My God!!!!!!!!!

[splangy]

i was just thinking about how a earth map 6x as large as the old earth map and realised that england alone will be able to hold 24+ cities (used to be about 4, x6 = 24)!! wow can you imagine how hard it will be to colonise america or *gasp* asia , that gona be a pretty cool map ! i can just imagine taking over china or india that will be a VERY big challenge

any thoughts!

[DrFell]

I just hope I have the patience to play on such a big map...

[mark13]

Patience is what it's all about in the end - anything over about 30-35 cities and I get bored to tears, I'm afraid....still, it'll be interesting to see what it'll be like. I just think it's a shame you can't have more than 7 civs on a map, to be honest....

[The diplomat]

You do realize that on such a large map, it could take forever to even meet the other civs? You could very well play 3/4 of the game all alone!

[M. le Comte]

When will these nasty developpers have the idea to raise the number of civs present at the same time on the map ?

I know that goes against the meaning of "civilization", because a civilization is always composed by more that one state. But we don't care that concept ! After all, since civilization I, there are a german, a spanish and a french civ, whereas in the reality, they belong to the same civilization, altough they are independant states !

So why don't developpers take the 200 countries that exist, or the thousands of "nationalities" that compose these 200 countries, and put them all in Civilization ? At the begining of each game, an option would allow the player to choose between playing again one to 200 civilizations. The "200 mode", on a large map, would be almost impossible to win by war, but what an exciting experience to meet more than two or three civs in Europes, whereas kings and republics through History had to deal with at least fifteen opponents at the same time ? nowadays, since sovietic union has disappeared, more than thirty countries share the European continent. They are peaceful, but they used to be warmongers. It would be much more amazing than spending centuries to find an opponent.

[Urban Ranger]

Why, just make the game 6x as long.

No problem, ma'am

[Urban Ranger]

Why, just make the game 6x as long.

No problem, ma'am

[Urban Ranger]

Why, just make the game 6x as long.

No problem, ma'am

[Recurve]

Excellent, I won't get hastled!

[splangy]

guys, didn't you hear?? you can have 16 civs on a map, jeff said it in the APOLITON interveiw! so if your the english you will meet the french germans etc.. real early , I honestly cant wait!!

[splangy]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Why, just make the game 6x as long.

No problem, ma'am

do you wanna say that again ?

[splangy]

i have some worries about the world map, there are several problems that i can forsee:

1- Aztecs will get ALL of central-south america
2- americans and iroquois are gona be slowin eachother down alot
3-russia will get poland-norway-far eastern asia-central asia!
5- france can cut the rest of europe off from iberia
6- egypt-persia are gona starve in there sandy homes
7- japan will get all of the pacific and austrailia if india dosent
8- and can you see the power of france coming to bear! imagine production+comercial, it can just rape europe

but i should probably wait for the game before complaining

[StSz]

[SIZE=1] more than thirty countries share the European continent. They are peaceful, but they used to be warmongers.

Muahaha. about 30?
There are 56 countries on the European continent!!!

[Inverse Icarus]

Spalngy, look @ the setup screen. 1 human civ + 7 civs + barbs. not 16 on a mp.

16 total in the game.

[M. le Comte]

Originally posted by StSz


Muahaha. about 30?
There are 56 countries on the European continent!!!

Right, I apology. I haven't taken into acount Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaidjan, Kazakhstan (a small part stands before Oural) etc. But I still can't count more than 44 countries in Europe, 45 with Russia.

Es tut mir leid, StSz, aber du sollst mir antworten, wo deine 12 andere länder stehen.

[splangy]

Originally posted by UberKruX
Spalngy, look @ the setup screen. 1 human civ + 7 civs + barbs. not 16 on a mp.

16 total in the game.

Jeff said it was editable, but the screens weren't setup for it, it might be like ctp were if you put it at 16 or so civs it would crash if you tried to change it . ill try to find the interveiw!

6x bigger and 6x longer? Ah, something we can agree upon, Urban Ranger!

[splangy]

http://apolyton.net/misc/interviews/...morris-2.shtml

there we go

[CIA_Operative]

WHAT WHAT WHAT,

Man I feel like such a dumbass for asking this question but where did you find all this info about the map being 6x larger??

man im dumb

[Inverse Icarus]

congrats splangy, i thought that statement was retracted somewhere along the line, but maybe i'm wrong.

ANYWAY, i love the idea of larger maps.

and get this, a larger world map means larger Deserts, larger mountain ranges.

the Himalayas might actually seperate China and India for quite a while now.

russia might have some very cold spots, the kind of places where you'd perfrer colonies over cities.

the deserts of the american west will be a free for all between the Americans Aztecs and Iroquois.

Question: sorry for not being up on my Native American History, but where would the Iroquois capital city be on a map of the US.

a state name would be good enough for me.

[CIA_Operative]

Iroquois well if I remember back from my fifth grade yrs i remember them being right below and around the eastern side of the great lakes, so like Michigan, NY, Pen, maybe Ohio

I think thats it correct if im wrong and plz can somebody answer my question where did you all find the info about 6x map

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by M. le Comte
Right, I apology. I haven't taken into acount Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaidjan, Kazakhstan (a small part stands before Oural) etc. But I still can't count more than 44 countries in Europe, 45 with Russia.

