanese and Indians-gave Mathematics, gifts 50 gold
300: Food Caravan
250: Astronomy, Food Caravan
225: Copernicus' Observatory
175: Dye Caravan, Japanese-gave Astronomy, Spanish-Iron Working, Indians-gave Iron Working, gifts 150 gold
125: Clothes Caravan, Medicine
75: Food Caravan
25: Food Caravan, Japanese-gave Iron Working, Indians-gave Astronomy, gifts 350 gold
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1: Shakespeare's Theater
20: University
40: Dye route Madrid 248 gold
60: University built, Spanish-gave all techs, Japanese and Indians-gave University, gifts 150 gold
80: Wheel, Cloth Madrid 126 gold
100: Dye Caravan
140: Food Caravan
160: Engineering, Japanese and Indians-gave Wheel, gifts 50 gold
180: Food Caravan
240: Sanitation
260: WLTCD size 12, Dye route Madrid 272 gold
280: Sewer System, Japanese-gave Engineering, Spanish-Bridge Building, Indians-gave Sanitation, gifts 200 gold
300: Banking
320: Bank
360: Food Caravan
380: Japanese-gave Iron Building, Spanish-gave Engineering, Indians-gave Bridge Building, gifts 100 gold
400: Theory of Gravity, Food Caravan
420: End WLTCD size 19
440: Spice Caravan
480: Economics, Food Caravan, 150 gold Barb Leader, Gave all techs to allies, shared maps, gifts 200 gold
500: Newton's College
540: Chemistry
560: Stock Exchange
600: Invention, Food Caravan, All techs to allies, gifts 50 gold
640: Food Caravan
660: Gunpowder
680: Food Caravan, gave Gunpowder to allies, gifts 150 gold
720: Explosives
740: Engineer
780: Engineer, Democracy, Revolution, Democracy, Spice route Valencia 300 gold, gave Explosives to allies, gifts 175 gold
820: Food Caravan
840: Metallurgy
860: Food Caravan
880: Spanish-Monotheism
900: Seafaring, Food Caravan, gifts 100 gold
960: Navigation, Food Caravan
1000: Food Caravan
1020: Physics, gave all techs to allies, shared maps, gifts 100 gold
1040: Food Caravan
1080: Magnetism, Spice Caravan
1120: Gold Caravan
1140: Electricity
1160: Food Caravan
1200: Diplomat Refrigeration
1240: Supermarket
1260: Steam Engine, Chinese-peace, gave all techs, shared maps, Allies-gave all techs, shared maps, gifts125 gold
1320: Railroad
1340: Darwin's Voyage, Industrialization, Corporation, Spice route Toledo 142 gold, Gold route Madrid 62 gold
1360: WLTPD size 17
1380: Dye Freight
1400: Steel
1420: Spice Freight, Gave Railroad to all, gifts 250 gold
1460: Food Freight
1480: Refining
1500: Food Freight
1510: Gifts 250 gold
1520: Food Freight
1530: Combustion, End WLTPD size 24
1540: Food Freight
1560: Automobile
1580: Superhighways, Chivalry, Chinese-Conscription, shared maps with all, First time 2 turns per tech...
1590: Food Freight
1600: Leadership, Dye route Beijing 782 gold
1610: Gold Freight
1620: Tactics, Spice route Beijing 391 gold, Chinese-Athomic Theory, gifts 300 gold
1630: Wine Freight
1640: Machine Tools
1650: Food Freight
1660: Electronics
1680: Mass Production
1690: Food Freight
1710: Miniaturization
1720: Wine route Chengdu 557 gold
1730: Computers, Food Freight
1740: Research Lab
1750: Gold route Shanghai 1016 gold
1752: Wine Freight
1754: Robotics
1756: Food Freight
1758: Flight
1760: Food Freight
1762: Radio
1764: Factory
1766: Advanced Flight
1768: Hydro Plant
1770: Rocketry
1772: Manifacturing Plant, Chinese-gave Computers
1776: [q]Space Flight[/b]
1778: Apollo Project, Wine route Chengdu 272 gold
1782: Plastics
1788: Nuclear Fission
1796: Nuclear Power, Spanish cancel alliance (no way I give them Advanced Flight!), Bribe Spanish Cannon
1802: Bribe Chinese Destroyer
1804: Laser
1806: 15 Structurals
1812: Super Conductor
1820: 6 Components
1822: Fusion Power
1826: 3 Modules, Launch
1828-1840: The usual stuff, allied with Greeks!
1841: Landing on AC

