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Expansion Pack Civs (Part 2)
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There has been a lot of debate about which civs should have been included in Civ3 but weren't and should thus be put in an Expansion Pack (if there will ever be one). In my opinion there have been too many threads about this subject already and it's getting tiresome but I decided to start my own anyway. This is because IMHO none of the existing threads is really satisfactory: all these threads are standard vBB polls that only allow 10 options, while there are many more civs to choose from and some civs are more important than others. That's why I suggest a different system, one that allows everyone to vote for those civs which (s)he thinks are the most important. Hopefully this allows everyone to say their thing and be done with it...

I suggest we use the following system: you can post up to 16 civs that you feel should be included in an expansion pack (no more since an expansion pack is not likely to contain more and because it would only be more work to keep track of). You can post any civs you feel should be included, whether it's a big civ like Spain or a small one like Liechtenstein You can assign points to each of these civs: the more points you give, the more important you think it is for this civ to be included. You can assign at most 160 points in total and 20 to a single civ (this to prevent people from giving a lot of points to one civ and thus disrupting the 'reliability' of this poll). I'll volunteer to keep track of all posts and keep an overall ranking in this first post.

Edit: a couple of new 'rules' to avoid misunderstandings:
* If you just post civ names and no points, the points will be distributed equally among all choices. So if you post 16 names without points, all choices will get 10 points. If you post 8 names, all choices will get 20 points. If you don't agree with the points I assigned to your choices, give points yourself in the first place or change your vote afterwards (see below).
* Post an exact name: for the purpose of this thread, different names indicate different civs. Of course, it doesn't matter when you vote for Celts, Kelts or Celtic but it does matter when you post for Israeli, Jews or Hebrew. If you vote for Hebrew your points go to the Hebrew, if you vote for Israeli your points go to the Israeli, whether you think these two are the same or not (same with Turks/Ottoman, etc). If you post several names, e.g. Turks/Ottoman or Carthagian/Phoenician, all points go to the name you post first. So in the examples the points would go to Turks and Carthagian.
* If you wish to change your vote for any reason, that's possible but please don't edit your existing post or just post a new list. This would be very confusing for me to keep track of. Instead, only post the changes you wish to make. FE, if you already voted but see someone vote for the Cubans and think 'that's brilliant, why didn't I think of that?', you can change your vote by posting 'Arabs -7, Cubans +7' or something like that. Please do this even if you still have enough points left, so I can doublecheck to make sure you don't exceed the maximum number of civs/points. So if you only 'spent' 150 points over 12 civs, don't just posts 'Cubans 10' but rather 'Cubans +10'. TIA for doing so.

Some example civs to guide you in picking your civs (by no means exhaustive, feel free to post others): (Africa) Bantu, Zimbabwe, Swahili, Nigeria, Benin, Ghana, Mali, Moors, Morocco, Ethiopia/Axum, Nubia, Carthage, South Africa/Boer (Americas) Eskimo, Canada, Sioux, Cheyenne, Apache, Navajo, Hopi, Olmec, Maya, Inca, Tolmec, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina (Oceania) Maori, Aboriginals, Australia, Polynesia, Philippines, Indonesia (Asia) Khmer, Siam/Thai, Burma/Myanmar, Cambodia, Mongol, Annam/Vietnam, Korea, Tibet, Tamil, Sikh, Moghul, Kazakh, Pakistan, Parthia, Bactria, Armenia, Arabia, Hebrew, Hittites, Sumerian, Turkish/Ottomans, Byzantine, Phoenicia, Fillistines(sp?), Iraq (Europe) Spanish, Dutch, Minoan, Celts, Viking, Polish, Austria(-Hungary), Italy, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Danish, Scots, Irish, Belgium, Portuguese, Basque, Slavic, Serbia, Macedonia, Czech, Swiss, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Goths (for more: see ranking)



Here's the overall ranking (last update: Cybershy, # of votes: 51, # of points: 7734):
#&nbsp Civilizations     &nbsp  &nbsp Points  &nbsp Votes
1. Mongols
637
40
2. Spanish
597
38
3. Vikings
573
37
4. Arabs
566
37
5. Inca
499
35
6. Turks/Ottomans
461
35
7. Hebrew/Israelis
344
26
8. Celts
321
24
9. Maya
266
24
10. Ethiopians
253
19
11. Carthaginians
247
18
12. Dutch
218
18
13. Koreans
125
9
14. Phoenicians
180
15
15. Portuguese
165
14
16. Sioux/Dakota
130
12
17. Polynesians
111
10
18. Byzantines
97
9
19. Khmer
94
10
20. Mali
85
9
21. Assyrians
80
7
22. Australians
79
7
23. Huns
66
6
24. Polish
61
8
25. Siamese
55
5
26. Apache
54
5
27. Aborigines
53
4
28. Canadians
50
4
29. Italians
50
3
30. Tibetans
49
5
31. Eskimos
49
4
32. Trojans
41
3
33. Sumerians
40
4
34. Songhai
40
3
35. Serbs
40
2
36. Zimbabwe
39
4
37. Vietnamese
37
3
38. Ghanaians
33
3
39. Magyar/Hungarian
32
4
40. Philistines
30
2
41. Philippines
30
2
42. Mexicans
28
3
43. Olmec
28
3
44. Austro-Hungarians
25
3
45. Hittites
25
3
46. Nigerians
25
3
47. Slavs
25
3
48. Kushites
25
2
49. Inuit
21
3
50. Scandinavians
20
3
51. Scots
20
2
52. Bangladesh
20
1
53. Bedouin
20
1
54. Confederates
20
1
55. Cuba
20
1
56. Indonesia
20
1
57. Iraq
20
1
58. Kilwans
20
1
59. Tartars
20
1
60. Ugandians
20
1
61. Welsh
20
1
62. Neanderthals
18
2
63. Hopi
16
2
64. Nubians
16
2
65. Cherokee
15
2
66. Etruscs
15
2
67. Goths
15
2
68. Hawaiians
15
2
69. Navaho
15
2
70. Yankees
15
2
71. Anasazi
15
1
72. Native Americans
14
2
73. Berbers
13
2
74. Boers
13
2
75. Hmong
13
2
76. Tunguz
13
2
77. Mesopotamians
12
1
78. Argentinians
10
1
79. Armenia
10
1
80. Bantu
10
1
81. Harappan
10
1
82. Indus Valley People
10
1
83. Javans
10
1
84. Maori
10
1
85. Columbians
7
1
86. Kazakhs
5
1
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Old August 14, 2001, 06:49   #2
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Old August 14, 2001, 09:05   #3
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Old August 14, 2001, 09:42   #4
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i have a correction... i gave 5 points to indus valley people
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Old August 14, 2001, 10:50   #5
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Cool thread!

