apolyton pack

carve · July 27, 2001, 16:43

I just downloaded the apol-pack and have just started
a new game to try it out... a few things I have noticed
so far and a few questions:

Why is a beach with a river changed to be the same
as a regular beach? I thought it made sense in the
original rules that a delta would be a more valuable
piece of land... I think I got it changed back ok.

I commented out the extra zero-ignored wonder at the
top of that file so it doesn't show up in the build
list... does that have to be there for some reason?

I also noticed that I can't build any more hoplites!
I have 10 hoplites and I can't choose them anymore
even though I have the advance... I have 5 cities...
so does that mean one can only build two hoplites
per city? What does one have to do to change that
back? Quick I am being swarmed by barbarians and I
can't build city walls yet... :O

Is there any files I can download which explains in
detail what has been changed and what one can do to
change them back if one doesn't like a particular
modification? A description of the reasoning behind
some of the less obvious changes would be nice as well.

Oh and another thing... isn't possible to have the
female leader option and have a picture for her?

Thanks

Pedrunn · July 28, 2001, 00:51

You sure got a point on the beach tile. The river should give something like all the other tile.
My sugestion is: go to APOL_terrain.txt when you find the TERRAIN_WATER_BEACH, then under this there is a line EnvRiver, and change the numbers 0 to 5 in Food and Gold.

Good Luck

Martin Gühmann · July 28, 2001, 09:29

Quote:

Originally posted by carve
I commented out the extra zero-ignored wonder at the
top of that file so it doesn't show up in the build
list... does that have to be there for some reason?

The zero-ignored wonder fix a small bug, concerning the first wonder in the wonder.txt. If an AI start to build the first wonder from this file you won't get a warning that the AI started to build thgis wonder. So this wonder was added in front of the other wonders. Open the APOLl_wonder.txt in your ..\ctp2_data\default\gamedata\ folder and add to the first wonder the line GLHidden and than it shouldn't appear in the GL any more.

Quote:

Oh and another thing... isn't possible to have the female leader option and have a picture for her?

That is possible to reimplement, but in CTP it is only possible to have one picture for every civ.

-Martin

carve · July 28, 2001, 15:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Pedrunn
You sure got a point on the beach tile. The river should give something like all the other tile.
My sugestion is: go to APOL_terrain.txt when you find the TERRAIN_WATER_BEACH, then under this there is a line EnvRiver, and change the numbers 0 to 5 in Food and Gold.

Good Luck

Thanks. That is what I did. But the main thing that concerns me
now with that pack is why the hoplite disappeared from the build
choices in the apolyton mod pack. I am wondering if it was set
to expire a lot earlier than in the original rules. It is supposed to
be obsolete at gunpowder right? In the game I started it became
unavailable long before that... before I could build any other units
with much of any defense... after I couldn't build any more hoplites
all that was left was the archer and the warrior... so you can see it
expired ( or disappeared or whatever happened) pretty earlier in
the game. Anyone have any clues on that one?

Thanks

carve · July 28, 2001, 15:13

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin Gühmann

The zero-ignored wonder fix a small bug, concerning the first wonder in the wonder.txt. If an AI start to build the first wonder from this file you won't get a warning that the AI started to build thgis wonder. So this wonder was added in front of the other wonders. Open the APOLl_wonder.txt in your ..\ctp2_data\default\gamedata\ folder and add to the first wonder the line GLHidden and than it shouldn't appear in the GL any more.

Thanks. I will try that. Does the 'GLHidden' line have to come in a
certain spot or just anywhere in the zero-ignored wonder definition?

I noticed in that game I started with the apolyton pack that a couple of
other empires have built The Agency and Data Haven as their first
wonders... right at the start of the game... ack!!
Does that zero-ignored wonder fix that or is that some other unrelated
bug?

Martin Gühmann · July 28, 2001, 17:45

Quote:

Originally posted by carve Thanks. I will try that. Does the 'GLHidden' line have to come in a certain spot or just anywhere in the zero-ignored wonder definition?

I would put under the last entry of the zero-ignored wonder.

For your second problem I have no real idea. The only reason that I can consider why you can get such a bug is that you started a new game without the ApolytonPack and then continued it with the ApolytonPack, but you allready said you started the game with the pack. Unfortunatly I haven't access on the APOL_ files yet.

Therefore I can't search in them for bugs.

-Martin

Dale · July 29, 2001, 18:27

When I was going through fixing the ZERO_WONDER bug, I noticed all these things you mentioned.