[SCG]

Since I managed to get a dispicable rep playing a normal game (OCC 14), I left those 4 civs to fight it out in the fertile crescent and moved elsewhere. In hindsight, going to the landlocked, 3 silk 1 wheat site with no rivers probably cost me several turns. With only 1 grassland, my growth was stunted and i never did get the wheat turned into silk. I also had 2 ocean squares i couldn't do anything with. I could have founded 4 turns earlier, and gotten a coastal city with 7 grasslands, 3 river squares, whale and 2 silk. On the other hand, I would have been closer to all 6 of the other capitols too, so maybe it wasn't that bad. I had fantastic luck with the huts, even getting a musketeer late in the game (used a peace treaty to get him home), and obtained pottery from 1 which allowed me to trade for monarchy (don't remember when, but was at the latest 3400BC). On the other hand, I got 3 advanced tribes forcing me to reload, including 2 consecutive... I also keep forgetting to sell my improvements when they have served their purpose, also started the apollo program about 7 turns late, which forced me to use a several freights earlier than I had planned, leaving me scrambling to rush-buy SS parts and even giving away all sorts of SS and modern warfare techs to get gold out of my allies. I also managed to overcompensate for last games research mistakes, costing me 6 turns by discovering nuclear fission/power preflight. (In OCC 14 I couldn't get 3 turns/tech post spaceflight...)

Diety, 2.42
AC 1869

Monachy -2900
Republic -425
Democracy 1020

colossus: -1250
copes: 100
shakes: 920
isaac: 700
darwin: 1360
apollo: 1810

trade routes: -725, -675, -600

construction: -1950
sanitation: 540
refrigeration: 1360
automobile: 1660
computers: 1764
space flight: 1808