Mongols 20
Arabs 20
Spanish 15
Hebrews 15
Turks 15
Assyrians 15
Byzantines 15
Phoenicians 15
Vikings 10
Minoans 10
Incas 10
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Old August 14, 2001, 12:22   #6
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New Zealand 10
Fiji 10
Tonga 5
Papua New Guinea 5
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Arabs 20
Maya 20
Spanish 20
Dutch 15
Assyrians 15
Inca 10
Dakota 10
Khmer 10
Accra 10
Cretan (Minoan) 10
Byzantines 10
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Mongols 5
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Vikings 5
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Viking -10
Spanish -5
Inca -5
Anasazi -5
Hawaiian +5
Hebrew -10
Arab -5
Ethiopia +7
Boer +7
Berber +7
Hmong +7
Tibetan +7
Suggestions for other people to vote for: Trolls, Elves, Atlanteans, Leprechauns, Fairies, Titans, Olympian Gods, Centaurs, Satyrs, Chechens, Khazars, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Siberians, Taiwanese, Ainu, Manchurians, Nepalese, Mandarins, Cantonese, Mongolians, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Aryans, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans, Fijians, Tupi, Guarani, Arawak, Miwok, Maidu, Utes, Paiutes, Powhatans, Creek Indians, Misssissipian Indians, Hopewell, Mound Builders, Athapaskans, Cree, Mormons, Shakers, Amish, Afro Americans, Texans, Oregonians, Californians, Quebecois, New Englanders, Mid Atlantic Americans, Acadians (Cajuns), Missourians, Mulattoes, Mestizoes, Gypsies, Finno-Ugrics, Bushmen, Bantu, Khoisan, Malagasy, Apes, Cetaceans, Cro Magnons, Royalists, Communists, Socialists, Fascists, democrats, republicans, Thracians, Normans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Castillians, Basque, Catalans, Sevillians, Leonians, Aragonians
I think its neat that people have chosen Confederates, Neanderthals, Trojans, Indus Valley Civ, Bedouins, and Tatars.
The Hmong are a culture from Southeast Asia who I don't think have ever had their own territory.
I'm glad you liked my list. Just what was it you found unusual about it? I like your thread, and its rules, they are brilliant! I'm glad to have gotten in on it near the beginning.
Here are some suggested individual expansion packs: Greece, British Isles, Holy Land, United States Political , Racial, And Religious Factions, Californian Native Americans, and Nigerian Tribes.
Possible Neanderthal city names might include Ooga Booga, Ugh, Grunt, Zugzug, Flaw, Atook, Bambam, Pebbles, Bedrock, Flintstone, Rubble, Stone, and Slate.
The following is just a joke, but maybe my list should have followed my ancestry: Norwegian 20, Swiss 5, English 1, French 1, Irish 1, Scotch 1, Cherokee 1.
Carthage and Phonecia should be separate just like Celts, English, and Americans are.
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Spanish 20
Mongols 20
Vikings 20
Inca 20
Arabs 20
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Byzantines 20
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Why is everybody talking about the "Vikings"?
Does anybody know what they are talking about?

The Vikings was a designation of a man who went over sea as an explorer, trader or pirate. Their "true nationality" where Danes, Norwegian, Swede or some of the other lokal scandinavian tribes.

Calling that Scandinavian civilisation "the Vikins" is like calling the Americans "The Marines" or the Japanese "the Samurai".

Laros, "Non Viking"
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BTW, MarkG, considering this is Locutus' project, shouldn't he have been the one making the first post? I mean, he still has to edit it, you know. Now the post having all the results has to be somewhere in the middle of first page of thread.
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Vikings 10
Australia 10
Brazil 10
Indonesia 10
Mongols 10
Sumerians 10
Ethiopia 10
South Afrika 10
Iran 10
Oekraïne 10
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Portugal 10
Incas 10
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Carthaginians: 10
Vikings!: 20
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For that matter, laros, you could argue that the Germans be considered Prussia and any number of other minor city states.
I believe that history agrees with you up to the point where you say they werent a civilization. They were a group of raiding parties and an army centered around a central cause, roughly like the Mongols.
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All, please stop posting in this thread but continue here.

Markos,
Thanks for posting this thread when that other one started to act weird. However, as Stefu said, I can't edit the first post here and thus not post any updates. Would you be so kind as to untop and close this thread and top the new one. TIA...
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