- AI building wonders when not available
- Not able to build things when I knew I could
- A few other thing

These are all fixed. I'll be uploading update_1.01 to the world today, so keep an eye on the Apolyton Pack thread at the top.

Also puts back the proper beach terrain settings.

carve · July 30, 2001, 16:29

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin Gühmann

I would put under the last entry of the zero-ignored wonder.

For your second problem I have no real idea. The only reason that I can consider why you can get such a bug is that you started a new game without the ApolytonPack and then continued it with the ApolytonPack, but you allready said you started the game with the pack. Unfortunatly I haven't access on the APOL_ files yet.

Therefore I can't search in them for bugs.

-Martin

I tired that GLHidden directive and started a new game. I seem
to have no problems with not being able to build hoplites or
any other units... I think that was indeed because I commented
out that first wonder definition in the ApolPack and then didn't
start a new game.

But a 'zero-ignored wonder' still appears along with Aristotles
Lyceum in the list of wonders one can build. I don't know if
that is a problem... I haven't noticed any other empires
trying to build it and I know I won't bother with it...

thanks

carve · July 30, 2001, 16:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale
When I was going through fixing the ZERO_WONDER bug, I noticed all these things you mentioned.

- AI building wonders when not available
- Not able to build things when I knew I could
- A few other thing

These are all fixed. I'll be uploading update_1.01 to the world today, so keep an eye on the Apolyton Pack thread at the top.

Also puts back the proper beach terrain settings.

Thanks I will check it out...

One other thing I noticed which may not be a bug...
it seems some empires don't like to take their wounded
units into a city to get them healed up and instead keep
running them around the countryside as if they were fully
healthy. I don't know if all empires do this... is this a
bug like that one where AI empires wouldn't refill aircraft?
Maybe those units are just shell-shocked and don't know
enough to head for cover... lol

Keep up the good work...

carve · July 31, 2001, 13:44

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale
I'll be uploading update_1.01 to the world today, so keep an eye on the Apolyton Pack thread at the top.

Don't mean to sound impatient but have you done that yet?
I am just not sure where you mean the link will be...
at the top of this page? Can you post the link here?

Thanks

Immortal Wombat · July 31, 2001, 14:04

Yeah, its up, at the temporary CTP2 database on http://www.mydocsonline.com
login: hexagonia
password: hextapul

In folder Apolyton Pack I would think.

On a sidenote, if the database isn't updated soon, I think I may apply for vacant position of CTP2 DB manager...

hexagonian · July 31, 2001, 14:09

...and you'll get my hearty endorsement for the job.

Cradle is going on 2 months now since I asked for it to be posted - and Dale's codes/Martin's CityMod2 have been as long too.

Locutus · July 31, 2001, 18:13

Quote:

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
On a sidenote, if the database isn't updated soon, I think I may apply for vacant position of CTP2 DB manager...

Too late, I beat you to it! By weeks actually, but apparently Dan and Markos are so busy they don't even have time to set things up for me

I pushed both Dan and Markos to let me help them out several times since sending my first email but so far without tangible results. I guess all you guys can do is wait and be patient, while I'll keep pushing them into action until I have a new title (other than King

) under my handle...

hexagonian · July 31, 2001, 21:10

The line starts behind Dale, Martin and me!!!

...or me Dale and Martin

...or Martin, me and Dale

as long as we can see our files up here - here's hoping that happens soon.

Immortal Wombat · August 1, 2001, 04:41

Ah well, worth a try, eh?

Oh, BTW, this post gives me one more than Locutus

are you really still a Prince?

Locutus · August 1, 2001, 16:34

IW, my motto is 'Quality over quantity', what's yours?

Immortal Wombat · August 1, 2001, 18:23

Quality in Quantity

Dale · August 1, 2001, 19:11

I gotta different motto to you guys........

"Where's my missing 300 posts!"

Martin Gühmann · August 2, 2001, 07:13

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale
I gotta different motto to you guys........

"Where's my missing 300 posts!"

300 missing posts?

And I thought that are 400. I looked into your profile there you have 157 currently, but I also searched for all of your posts and that are now 557. And that are all on topic posts. Dale you should start a new threat about this in the Apolyton Community Forum. Also other people asked there to get back their lost posts.
I showed you how you can prove it, so it should be no problem.

-Martin

Dale · August 2, 2001, 19:16

Cool! Thanks Martin, I never thought of doing a full search for how many I've posted.

An extra 400 eh?.........

Immortal Wombat · August 2, 2001, 19:21

Just enough for a custom avatar then

Dale · August 2, 2001, 20:11

Hmmm................. what to have???????