History of the World 2.2 - V (Cuz 2 just wasn't big enough)

[Rasputin]

The university class in Iran was jsut breaking up, they had finished their mid-semester exams and were heading to the coast to celebrate. A few of the A levle students ahd stayed back and were discussing with their Tutor the questions and answers .

"Sir how do we know that the WAAR is justified in its war agaisnt the EU. It seems to us that they have been peaceful for a long time and have done no harm to us"

"Well it is history Janis, you cant jsut look at what happens now, you hav eto look back. Intelligence reports indicate that the Zulu and EU had plans for world domination, they wanted to destroy the most peacefu nation in the world the Australians. As a lot of our people live in Australai we coudslnt allow this. Communists ahve no sense of peace , only democratically elected representatives have ever pushed for peace. Even in our own history the Dictators always wanted war."

"Exactly sir, the EU had a right to suspect us after our treatment of them"

"Well probably yes Mathias, but you must remeber all Israelis know full well who forced our nation to be subservant to all others since time began. Our first settlers settled over there in the present location of Israel, the others headed south. They arrived in Egypt and had plans to go along the nile. The Aggresive Mali rushed horsemen to the location and threatened the locals so they agreed t onot expand into empty territory that the Mali claimed. Then when we went north to explore we found the Adriatics had rushed eastwards and settled in land that should hav ebeen ours so we were forced to look east . We then encountered the Mongols and found we were trapped forever in the pitiful size we were."

"And so we blame those nations forever?"

"Yes Tobias, those three held back our nation form the begining of time and ever since the first great raz came to power the Israeli high council have plotted revenge. It has taken nearly 800 yrs but finally we see it all coming to pass. The Mali , once a strong force led by Chris the great, a force that drove fear into Israelis every where, is now a spent force, the smallest of all nations the became. But peacefully we forgave them and let their new leader, have all of Africa back. But still the Mali will never be the threat they once were. Next on the agenda , although they were actually first orignaly, were the adriatics, they may have changed names to EU, but we still knew they were responsible too for our puny size in ancient times. We couldnt grow as all we had were deserts. So the EU have now been crushed too. All that is left is the Mongols the UAS. They promised us India Subcontinent for joining teir allaince in the olden days, but it never came to us. We have waited patiently for them to agree, but stil lthey dont fulfill this agreement. In one thing the Adriatics were right, Sun Tzu should never have trusted the Mongols, they fooled us and have not been free in tech giving nor other means. Even at times calling us aggresie when we fought the EU. I beleive you wil lfind that history will show that the Mongols forgoing on their side of the deal will cost them dearly."

"So you mean WAAR will attack Mogols too sir?"

"Well Tabitha, I dont predict anything I only teach what has already transpired. But I think unless the Mongols fulfill their side of ancient agreements they may be introuble."

"Surely Mitchell Auldinsky wont allow this , he has sworn allegiane to the Mongols!!"

"I doubt the high council will keep him much longer, he has fulfiiled his role, time now for the Next great leader to step up. These are the end times my dears, soon the Zulus will just be a green dot on the map. With 3/4 of the world domianted by the ORange ribbons of the australians. "

"But what of the Manahatan prject sir"

"Yes Iexpect the zulus to build it, probalby using the gold we gifted to them to rebuild their citys instead to build the project. I fully expect mushroom clouds appearing all over the world soon. But they wont be able to build them quick wnough to stop the Aussie onslaught. The EU too will probably launch some at us. We will lose many millions of lives, but again they wont last long enough. So that jsut leaves the Mongols with enough productio to build them, but they too face stiff opposition from China and Australai, they need us, and for the sake of India they could hav ehad us centuries ago!!"

[deity]

Originally posted by drake

EDIT...

China, if it is a spaceship your nation wants, we will pour every resource we have into helping you build it if you will stand with me. The same offer is extended to Mongolia and Israel. The Zulus goal used to be to find peace and glory for themselves, but due to Australias cowardly attack, our only goal now is to see Australia and their people burn. And we will see it one day. It is their fate.

