Are you satisfied with the Civs included?

Alex 14 · July 20, 2001, 04:16

Currently everything looks perfect, the only thing i'm not sure about is the Iraqis.

JellyDonut · July 20, 2001, 05:44

Who said anything about Iraqis? Based on a previous investigation (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=19238) based on the available facts, I'm just fine with what we appear to have.

LaRusso · July 20, 2001, 06:14

people please check your spelling, at least when you are writing polls....

Hasdrubal · July 20, 2001, 07:40

Carthage's reappearance still isn't confirmed!

No Carthage = No Elephants = No Happy Hasdrubal.

Adm.Naismith · July 20, 2001, 08:04

Mostly happy, hoping that during the 12 months after game release, Firaxis will release (free download from official site) another group of Civ (from 8 to 12) we can chose from for game customizing.

I know that, if game will be a success, many fan will prepare alternative Civilizations, Units, Mod, etc.

I hope that, in a effort to sustain the selling of the game, Firaxis will "pick and adopt" the most succesful customized civilization, units, scenario, to add a professional touch in graphics, debugging (tuning) and wide availability to Civ players community (giving proper credits and a gift to the original author, of course).

On a second tought, am I speaking of Firaxis doing great support by web to an already released & cashed game?

I must be drunk!

Grumbold · July 20, 2001, 08:22

I am completely satisfied that you are Poll mad!

Provided you can plug in extra custom civs witholut having to ditch one of the starting set to make room then it really doesn't matter which ones they create. Any nations of sufficient interest will eventually be available from fan sites like apolyton. They may not have a fully animated leader graphic but that is the least of our worries.

Adm.Naismith · July 20, 2001, 09:02

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Originally posted by Grumbold
I am completely satisfied that you are Poll mad!

Poll mad?

And I only started 1 poll in two years...

Or do you mean I reply to most of poll around here?

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Provided you can plug in extra custom civs witholut having to ditch one of the starting set to make room then it really doesn't matter which ones they create. Any nations of sufficient interest will eventually be available from fan sites like apolyton. They may not have a fully animated leader graphic but that is the least of our worries.

Seriusly, my point was that most enthusiast can tweak rules.txt, arrange some gif, chose a unique unit and playtesting for a while.

That can be the most relevant part of any alternative Civ, and a well done job is really more than simply chose a nation name and attach to any dumb copy of existing Civ...

But, as I play joke on Firaxis team, I know it usually needs a professional team to bring any amateurish add-on to the same level of original game standard. Again, it's not that a die-hard fan can't play without bell&whistle, tuning things by trial and errors, but a great game (I still prefer Civ III will be a great game, trust me

) should have a longer lifespan, just because of wide support with non-dedicated, new players.

Eli · July 20, 2001, 10:11

Iraqis?

I dont like the Civs, mainly because a certain one is not included.

Grumbold · July 20, 2001, 10:42

We cross-posted AN. I levelled the accusation at the creator of this poll because he had two immediately next to each other when I posted. I admit the recent poll mania is by no means the fault of one person though

You have echoed exactly what I have said in the past. A successful Civ 3 will include an active "official" website (even if Firaxis farm out its support) where the best fan efforts are downloadable alongside the designers own efforts. We know that it will be possible to create new civs. We don't yet know whether it will be possible to load them into the game without sacrificing one or more of the originals though. The ideal situation for BAB maniacs and deranged scenario designers will have you able to select any of 100 playable positions from your pool of 16 original and 84 custom nations, with all of them available in a single game if you want to go mad! There will be a race to see who can produce the first EU scenario map

July 20, 2001, 13:01

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Originally posted by Grumbold
We know that it will be possible to create new Civs. We don't yet know whether it will be possible to load them into the game without sacrificing one or more of the originals though.

I would suspect that the number of Civs will be hard coded into the game. If you remove the American to install another Civ, you propley still have Lincoln as your Leader and the other American leaders that show up time to time and the unique units (F-15). If they don't hard code anything, then this would truly make Civ 3 one of the greatest game ever because you could change almost anything. In CTP 1 and 2 the only thing that cannot be change is the Wonder movies.

