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			Now, I said I wouldn't post anything negative unless it was warranted by new information.  Well, how about something POSITIVE?  From Yin?  Absolutely.  This made me VERY happy today.  From a thread I started WAY back, notice the date:  http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum6/HTML/001203.html
 
"Civer's Edition": How much would you pay? 
 
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When Ultima9 came out, I jumped at the chance to buy the Dragon Edition. It included a cool (old-school) cloth map, game music on a separate audio CD, "simulated leather" spellbook and manual, 8 tarrot cards, an ankh, Ultimas 1-8 on a separate disk, a letter of thanks from RG, and a HUGE box! I gladly paid $70+ for it. 
[Note: The game itself was buggy, the box so damn big that stuff rolled around inside and got messy and bent, the ankh was REALLY cheap, the tarrot cards cartoony, the best of previous Ultimas unplayable under Windows, and they released an "enhanced making of U9 cd" a few weeks later instead of in the box--which pretty much ruined the experience.] 
 
BUT... 
 
I think a "Civer Edition" Civ3 would simply be awesome.  
 
How much would I pay?: approximately $70-80 
 
What would I want to see inside it?: 
- A game CD with a cool map of the world on it.
 
- Civ1 and 2 on a special "Civ Collector's" CD, with the original manuals in .pdf format (only if some deal could be struck with Microprose, of course).
 
- A cloth map of the world (or a great fold-out with cool historical facts and a timeline on the back).
 
- A "Making of Civ3" CD which includes the music tracks and sound effects.
 
- A paperback History of the World by some well-known historian.
 
- I wonder how much it would cost to put in a Britannica "History of the World" or "History of War" CD in the box?
 
- A pewter figurine (each box is different!). You would get one of the follwing: A globe; a phalanx; a bomber; a nuclear missile; or a settler. 1000 lucky fans would get ALL of them! Of course, each one would have "CivIII" stamped on it somewhere.
 
- A letter from Sid, Jeff and Firaxis. You know, one of those simulated signature ones telling us how cool it's been working on the game and how great the Civ fans are. =)
 
 How about you? What would you pay? What would you want in that box? 
 
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			Of course, it's quite easy to believe they had this thought long before this thread appeared, but if we even helped a little to convince them that the idea is a good one, then Apolyton SHOULD be proud.  I really hope they learn the lesson from U9, though.  I think they must have. 
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			Yeah, a "Making Of" CD should definitely not be given to the untrained masses... they might find out all the ugly details that Firaxis wants kept quiet among the uninformed. 
 
"Then Brian Reynolds, also known as the Chariot-slayer, foully betrayed our coalition.  I immediately challenged him to a duel (click here to see video!), but after but one knick, he foolishly ran off before we could cleave him in twain- but not before the vile sabotage was done, and progress on Civ3 was set back by generations.  We needed a mighty effort to complete our task- we needed to find the Holy Gravship which contained the Almighty Code of Healing, last rumoured to be seen on the Meier continent.  Sadly enough The Holy Gravship's Code of Healing turned out to be a Code of Laws, reused from CivI.  But what the heck, we installed it in our computers anyway.  The results were amazing!  But since we had no Network Node at our Hunt Valley base, we could not extract all the secrets possible.  So a conservative sequel it was.  But the Code did have one important prophecy...  Once we get the proper funding from Civ3, we shall fully decipher the contents of our finds, and the traitor Reynolds shall be brought to Divine Justice, and Civ 4 shall be proclaimed throughout the land, and lo, there will be peace that will last a thousand years." 
 
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			"Yin" 3 letters 
"Sid" also 3 letters 
 
Now, spell it backwards: DISNIY = DISNEY.
 
If anybody is curious about my next project, just keep that in mind.  I'm amazed nobody noticed.  I was hoping it would be more obvious.  Well, I had you guys going a good, long while!  Do you think I somehow "predicted" the golf game and Civ 3 limited edition?  Those were HINTS to you guys as to what was coming, but nobody got it.  Ah, well.  It's hard to convey certain things via the Net.  
 
By the way, all your help getting me to put that bear of a List together was OUTSTANDING!  I knew if you thought you were giving suggestions to "Sid" himself that you guys would hold back instead of brainstorming.  I look forward to making some official 'Thank You's closer to release time.
 
But I think the highlight was when I asked Markos to strip me of my moderatorship for reposting Jeff Morris' article about bugs.  LOL!  Didn't you guys think that made NO sense at the time?  Well now you know why.  I couldn't put in the time to moderate the forums, so I had to do something REMOTELY worth being stripped of the title.  That one was the best I could think of.  My thanks to Markos for being such a good sport and taking some heat.  
 
In case anybody is wondering about the "old Yin" from SMAC days, he mailed me one day and apologized, saying he'd post under a new identity from then on and hoped I'd understand he was just trying to help.  Of course I understood but asked if I could keep the name "Yin" to post under later on.  We've both been having great laughs since.
 
I probably shouldn't have admitted to all this since I've never had such a good stress release in my life, and all of us here just got such great laughs at all of it, and you guys have been the best.  Now that you know who I am, I guess I'll *really* have to post less now, eh?    
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I probably shouldn't have admitted to all this since I've never had such a good stress release in my life, and all of us here just got such great laughs at all of it, and you guys have been the best.  Now that you know who I am, I guess I'll *really* have to post less now, eh?   
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			Wow!  And here all this time I have thought that Yin was some Jerk who is just always negative about everything and won't give anybody or anything a chance!!  I should have kept in mind that this is Sid we are talking about and that is just like him to do something like that!  He even headed up the Official Apolyton Pessimism Club for a little (until Markos closed it down!)  Great job Sid!  I don't think anybody here had a clue!!  So all this time you have been sitting here reading our complaints and our begging sessions to Firaxis pleading that they give us information on something, and here you have been with all that information!  Oh well, I would prefer to be kept in suspens about a lot of the game, that way when it come out I can be amazed by how wonderful it is!      
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			 
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			I ... have no words ..... 
 
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I haven't been posting in the civ forums for a long time , but I was reading and keeping track all the time ... 
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What a tragedy! The man once helped to realize so great task as  The Longest  Incredible  Suggestions  Thorah of all the TBS games ever is now gone forever!    
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			are people still considering that crap might be true? it's not even funny, why are you guys even talking about it?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			August 8, 2001, 15:31
			
			
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			are people still considering that crap might be true? it's not even funny, why are you guys even talking about it?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			August 8, 2001, 15:58
			
			
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			yeah... 
at least somebody here must be Sid...
 
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			August 8, 2001, 17:22
			
			
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			Hmmm, I really don't know what to think about the Yin=Sid connection.     
Hey Markos, any input from your court concerning this dilemma?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			 
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			August 8, 2001, 19:19
			
			
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			Heh, funny one Sid *ahem* Yin   
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			 
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			ooh ooh i have an idea     .... maybe.... ITS NOT #^@%@^$#% TRUE!@!!!! ever consider that???
 
Im sorry, but its just not true. it just cant be. sid meier would not have enough time to do all that posting, and even moderating Its got to be a load of bs. if it isn't, you fooled me way too well and too long, sid, and im sorry, but i really believe that its not possible that yin is sid. im with whoever said that i want to see it somewhere official (ala the firaxis site)
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			 
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