THE VOICE:

"Jerokam, I know where your mind is. I know the space it is in. Rather than preserve your nation you risk total annhilation. You leave me no choice..."

[deity]

"Yes I expect the zulus to build it, probably using the gold we gifted to them to rebuild their citys instead to build the project. I fully expect mushroom clouds appearing all over the world soon. But they won't be able to build them quick enough to stop the Aussie onslaught."

THE VOICE:

"Auldinsky, you GAVE gold to the Zulus? I did not forsee that. BUT I see that they are building a Wonder in Zimbabwe and have enough gold to buy a Wonder next year. Damn you!
They buld Manhatten Terror in 1655; rush build nukes by 1660; nukes hit Israel 1665; nukes hit Australia by 1670. You galah! BUT I have a devious plan.... Meet me in my private space, SOON!!"

[The Capo]

Its fine, I may have overreacted, things have changed to he point that the Communists serve no purpose anymore...

[The Capo]

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The gavel slammed on its podium as Gutav Adolph stood before the assembly. It was a hodge podge of revolutionaries, business men who still had impressive holdings, attorneys, former officers in the military and the few surviving deposed Members of Parliament; still it was going to be their Parliament until further notice.

"I call into order the first meeting of the European Parliament. My name is Gustav Adolph and I shall speak as interim Prime Minister until a general election might be held. We've recieved, over the course of this past week the following nominations for the Presidency, which we will now elect." he said pulling out a list of names. The following candidates will provide our choices, they are; Adriana Alessi of the Dove party, myself, Gustav Adolph of the Hawk party, and um, well this is quite the interesting one if I do say so myself; Prince Lazlo D'Medici of the Unity Party. Alright, voting will take place for fifteen minutes, all those who have recieved an honorary Parliamentary vote may do so. The only candidate who did not recieve this honor is Prince Medici." Gustav finished and left the podium.

"Lazlo-" said his father Cosimo, he was an older man, not too old but older "- Do you think you can win?"

"I don't think I will father, these people do not know me like they know Adriana and Gustav. I wouldn't be surprised if I don't get any votes." he replied.

"Well, I'm proud of you son, your family is proud of you. They're all in heaven looking down with smiles, you are going to save the country Lazlo. You are going to save the world..."

Berlin, Germany; Europe...

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"FREE EUROPA!" barked a Greek rioter as he chucked a stone at an Israeli soldier. Street fighting had grown more severe as rumors that the European Parliament was restarting in Paris, and that the Zulus may have discovered the secret of an amazing weapon. Regardless of how much morale was given to the people due to these rumors, the reality was stones v. rifes....

"Alright, everyone get into position." Che whispered as the footsteps made their way towards the stairwell "DO NOT shoot until you have my signal." he whispered.

Slowly the footsteps begn to move down the stairs, at first boots could be seen; they were definitely soldiers, but who's? Then cammies could be seen, these were uniforms! Civil guards maybe?

"Halt! We are European! Throw down your weapons now!" Che barked as he swung from around the stairwell.

"Don't shoot, don't shoot, we're infantry. We're here to help." private Holstein stammered.

"What are your names? Who is your commander?" Che asked.

"We- well it was Colonel Nittoli, but he was killed, then it was-" Holstein began.

"I don't want your brigade's history, who is in charge now?" he asked.

"A dr- drill Seargant sir, Seargant Herzog, Otto Herzog." Holstein answered.

"A f*cking drill seargant? What the hell- alright what are your names?" Che asked, his gun still pointed at Holstein.

"I am Schlomo Holstein, and thi-" Che interrupted.

"A Jew!" he said pulling he hammer back.

"NO! Said Bayer as he hopped in front of him "What are you doing? He's on our side. Look guys, I know you're commies, but listen to me." he began, Che slowly walked up to him fitting the gun under his chin.

"I'm listening Comrade." Che said.

"Uh, al-alright just relax. Our leader wants to rendevous wih you guys, besides we need this school to stay in during the night, we have a tank!" he said looking around the room, finally Malik Yuonde walked up to him.

"You say you have a tank...?"

[drake]

........and I feel fine.