Marquis de Sodaq · July 20, 2001, 13:15

What!? No Maya? They invented the hammock, for godsakes. The Carthaginians oughta be in there too. I think the limit of 16 could result in nothing less than mild disappointment, as preferences and good candidates abound. However, any customizability will keep the civ series great.

death_head · July 20, 2001, 14:35

Incans! They built Macchu Piccu (or however you spell it)

Zealot · July 20, 2001, 14:51

I'm not pleased until Portugal is included!

We deserve to be in a Civ game!!!!

KrazyHorse · July 20, 2001, 14:52

Do you possibly think that Alex14 has confused the Iraqis with the Iroquois? If so, I demand a ban for simple ridiculousness.

Zealot · July 20, 2001, 14:58

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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Do you possibly think that Alex14 has confused the Iraqis with the Iroquois? If so, I demand a ban for simple ridiculousness.

C'mon man, don't be like this... He's just a 14 year old kid. Give him some slack.

KrazyHorse · July 20, 2001, 15:03

Eh. Iraqis. Iroquois. Big difference.

I wasn't really being serious, though. If I had been, I would've cut a lot harder.

Zealot · July 20, 2001, 15:06

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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Eh. Iraqis. Iroquois. Big difference.
I wasn't really being serious, though.

Now you're talking!

Zealot · July 20, 2001, 15:31

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Originally posted by Alex 14
Currently everything looks perfect, the only thing i'm not sure about is the Iraqis.

If you ment the Iroquois, they are definitively in:
http://viewer.fgnonline.com/fgn_medi...inkaboutit.jpg

TechWins · July 20, 2001, 22:01

Alex 14, don't you think this poll is a little bit too premature? We don't know all 16 civs that will be in the game. You should have waited until all 16 civs were confirmed by Firaxis.

me_irate · July 20, 2001, 23:24

I voted mostly because i dont know if my babylonians are in or not. if so i am entirely satisfied, if not change my vote to not satisfied and slightly angry.

Inverse Icarus · July 21, 2001, 00:20

i never play as the babylonians, theyre the perfect bi0tch civ.

their programming makes them form small, well developed cities and a mainly defensive military.

all you have to do is be bigger than them, and have a presence nearby.

i remember one of my first games of civ (i think i was on prince), i started right near babylon, and built cities around them, keeping them from the coast.

every turn i demanded gold, and got it

Alex 14 · July 21, 2001, 04:57

damn, i must be dizzy, i mean IROQUOIS

. Techwins, i think we do know most of the civs, or at least to know if we are currently satisfied with them

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Locutus · July 21, 2001, 06:47

I am mostly satifsied with the choice of civs. The thing I have a problem with is not the civs themselves but with the number, I think there should be at least 32 civs, not 16. Other than that, it's a good selection, though I would have liked to see the Arabs and Spanish in as well.

(BTW joseph, you *can* change the wonder movies in CtP, it just isn't done because including 32 new movies in a mod makes the download so huge)

Provost Harrison · July 21, 2001, 09:13

I have seen the Spanish city of Salamanca on a screenshot, so I think they are in...

Locutus · July 21, 2001, 10:36

As pointed out in the 'Civs included' thread, Salamanca is also an Iroquois city, so I think they're not in.

July 21, 2001, 13:40

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Originally posted by Locutus
(BTW joseph, you *can* change the wonder movies in CtP, it just isn't done because including 32 new movies in a mod makes the download so huge)

Thanks for the info. I did not know that, and since Wes, you, harlan and the rest of the people who helped making the mod did not change any of movies, I thought they were hard coded.

Wernazuma III · July 22, 2001, 18:29

I voted hardly, because I think Mayans or Incas should be included instead of Iroquois and still think, there should be rather 32 choices instead of 16.

Alex 14 · July 23, 2001, 03:03

Yeah, i think the option to creat your own civ is good, but it wont let you creat a custom leader will it?

Footie Mad · July 23, 2001, 20:37

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Originally posted by Alex 14
Yeah, i think the option to creat your own civ is good, but it wont let you creat a custom leader will it?

Im sure it will, but unless you want to make all the leader animations on your own I dont think it will be the same...

JellyDonut · July 23, 2001, 23:01

They should create a "generic leader" animation for custom civs if you don't create your own.