Scenarios: Conflicts in Civilization - Page 4

DrFell · January 19, 2002, 18:36

Finished it

March 1916 all 98 objectives are French. The last few turns i got lazy and didn't manage my cities as I had all the tools neccessary to finish it. I raised 1000's of gold by selling improvements, many cities have only a market and bank in them now. Anyway here's the save, I'll post a description of the game later on.

La Fayette · January 20, 2002, 13:37

DrFell
WoW
This is blitzkrieg against the Germans!
Difficult to beat I suppose, but Xin Yu is playing so I wouldn't bet.
(I haven't started yet, because I am finishing civ3 tournament 4 and the endgame takes a lot of time to play).

DrSpike · January 20, 2002, 14:16

I too am finishing my current civ3 game.

DrSpike · January 20, 2002, 14:23

Drfell

On a different note I see from your profile you are in the UK. My icq is 75355218 if you want to play some MP at some point.

Xin Yu · January 21, 2002, 21:30

As usual I'll play the first couple of turns repeatedly to find the best strategy so I'm going to be slow. In my point of view, We need 50 vet artilleries and 50 engineers (plus some transports) to finish the job. That's 20,000 + gold. Selling city improvements will not be enough so I'm going to do the caravan rehoming trick. Tunis will be my source city and I'll send freighters to London or whatever city in England which demands my commodities. After a couple of turns to accrue for about 10,000 golds I can start attacking. I'll probably play till all cities are captured, but may stop once all objectives are occupied.

Xin Yu · January 26, 2002, 07:54

Replayed and now in December 1914. Germany is gone; Turkey has only one city (objective) left; Italy has 3 cities left, one of them objective; Russia has 4 cities left (no objectives). In January 1915 I'll take care of the Turkey city and the Italy objective city.

A ship will arrive in America by Feburary 1915 so American and Neutural will be gone by Feburary. A plan is set up to capture all Britain objectives by March 1915, but maybe that's too aggresive (April 1915 should be a decent target).

DrFell was right, German cities were not well protected. In fact no cities were well protected in this scenario. I bypassed Cologne and Strassburg and marched to Berlin-Vienna line in August. Also talked to Americans and accepted invitation to crush the Russian. In September I attacked Russia, bypassed Warsaw and pushed to Petrograd-Moscow-Kharhov-Odessa line. Then I talked to Russia for a cease fire. In October, I mobilized to south and pushed to Alexandretta and Mosul. Also I took care of Cologne and Strassburg. To prevent Russia from breaking cease fire, I gave it all my techs, including the newly developed chemical warfare. November my troops were ready so I wiped out Central then attacked Russia again (got a 'poorly' reputation). At the same time southern fron I consolidated my front with only Basra and Medina in Turkey's hand. December is Italy's turn.

Like DrFell I sold a lot of city improvements. ALso I set up a benificial trade route between Marseilles and Bristol. I rehomed all freights to Marseilles, then sent to Bristol. The first 3 freights were Oil, Dye, Gold, in that order. All subsequent freights were carrying Dye. After the first 3 trades Bristol always demand Dye so I got 400 golds per freights and one tech per turn.

Bach in Leipzig and Orthodox Chirch in Minsk helped to ease happiness problems.

La Fayette · January 28, 2002, 15:03

January 1916
I give up.
Was clearly on my way to finish in March or April (together with you, DrFell), but my transport full of good units has just been sent to the bottm offshore New York. No need to go on, I suppose. Better luck next game, I hope.
Xin Yu? DrFell? DrSpike? would you mind playing ww79 next?

DrSpike · January 28, 2002, 15:21

Haven't got around to playing the other one yet, since I'm struggling to finish the civ3 tourney4 game on time.

La Fayette · January 28, 2002, 15:46

Quote:

Originally posted by DrSpike
I'm struggling to finish the civ3 tourney4 game on time.

Good luck to you. That one is tough.

DrSpike · January 28, 2002, 15:53

Tell me about it. If I win it'll be by domination, so a lengthy endgame is on the cards. I can't see me finishing till the 1900s. What a b*tch of a map

La Fayette · January 28, 2002, 16:07

... and domination is granted very late.
The guidebook states that you get it when you own 2/3 of the land. In this game (tournament 4) I was granted domination when I owned 87%!
enjoy, Dr!

(La Fayette, relax as usual, but nevertheless convinced that the 2/3 rule given in the book was a nice remedy against boring endgame)

Xin Yu · January 28, 2002, 16:28

ww79 is fine but which civ? All seems extremely easy (you get money from caravans, then attack Chinese, Mideast, or Soviet capitals. After the capitals gone you bribe all other cities. Then you deal with other civs one at a time (hopefully, since you need some diplomatic manuver to dissolve AI civs' alliances).

DrFell · January 28, 2002, 16:32

I'd play it but I don't have a copy of it - I'd need someone to send me it.

Xin Yu · January 29, 2002, 05:04

Finished March 1915. All civs destroyed except British has two cities in Far East (Multan and hyderabad). Total 71 objectives obtained. Must have destroyed several objectives.

La Fayette · January 29, 2002, 05:52

Quote:

Originally posted by Xin Yu
Finished March 1915

If DrFell played blitzkrieg, we must find a new word for what you achieved. 'Lightningwar' perhaps?
Which one would you like next? My proposal was ww79 because I have no idea at all about that game, but in fact I don't care.
You choose, then one of us sends the game to DrFell, so that he can also have a try.