Know that whatever happens in the coming years, whatever wars and destruction take place, it is all on the Aussies shoulders. They have started a fire of epic proportions.

And yes, we have double crossed Israel and plan to use their money on building the manhattan project. Those fools. How could we honestly use this money for anything but weapons? There are no cities to rebuild, they have all been consumed by Australia.

Soon nations all across the globe will have nuclear arsenals. Small nations will be able to retaliate in atleast some way against bullies. It may end in the Zulus annihilation and we are prepared for this. The world is not a great place like it used to be. Peace is gone. No one cares about it. So why on earth should we? There is no reason to live. Diplomacy and logic have been swept away by greed. And its too late for us to do anything about it.

The Zulus used to fear the building of space programs, but we now know that escaping to a better place is an intelligent decision. Anything to escape the blood thirsty tyrants that habitate this earth.

So Australia, come, crush your hated enemy. Your cowardly acts will never go down as acts of glory, but cowardice. Dismantling nations that are much smaller than you requires no skill whatsoever. You are not soldiers, you are murderers. Australia IS the scum of the world.....and we ask...how does it feel?

[drake]

I just want to say that the games been fun and a well played diplo game up till last week. I think it can potentially continue to be interesting and fun. But the idea of this being a diplo game has been blown in my eyes.

I am sure some still consider this to be a "diplo" game, and I wont argue with them if thats the way they feel.

But this genre, in my own personal opinion has taken a serious dent. Diplo games are not about conquest. Never have been. Yes wars are supposed to take place and struggles are supposed to occur. I wasn't expecting a walk in the park or to be given any special consideration. But what went down last session was nothing but conquest. No reason, no justification. I was happily content building my nation, improving the terrain, trying to be competitive (heaven forbid!), and then wham. All thats over with. War games can be fun, but thats not what I play civ for. If I wanted to play war games I wouldve found a duel with some meathead.

Next game, if I ever play with this same crew, which I'll be happy to do, we'll just start it as a war game from the beginning. Wasting 9 months posting, trying to be diplomatic and strategic meant nothing. I won't be doing that again.

Anyway, I wish you all the best of luck in this war game for the rest of the game. Hope we can get in more than one round a session...otherwise, itll be 2002 before this is over.

[Prometheus]

Prometheus looked at the maps and not just the maps, but also the figures from Intel, and not to mention the predictions from soothsayers and women with three nipples.

No the world did not have to be Aussie dominated, it could work in peace, but they needed to stand together… that was for sure, with out that unity there would be no chance… they needed a sign that they were serious too… something that would show Australia that the world would not be separated and taken apart one on one, but more pressing he needed to protect the world, and China from the future nuclear arsenals.

Space that was the answer…. A united space ship, built by Chinese corporations with the world’s money.
The Chinese production factor was still amazing, second to only the Aussies, it would be faster that way…

Yes that was the first step….

The next was harder… some sort of world government… he needed to think on that one, a government that would protect the weak and keep the strong out of wars… that would need to be a stroke of genius, not to mention he would need to incorporate the Aussies into it, that would be the only way for a world government to work, it needed to have support of the world.

Hate ran deep in the world too, the Mali of the Israeli, the Israeli of the E.U., the E.U. of the Mongols and Israeli, the Zulus of the Aussies. The Chinese needed to think of a way to build a world government, or at least in the beginning a collation of nations to build the universal space ship.

The last step was the hardest… disarmament, he would need to concentrate on the Aussies for that, two units per city was to be enough… that would be the goal… but how the Aussies were paranoid…. Maybe, 75 Aussie units for every 25 for the rest of the world. Since the rest of the world doesn’t have that much left. That might satisfy some…

And no nukes, yes nukes would be a problem if they were ever built.

“Sigh…” Prometheus thought, I will stick to space; it is the only feasible option at the moment…. Every nation that participated would get a equal percentage of the spaceship… engineers put the fastest spaceship with 10,000 people, so if 5 nations participated. That would be 2,500 for each nation…

Hmm perhaps the Aussies would participate also… maybe he could get them to cede a number of cities back to the Zulu. He needed to talk to the Zulu ambassador, he also needed to talk to the whoever ends up leader of the Mongols, hell Prometheus thought; I need to talk to everyone.

