Hidden Specials

cpemma · August 2, 2001, 14:40

I've been reading Gastrifitis' excellent work on settlers & engineers (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...7&pagenumber=1), one thing I'm not sure on.

If you suspect a special is on a mountain square, what do you do?

freshman · August 2, 2001, 15:31

I always thought specials are only hidden for grassland. To reveal it, you must mine or transform the grassland

Smash · August 2, 2001, 15:52

A mountain special would be there allready.Or any other non grass tile.Yes,only grass.Anything else is a waste.

cpemma · August 2, 2001, 17:50

Guess my wifes right about my map-reading.

La Fayette · August 2, 2001, 19:06

Quote:

Originally posted by cpemma

If you suspect a special is on a mountain square, what do you do?

Nothing to suspect:
either you see it (yellow=gold, red=iron)
or there is no special on that mountain

(rah, discovering a gold mountain)

cpemma · August 4, 2001, 17:03

And is it only grassland with a shield that could be a special?

Scouse Gits · August 4, 2001, 18:42

Hidden specials are possible from ordinary grassland tiles as well.

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SG(2)

fittstim · August 6, 2001, 07:42

Really??? Have you confirmed this???

I have never ever seen a non-shield grassland hide a special square. Or rather I should say that the grassland square that is hiding a special resource has always (and I really mean always) been a shield-grassland square. I just thought this was part of the game...

rah · August 6, 2001, 08:35

Yes sir ree LF,

(rah, discovering a gold mountain)

Nothing sweeter than seeing gold on the opening screen, with a rivered grassland next to it and a few forests. Monarchy by 3250, here we come.

RAH
Assuming 2x1x of course.

Marquis de Sodaq · August 6, 2001, 09:20

Quote:

Originally posted by fittstim
... Or rather I should say that the grassland square that is hiding a special resource has always (and I really mean always) been a shield-grassland square.

I side with SG on this one. Just last nite I played a short while, and I converted (IIRC) a shieldless grassland tile to a silk. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I'm certain it was without shield.

Sounds like something that needs to be tested today to verify!

Blaupanzer · August 6, 2001, 09:54

I also converted a nonshield grass square to a pheasant this weekend. It was on a peninsula (so no pattern clues), and I was going for forest. While not displeased, it was a surprise. I am certain it was a non-shield grassland.

Xin Yu · August 6, 2001, 13:22

Shields follow a different pattern (for a row of tiles from lowerleft to upperright: 2 with shield, 2 without, 2 with, 2 without, ..., and switch with/without shield for neighboring rows) and are independent from special patterns. Hence it is quite possible that a special can be hidden under an un-shielded grass.

Jay Bee · August 6, 2001, 13:47

... and I confirm it for the third time. I have had to change many shieldless grassland tiles into other terrains for scenario design purposes.

Ecthy · August 7, 2001, 11:45

ahem, the shield pattern for grasslands is totally independant from the special resource pattern. that is why there's nothing speaking against a non-shield grassland hiding a special resource... no, I can't prove it

, it's just the way it is

fittstim · August 9, 2001, 09:23

Well lo' and behold, the next time I played CivII, I "found" a special resource under a non-shield grassland square. So I can now assuredly say that there is no connection between the two.

I didn't know there actually was a shield pattern for the grassland squares. It looks so random...

Ecthy · August 9, 2001, 13:46

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that's the one

just start the map editor and create a big area of only grassland... you'll recognize it at once... it does look random though, only found out after Provost Harrison told me abvout it half a year ago

after playing it for 5 years that is