I count 49, maybe I still overlooked a couple



Albania, Andorra, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaidzjan, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Kazachstan, Malta, Moldavia, Netherlands, Norway, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Monaco, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Spain, Slovania, Slowakia, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Turkey, Ukraine, Vatican, Yugoslavia (49)

[CIA_Operative]

From what the UN tells me and what I know this is what I could pull together, I dont know about the other counties such as the stans they're kinda in Asia don't you think?

Albania, Andorra, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Rep, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Moldova, Romania, Russian Fed, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Tajikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland, Uzbekistan, Yugoslavia

So far only 51 add any you think are missing

[CIA_Operative]

Oops forgot about Slovenia, Slovakia

That bumps it up to 53

Any more??

[TechWins]

1- Aztecs will get ALL of central-south america
2- americans and iroquois are gona be slowin eachother down alot
3-russia will get poland-norway-far eastern asia-central asia!
5- france can cut the rest of europe off from iberia
6- egypt-persia are gona starve in there sandy homes
7- japan will get all of the pacific and austrailia if india dosent
8- and can you see the power of france coming to bear! imagine production+comercial, it can just rape europe

About your first reason, that's why I wanted the Incas to be included. If Firaxis were to include two Native American civs they should included Incas (South America) and Sioux (Western North America) and that would give US eastern North America. That would be evened out on the world map, it would be great if these two Civs would have been included in the game along with the Aztecs. Anyways, now that I started to think about having all of South America is that ideal. You're only gaining a huge mountain chain and a huge amount of jungle, wow. So that doesn't give the Aztecs a such a big advantage. Plus towards the north of them is desert.

Yes, the Americans and Iroquis will be slowing each other down but isn't this kind of realistic in a way. They were both being slowed down by each other in real life. Plus playing on a large map there should be some moderate seperation. I'd imagine that the Iroquis will start out in the northern New England (i.e. New York) area while the Americans will start out in the southern New England (i.e Washington DC).

So what the Russians get all the (civ) unhabital land.

Yes France can cut off everybody from Iberia but they will have fierce competion in trying to achieve that goal. Romans, Greeks, and Germans from the west and the English to the North, and possibly the Egyptians from the South.

The Egypt-Persia problem is a big problem, recently in Civ2 I played a European map game. I was the English, the other AI civs were Babylonians, Persians, Russians, Egyptians, French, and Indians (had to throw in another civ). The Egyptians evern by modern times only had around 5 cities and the Persians got defeated very early. So this is a most definite problem.

If Japan doesn't get all of the Pacific they will be very weak.

Your last topic has nothing to do with geography.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by splangy
i have some worries about the world map, there are several problems that i can forsee:

1- Aztecs will get ALL of central-south america
2- americans and iroquois are gona be slowin eachother down alot
3-russia will get poland-norway-far eastern asia-central asia!
5- france can cut the rest of europe off from iberia
6- egypt-persia are gona starve in there sandy homes
7- japan will get all of the pacific and austrailia if india dosent
8- and can you see the power of france coming to bear! imagine production+comercial, it can just rape europe

but i should probably wait for the game before complaining

1- that happens in civ 2. most of south america (in civ terms) is jungle / swamp, takes a while to colonize well / cross, AI usually avoids most of it.

2- Americans / souix do that in civ 2. and they should. and, not really. if the map is 6x larger both civs should be realitevly large by the time they meet / draw borders.

3- again, already happens in civ 2. and on the Europe map? forget it.

4- you forgot 4.

5- France really cant do that if u throw in the Romans / Greek / Germany / Spanish. oh yea. no spanish. pity.

6- Egypt and Persia would starve in civ2, but there are certain areas they can thrive. there is no Carthage in civ 3, so Egypt can take the north african coast (meddeterain climate), and Persia can either rape the babylonians and take the Fertile Crescent, or head north into turkey or southern russia.

7- Japan does get all the Pacific in civ 2, at least when i play as them, and they deserve it. it's hard to play as an island nation early in the game. sea squares arent kind to production early on.

8- personally, i don't see France being a threat with other European civs hanging around. also, being indust. and commercial (starts with masonry and Alphabet), they could be at the whim of the Roman Archers or Chariots, or the greek Phalanxes.

just because theyre rich and fast builders doesnt mean they can conquer their neighbors. and plus the french CSU comes later on in the game. the roman legion seems rather good for an early weapon.

[Timeline]

So where did this info about an Earth map 6X larger come from??

Is it a sure thing or just a rumor?

I am planning on making a "contemporary world scenario”, so this would be a good map for me to do it on. Lot’s of work placing the cities though, but I don’t mind it should be worth the effort.

[Inverse Icarus]

oh, on a euro map tech, the Babylonians and Persians go at it like dogs until one dies.

it's usually the babylonians. im suprised to her they beat out the Persians.

but with maps 6x larger, they might find a border suitable for them both.

[Darkknight]

I count seven
It would be almost impossible to create a 200 country scenario nevermind getting it to run on a computer. I agree there should be more 50 being about the best number. The countries should be divided up as they were in ancient times not as they are now, at least for the main game.

[Al'Kimiya]

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Why are there Celts in Germany?