size 12 : 440 (canceled WL @10 in -150)
size 21 : 1580

-3950 hut horseman
-3500 hut horseman
-3400? hut pottery
-3050 hut archer
-2950 Home Founded (3 silk, 1 wheat),Alliance with Sioux, mapmaking, monarchy (revolt) (should have contacted earlier), Alliance with vikings, alphabet, ceremonial burial, mystism, alliance with Carthagenians, code of laws, peace with persians, bronze working, currency, no alliance
-2900 Monarch Founded, King SCGunner
-2750 hut, warrior code - gift techs, discoveries go from 140 to 165?
-2600 hut, barb horseman (killed it)
-2500 size 2, hut - NON horseman
-2300 hut, 50 gold
-2200 hut - Advanced tribe, reload - masonry
-2150 horsebackriding, 25 gold from carts, size 3
-1950 hut advanced tribe, reload(x2) - construction
-1600 50 gold from vikings
-1400 hut - NON archers
-1350 alliance, 100 gold from spanish
-1250 colossus
-1150 size 4, hut - NON hoseman
-1100 commencing WL
-975 hut, trade
-950 marketplace
-925 wheel from vikings, alliance dissolved, 75 gp(spanish), 50 gp (carts),100 gp (sioux) 100 gp, alliance (persians) war with vikings
-900 caravan (silver)
-875 caravan (hides)
-850 caravan (hides)
-775 writing
-725 hides to toledo (demanded)
-700 caravan (hides)
-675 silver to parasagad (demanded)
-650 library
-600 hides to seville (demanded)
-475 caravan (hides), philosophy, republic (revolt), hides to toledo, seafaring, 100 gold (spanish)50 gold (persians) 50 gp (carts) 50 gold (sioux)
450 temple, hides to madrid (undemanded)
-425 republic!
-400 caravan (silver) WL, hides to toledo (undemanded)
-325 colisseum
-300 polytheism (persians), no gold from anyone
-200 aquaduct (finally), iron working (spanish)
-150 size 10 (out of food) cancel WL
-125 silver to Madrid (undemanded)
-100 100 gold (carts) for war on vikings
-50 caravan
1AD caravan, hut - medicine
40 caravan
60 Astronomy
80 100 gold (spanish), 150 gp (persians)
100 Copes!
140 caravan
180 University
300 Engineering
320 university, 75 gp (spanish) 100 (persians) 50 (carts) 25 (sioux)
360 caravan
380 Banking
400 archer lost to barbarian, start WL
440 cancel WL (size 12)
460 bank, Theory of Gravity
520 caravan, hut - 25 gp
540 Sanitation, Spanish (monotheism, 50 gp), persians (100 gp), carts (50 gp), sioux (50 gp)
560 caravan
580 hut - bridge building
600 caravan
640 caravan
660 Invention
680 caravan, 50 gold (spanish) 100 gp (persians) 50 gp (carts) 100 (sioux)
700 Isaac Newton's College!
720 gunpowder
760 sewer system, size 13 (should have gone for demo...)
780 navigation, 100 gp (spanish) 50 gp (persians) 50 gp (carts) 50 gp (sioux)
800 hut - 50 gp
820 caravan,chemistry
860 caravan
880 explosives
900 caravan, 50 gp (persians), 50 gp (carts),100 gp (sioux) (rep back up to honorable from questionable)
920 Shakes theater
940 hut - NON musketeer
980 Democracy, revolt
1020 caravan, democracy founded
1040 start WL, hut - 50 gp
1060 engineers
1100 physics, 100 gp (persians), 50 gp (carts) 150 gp (sioux)
1120 engineers
1180 caravan,
1220 Railroad, spanish (metalurgy) persians (50 gp) 50 gp (carts)
1280 Magnetism
1340 Electricity
1360 Darwins (refrigeration, industrialization) Spanish (economics,75 gp) persians (50gp) carts (50 gp) sioux (50 gp)
1400 supermarket
1420 steel
1440 stock exchange
1520 corperation, atomic thoery(spanish) 50 gp (persians) 100 gp (carts) 150 (sioux)
1550 freight, cloth to valencia (undemanded)
1560 refining, carthage destroyed by soiux (no more alliance)
1570 freight
1580 size 21
1590 freight
1600 combustion, gems to seville (demanded)
1630 electronics
1650 power plant, size 25
1660 freight, Automobile, spanish (conscription, 100 gp),sioux (150 gp)
1670 superhighways
1680 mass production
1690 freight
1700 freight, feudalism
1710 freight
1720 freight, chivalry
1730 freight
1740 freight, leadership
1750 freight
1752 freight, tactics
1754 freight
1756 freight, machine tools
1758 freight
1760 freight, miniturization, 100 gp (spanish),200 gp (persians), 200 sp (sioux), gold to seville
1762 freight
1764 Computers
1766 Research Lab
1768 freight, Mobile Warfare
1770 freight
1772 Robotics
1774 manufacturing plant
1776 freight, Nuclear fission
1778 freight
1780 freight, Nuclear power
1782 freight
1784 freight, Flight
1786 freight
1788 freight
1790 freight, Radio
1792 freight
1794 freight
1796 freight, Advanced Flight
1798 freight
1800 freight
1802 freight, Space Flight barb leader captured (i think its my first this game!)
1808 Space Flight
1810 Apollo Program (not good - spanish demand advanced flight for keeping alliance and they have a city overlapping mine...)
1812 structural #1 (fundamentalism, ampibious warfare from spanish - at least i have some control over what I give)
1814 #2, Plastics
1816 #3
1818 #4 (production up to 70 now, but cost a few rounds of pollution...)
1820 #5, Laser
1822 #6
1824 #7 (no pollution this round, so i finally caught up )
1826 #8, Superconductor, sell sewer system (never did get past 25...), and has a food deficit
1828 #9
1830 #10
1832 #11, Fusion Power, sold aquaduct
1834 #12
1836 #13
1838 #14
1840 #15
1842 component #1
1844 #2, communism, fundamentalism from spanish (they have fission, advanced flight, mobile warfare and rocketry now)
1846 #3, temple sold
1848 #4 (just 5 more rounds to hold the alliances together before I can build a military, city walls, SDI, SAM...*crossed fingers*)
1850 #5...
1851 #6, sell research lab
1852 Module #1 combustion for 400 gp (persians) ,Advanced flight for theology, 100 gp (sioux) ,sell university (valencia stole mined hills - down to 63 production)
1853 Module #2, sell library
1854 Module #3, launch
1855 marines
1856 marines
1857 city walls
1858 SAM
1859 barracks
1860 armor
1861 armor
1862 alpine troops
1863 alpine troops
1864 alpine troops, space flight and robotics for combined arms (spanish)
1865 howitzer
1866 spy (spanish start going structural wild )
1867 fighter (spanish build 7 structurals and a module, just happy to keep them worshipful )
1868 alpine troops
1869 AC!!! new PR (SCGunner the Terrible (40%) of the Posse)