A great war had happened, another might, the loss of life in this war however might be great enough to form a dominant coalition for peace.

[Rasputin]

Drake - I sure hope that you dont continue to feel the way you do, I do think Deity gave advance warning of the impending attack when he psoted that Dame DeNotre was to take over in the previous weeks of postings. Even in real life new leaders do strang ethings , take Hitler for example, why did he go on world conquest , for greed and power, same as for Dame De Notre.

When you guys refused to allow SDI in the game you made it hard to launch the SS because a nuke could take out the capital , so world conquest ws going to be the only way to win eventually, and even in Diplo games you must eventually have a winner.

The goal now is to see what the rest of the world will do. You for a long time had the right idea of forming a world allaince agaisnt the Aussies ( the main reason he attacked you) so the time is now right with the power of Nukes to get that formed.

Drake you are one of the best Diplo palyers, your posts are probalby only second to Capos (in my eyes) of brilliance. I hope you dont throw away Diplo playing due to this aggresive style used by Deity, he has posted his reasons for war and we all knew it was coming. Belinda and Capo both have not said they will not paly Diplo again after I devasted them, (they may not like the current game , but I hope they come back for the next) As you say , war is part of diplo gmaing, and conquest must eventually come. If we dont hav econquest and a winner, what is point of game !!!!

[deity]

OOC

It's important to me that it is recognised I have adhered to the diplo rules and that this sort of war is possible. We have to have a winner and there are two ways.

In game and in character we are all 'dishonest' but as players we are honest and respect is paramount. Let there be not a continuing bad vibe. And don't make in character decisions based on - Get deity at whatever cost! You would then run a real risk of going beyond the boundaries of the game. Your decisions must relate to the Zulus and the Aussies. By saying you'll go down and do what it trakes to help the Chinese win is absurd within the game story and within the game play of civ. You are picking a favourite out of player grudge. In the end if China or Australia win it's the same result for the Zulus.

[Rasputin]

"Sir another telex message has arrived, that is now one from nearly all world leaders,. They all want to meet with you"

"Yes Saul I know, but i havnet had time to go through al lthe info yet. The Mongols have been our longest ally saince time began, but still they refuse to talk of our long ago agreement. Wil lI fight them for the land , I think not, the people wouldnt allow it. The Chinese offer world peace only if they can build a Space ship and leave this world, what sort of world will they leave behind if they go? The Zulus have back stabbed us and used our money to build a project to allow the possiblity of world destruction, I jsut hope they dont use them on us. The EU also wish to speak to us, we at least know why that is. The Asutralains wnat to know what our stanc eis too, I think we are in the crosshairs of every nation Saul. We need time to make suree we make the right decision for our people. Go now and let me think"

"Yes sir"

[OzzyKP]

Chung “We welcome you to the 1650 Debates. This first debate will be in a round-table discussion format. I will ask the questions and direct each question to a specific candidate. After that candidate has made a statement the others are able to add their thoughts. The rules set forward by the debate commission outlines that candidates must be polling at at least 10 percent in the nation before the debate to qualify. Four candidates have met that requirement and we are joined today by Liberal Party candidate Tserehuu Sharavdorj, Asian Unity Party nominee Kublai Khan, Labor Party candidate Mao Tse-Tung, and Mahatma Gandhi who is representing both the Peace and Green parties. Welcome gentlemen.

“Let us start with a question directed to you Mr. Khan. The war against the Chinese so far hasn’t yielded many results. They have recaptured all the territory we took from them and have occupied additional UAS cities. With our armed forces depleted you still call for a war to drive the Chinese out of Asia, please explain.”