Xin Yu · January 29, 2002, 06:21

La Fayette, look at my previous post. I'm ok with ww79. Which civ shall we play?
Perhaps you can send DrFell the scn since last time it worked. He doesn't have MPE (otherwise he should have the scns), so he may not be able to read my MPE version files.

DrFell · January 29, 2002, 17:23

Xin - I have a converted from tot version of the game, which means I don't have the scns but I can read mpe files - I actually play multiplay quite a lot on the zone

. By the way good result on the scenario, March 1915 is very impressive. I'll have to have a look at some of the saves if you post them on your site. There are 98 objectives I think - that's quite a lot destroyed!

Xin Yu · January 29, 2002, 18:35

DrFell,
Considering the power of caravan rehoming, it is reasonable for my to cut several turns to your record. Yours is still a pretty good record, if you did not do caravan rehoming.
I'm searching for a suitable template for the ww1 page. It should be pretty easy to upload the saved files afterwards.

DrFell · January 29, 2002, 23:20

I actually didn't use caravans at all in that one - I went straight for conquest selling buildings for cash. I was perhaps stuck in the same strategy I used for Rome and Alexandre - the main limit being how fast you can get to the cities, not the number of units. Got slowed down a bit a few times, especially when sending the transport to the USA. That added a few turns on to my time, if I'd sent it off straight away I probably would have done better. Might try rehoming in the next scn, if it's appropriate (haven't seen ww79 before).

DrFell · January 29, 2002, 23:22

Xin, just checked my emails - thanks for sending me the scenario, I'll have a look at it tommorrow

La Fayette · January 30, 2002, 04:56

DrFell, please let me know if you manage to play the game sent by Xin Yu. My proposal is to play ww79 with the Indians.
But it would be nice if we manage to take a decision about rehoming. I rehomed many caravans before coming to Apolyton and learning that it is written somewhere on the camel that it shouldn't be done. What do you think?

Xin Yu · January 30, 2002, 05:25

La Fayette, let's leave it open. Just ask everybody to mention whether he used caravan rehoming.

Xin Yu · January 30, 2002, 06:13

Ouch! The first turn Soviet Declared war on Chinese, Western Europe, Northern American. Several A-bombs exploded in Soviet land, then the second turn Soviet retaliate and nuked two Chinese cities and several European ones. Skulls everywhere. Can we change the scenario and make pollution doesn't matter?

Indian only has 5 cities but the Middle East is an easy target. Just build some Howies and bombers and you can advance all the way to Africa. But afterwards needs to be careful. Nukes are really nasty.

DrFell · January 30, 2002, 10:28

Hehehe, the same thing happened to me, I played as the europeans before reading any of the posts on here - I made peace with Russia and planned to trade some oil with the far east. But the USA nuked a couple eastern Russian cities, and on the Russian turn they nuked every city in China, and a couple in the US. There go all my far eastern trading opportunities, global warming here we come...

'DrFell, please let me know if you manage to play the game sent by Xin Yu. My proposal is to play ww79 with the Indians. '

Yep the scenario worked fine, I'll give it a go with the Indians too.

La Fayette · January 30, 2002, 11:25

AFAIK there is neither pollution nor global warming in scenarios (at least I have never met them in any scenario that I have played up to now). I guess we are going to see many skulls in the near future, all due to nukes and no one to industry, but no global warming to expect, I suppose.
Do you feel better?
(would be fun if the world is to be covered with skulls, except glorious India and a few neighbouring cities that we can make ours with a few howies!).

Xin Yu · January 30, 2002, 14:22

I encountered global warming in Apocalypse scenario. Every now and then some of my good lands became desert and jungle.

La Fayette · January 30, 2002, 18:47

Perhaps I forgot something that happened.
Anyway there IS pollution in this ww79 scenario. I got one skull during turn #1 and another one during turn #2. With the number of nukes exploding all around we sure get global warming quite soon if it hasn't been disabled.

DrFell · January 30, 2002, 21:27

I don't think it has been disabled - I'm several turns in and I just got the global warming warning. In my game Europe, China, and Eastern Russia are covered in skulls. Russia is really crushing Europe, but the Chinese just started nuking the western Russian cities before I took Beijing and bribed all their cities

It cost a LOT though, and I think I probably would have been better off if I'd used howies. At least now I can send off a few more transports full of freight off to the USA.

Xin Yu · January 30, 2002, 21:53

The best strategy to avoid nukes without SDI (never tried) is probably have all units out of cities and try to avoid enemy sneaking in. This requires some air superiority to kill close by units and some engineers to build fortresses to host troops. I really hate skulls. But unless I play as Russia I don't see a possibility to avoid a nuke war.

La Fayette · February 1, 2002, 16:37

Xin
Don't play this one if you hate skulls: I think that any european city has been nuked at least twice in my game up to now (feb 82).

India has neither nuked or been nuked yet, but all yellow flags have turned purple with help of an industrious team of howies.
I am now at war with the better half of the world (Neutrals + Americans + China), so it looks like some heavy fighting ahead, even if it remains without nukes for a while.