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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

*goes off and starts gifting gold and techs*

[Smash]

You are catching up.

In landing dates and Fortnight OCCs

[Ribannah]

OCC #13
Deity
MGE

Quite a challenge for the MGE player ! Of course we had no choice but to whipe out those 4 little civs. Later, we found a great 4 Whales spot not too far away ....
As it was, it was hard work to improve all that land , we were almost too late.
We decided to build both Marco Polo and Eiffel to get rid of a horrible science penalty and to restore our reputation. It worked rather well

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AC: 1746

Monarchy: -3800
Republic: -1050
Democracy: 460

Colossus: -2000
Marco Polo: -875
Shakespeare: -600
Copernicus: -150
Newton: 420
Eiffel: 720
Leonardo: 1000
Darwin: 1300
Apollo: 1510

Trade routes: -1250, -1200, -1100

Size 12: -450
Size 19: 400
Size 27: 1460

Trade: -2600
Construction: -725
Sanitation: 260
Refrigeration: 720

Automobile: 1140
Computers: 1320
Space Flight: 1500
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-3950 What the h... - oh well, before they destroy each other - this is MGE, remember? ...
N-Chariot(h)
Demanded tribute - no wars declared
Sioux destroyed -> Alphabet, Excellent
Carthagians destroyed -> Code of Laws, 1 gold, Honorable
Vikings destroyed -> Ceremonial Burial, Questionable, N-Archers(h)
Persians destroyed -> Bronze Working, status not given (do we start at spotless again??)
Rio Pecos founded
-3900 50(h)
-3800 Monarchy(h)
-3700 50(h), revolution
-3650 Temple, starting Colossus, MONARCHY, N-Archers(h)
-3600 Currency(h) , Spanish, traded for Pottery, Peace, 5 techs->S, no Ally , our reputation is Dishonorable (they remember ...)
-3500 S2
-3450 100(h) , Barb Horsemen(h) - killed
-3350 Japanese, Peace, 6 techs->J, no Ally
-3250 S3
-3200 Mysticism(h)
-3150 English, Peace, 6 techs->E, no Ally
-3100 N-Chariot(h)
-3000 Mongols, Peace, 7 techs->M, no Ally , 50
-2950 S4, 75<-S (saw them catch a Barb Leader)
-2900 French, Peace, 3 techs->F, no Ally , "Mongols destroyed by French"
-2850 Horseback Riding(h)
-2750 Barb Chariot, 2 techs->S, 50 (knew they had more )
-2650 S5
-2600 50(h) (after 3xKells), Trade(h)
-2450 N-Archers(h), starting to mine the Wheat
-2400 50,50 <- J,S
-2350 S6
-2250 50(h), Barb Horsemen
-2050 Barb Chariot
-2000 COLOSSUS, S7, Barb Leader (150), 50,50 <-J,F,S
-1950 Marketplace
-1900 Barb Archers
-1850 Barb Leader (150)
-1800 Writing
-1750 Library, Wheat into Silk #1, 3 techs->F, 50 <-E
-1700 Gems
-1600 Cloth, 50(h)
-1500 Hides, S8, Barb Archers, 50<-S
-1400 Hides
-1300 Hides
-1250 Literacy, We Love , Gems to Madrid (80), traded for Warrior Code(J), 4 techs->J, 50 , Ally(E) for War(F) -> reputation is Poor
-1200 Wine, Cloth to Madrid (80), Barb Archers (Barbs cutting off route to Tokyo), 5 techs->E
-1100 Food, Philosophy -> The Republic, Hides to Madrid (80), Feudalism(h), traded for The Wheel(S), 6 techs->S, Revolution
-1050 REPUBLIC, Cease Fire(F), 6 techs->F, Where are the remaining 2 tribes??
-1000 Hides, 50(h)
-975 N-Archers(h)
-950 Hides
-900 Hides, Medicine
-875 MARCO POLO'S EMBASSY, Indians: traded for map Making, Seafaring and Masonry, Peace, 6 techs->I, Maps, no Ally ,
Americans: 12 techs->A, Maps, no Peace!, 4 techs->E, Maps, no gift , 1 tech->S, 8 techs->J, Maps, Barb Archers
-825 Hides
-800 Hides to Osaka (d,160)
-775 Hides, Hides to Kyoto (86)
-750 1 tech->F,E
-725 Hides, Construction, Hides to Madrid (d,184)
-675 Hides, 50(h) (after 4xKells)
-650 Barb Leader (150)
-625 Hides
-600 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE
-575 We Love , Wheat into Silk #2, 3 techs->E, no gift , 1 tech->I, beaker req goes up, not down
-550 Aquaduct, S9
-525 Mathematics, S10
-500 Settlers
-475 S11, traded for Iron Working(S)
-450 Hides, S12, traded for Banking(F), 5 techs->F, Maps, 3 techs->I, Peace bug, no renewal of treaty , 4 techs->A, 1 tech->E, 25 (wow!)
-425 We Love ends
-400 Hides
-375 3 techs->E, 25
-350 Bank
-300 Hides
-250 Hides
-200 Hides
-175 Astronomy, 1 tech->F,A,E, 50<-E , Americans: LIGHTHOUSE
-150 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY
-100 Gold, 5 techs->J, Maps, English end Alliance
-50 University
-25 French: PYRAMIDS
1 University, traded for Chivalry(S), 6 techs->S, Maps
40 Food
60 Economics
120 Stock Exchange
160 Food, Theory of Gravity
200 Food
220 Traded for Engineering(I), 4,5,4 techs->I,F,E, Maps
240 Food
260 Sanitation, We Love , di N-Chariot, 1 tech->J
280 Sewer System, S13
300 S14
320 Food, S15, Senate signs Peace Treaty with the French behind our back - we could not do that by ourselves
340 S16, Wheat into Silk #3
360 Food, S17, everybody has turned hostile now
380 Invention, S18, A demand 100, we refuse, no war , traded for Navigation(A), 6,3 techs->A,F, Maps
400 Food, S19 (no food surplus anymore), Gold to Lyons (125), 7,6 techs->J,S, Maps, 3 techs->I, Peace
420 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE, Democracy, We Love ends , Wheat into Silk #4 -> hunger=3, 1 tech->F
440 Revolution
460 Spice, DEMOCRACY
480 Physics, English capture Rheims
500 Food
520 Magnetism
540 Gold
560 Steam Engine
580 Wine
600 Gunpowder, Spice to Madrid (d,249), 5,4,6 techs->J,F,I, Maps
620 Food
640 Metallurgy
660 Food
680 Electricity
700 Food, Gold to Toledo (d,195) - building up the Spanish
720 EIFFEL TOWER -> Honorable, Refrigeration, Wine to Madrid (83), Americans: GREAT LIBRARY
760 Supermarket, Chemistry, 4,11,4 techs->J,E,F, Ally(F) for War(E)
780 Traded for Bridge Building(S), 8 techs->S, Maps, Ally(S) for War(J) (huh? how did they get into contact??), 75 , 10 techs->A, Peace
800 Food, Explosives, 1,2,2 techs->F,E,J Cease Fire(E,J)
840 Food, Railroad, 7 techs->I, Maps, Ally(I) for War(A), 50 , Barbs take Madras
860 Traded for Conscription(F), 1,2,3,2,1 techs->F,J,A,E,S Cease Fire(A), no gifts
880 Industrialization, 1 tech->I
920 Factory, reputation now Excellent , 1 tech->J,F,S,E,I, 125<-F , Indians recapture Madras
940 The Corporation, 1 tech->S,F, 100,50 , 1 tech->E
960 1 tech->I,S, 100<-S
980 1 tech->S, 50 (they still have 1789 gold though)
1000 LEONARDO'S WORKSHOP
1020 Refining, 1 tech->S,F,I, 125,50,25
1040 Spice
1060 Steel, 1 tech->S,F,I, 125,50,50
1080 Gems
1100 Combustion, 1 tech->S,F,I, 200,50,50 , 3,2 techs->E,J, J won't trade their Leadership
1120 Engineers, S18, J break Cease Fire, J Cannon, only F declare War(J)
1140 Automobile
1160 Superhighways -> science output almost doubles
1180 Electronics, S19, 1 tech->S,F,I, -,50,50
1200 Hydroplant
1220 Mass Production
1240 3 techs->E, Peace, Japanese still won't trade Leadership
1260 Leadership, Gems to York (d,722), 1 tech->S,F,I, -,50,50 , 9 techs->A, Peace
1280 Tactics, We Love , French capture Hastings
1300 DARWIN'S VOYAGE -> Machine Tools, Miniaturization, S20, 1 tech->F,S,I, -,75,50 , 1,3 techs->E,A
1320 Computers, S21, Spice to Tours (d,1070), J Cannon, 1 tech->S, 75
1340 Research Lab, Flight, S22, J Dragoons
1360 Engineers
1380 Radio, S23
1400 S24
1420 Advanced Flight, S25
1440 S26
1460 Rocketry, S27, sold Sewer System
1480 We Love ends , sold Aquaduct
1500 Space Flight, sold Temple, 1 tech->S, 200 , J Cannon
1510 APOLLO PROGRAM, Grassland/r into Hills/r, 1 tech->S, 200 , we make 50+ shields
1520 S01, Plastics, 1 tech->S,F, 200,50 , Spanish: STATUE OF LIBERTY
1530 S02, Space Flight->S,F, 200,50
1540 S03, Atomic Theory, Plastics->S,F 200,50
1550 S04, 11,8,12,6,8 techs->E,A,I,S,F, Maps, 50<-F
1560 S05, Nuclear Fission, Grassland/r into Hills/r, mined -> 60+ shields
1570 S06, Spanish: MAGELLAN'S EXPEDITION
1580 S07, Nuclear Power
1590 S08
1600 S09, The Laser
1610 S10
1620 S11
1630 S12
1640 S13, Fusion Power, sold Research Lab
1650 S14, sold University
1660 S15, sold Library, J Dragoons
1670 C01, disbanded 2 Engineers
1680 C02, di N-Knights, sold Hydroplant
1690 M01, di N-Knights, sold Factory
1700 M02, di N-Riflemen, sold Bank -> 19 gold, 3 N-Riflemen, 1 N-Engineers, 1 Engineers
1710 M03, LAUNCH 15-1-1-1-1-1
1711 Bank
1712 Library
1713 Factory, traded for Mobile Warfare(S), Monotheism(S), Communism(F), Polytheism(F), 1 tech->S,F, 150,200
1714 University
1715 Research Lab, 50->J for Cease Fire
1716 Mass Transit, Recycling
1718 Environmentalism
1720 Solar Plant, Robotics
1721 Japanese: WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE
1722 SAM Missile Battery, Stealth, Japanese break Cease Fire, J Cannon
1724 City Walls
1726 Manufacturing Plant, Future Tech 1, traded for Theology(F), 1 tech->F, 150
1729 J Cavalry, all AI tribes are building spaceships, no modules yet, J Bomber can't reach us
1731 Future Tech 3
1733 Future Tech 4
1734 UNITED NATIONS, reputation is Spotless by now, Peace(J), Spanish: M01
1736 Future Tech 5, 90 shields
1739 MICHELANGELO'S CHAPEL, Future Tech 6
1741 Traded for Amphibious Warfare (S), Guerilla Warfare(I), 1 tech->S,I, 100 , French: JS BACH'S CATHEDRAL, Japanese sneak attack, J Armor
1742 Future Tech 7
1743 Sold Research Lab
1744 SETI PROGRAM
1745 Stealth Fighter, Future Tech 8, J Cannon, J Diplomat
1746 ALPHA CENTAURI

Score: 428 (55%)

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If you have no feet, don't walk on fire
[This message has been edited by Ribannah (edited October 18, 2000).]