Khan – “I have been to the front. I have witnessed battles, I have seen our proud men attack the mulatto Chinese and I have watched as the vicious foreigners responded. They have captured our cities and they have murdered our President. There are many now who suggest we accept peace and run on home with our tails between our legs, this is outright cowardice and those who advocate this shame our mighty nation and our proud people. We will betray the memory of the men who have fought and died for the cause of Asian Unity if we submit to the enemy now. How are you going to tell the parents who lost their sons in Nanking that they died in vain? -that their death served no purpose. I for one hope we never have to say that.”

Gandhi – “Their death <I>did</I> serve no purpose. What is Asian Unity? Genghis Khan and now Kublai Khan think we can unify Asia through death and destruction, all this will do is create bitter enemies out of one-time friends and divide our continent and humanity. Unity is a goal that can be achieved through peace, and only through peace. All of mankind are our brothers and we must treat them as such.”

Sharavdorj – “The war against China was undertaken for reasons that many feel are justified, many others however feel this war is a crime. All I know is that the war is a failure and thus far has done more harm than good. I did not come here to talk poorly of late President Genghis Khan, and certainly not to talk poorly of our boys lost so far in the war but it does a greater injustice to all to continue an unwinnable war which will only result in more death. Lately the Chinese have shown themselves to be a fair people, a peaceful people. They have offered to end this war and restore peace between our two cultures; this I feel is gracious and desirable. This is the wrong war at the wrong time.”

Chung – “The next question is for Mr. Gandhi. With the world erupting in war and aggressive nations attacking peaceful ones with no cause, how successful do you feel a policy of peace will be?

Gandhi – “Connie, the question we must ask first is how successful a policy of war will be. From the beginning of time we have seen the cycle of violence repeat itself over and over again. Just look at the Europeans and Israelis. Violence begets violence. With thousands of years of history to prove that wars will only create more wars I find it foolish to consider ourselves safe behind tanks and bombs. True peace has not been tried and with the failure of war it is the only option we can consider.”

Tse-Tung – “The cycle of violence has been caused by greedy capitalists. As can be seen in the recent attack of Israel on the peaceful EUSSR, the invasion of South America by Australia, and our own attack of China. All motivated by ills of capitalism, greed, nationalism and such. Of course it is always the poor who are sent off to fight the battles as a popular musical group from the Ozzy Khan era once said, “Politicians hide themselves away, they only started the war, why should they go out and do fight, they leave that all to the poor.”

Sharavdorj – “Peace is always the best course, but unfortunately it is not always possible. As we have seen over the past five years aggressor nations such as Australia can attack viciously with no warning or provocation. When innocent nations can be conquered in such a fashion and when no one is safe there can be no peace. It is clear that the world is in danger from the Australian juggernaut and the only way to secure peace is to stop the thunder from down under.”

Chung – “Since we are running out of time I have one last question for everyone to respond to. There have been some vocal promises by Australia to defend their Chinese ally by attacking UAS. How does everyone respond to the threat of Australian invasion?”

Khan – “I do not put much faith in those reports. Simply smoke and mirrors to try and convince the Asian people to forget the Chinese in favor of a new enemy. Right now we are dealing with the Chinese, they have occupied vast tracts of land in Asia, they have proven to be the greatest threat to our security.

Gandhi – “It may happen if we do not act soon. Violence begets violence, we attacked the Chinese without provocation and now the Australians have stepped in to defend their ally. The only way to protect ourselves from both the Australians and Chinese is to make out a peace deal. No matter what we have to sacrifice now, it will be less than the sacrifice of eternal war.

Tse-Tung – “It looks as if the powerful Australian capitalist pigs are out for world domination. They represent all that is evil in this world. Their free-market economy ruthlessly crushing the poor worker classes all over the world. If that isn’t enough for them now they viciously conquer innocent nations all over the world.

Sharavdorj – “The Australian threat is the greatest our culture has ever been faced with. All other problems are merely a diversion from the danger presented by the Australians. They have built up their military unchecked for countless years and with no opposition have taken all of South American from the Zulus. Once a powerful nation the Zulus have lost half of their land in less than 5 years. Now they threaten us, one can only imagine what they have planned for us. For the future of our culture and society it is essential that they be stopped by whatever means necessary. China, Zulu, WAAR, Europe, Mali, all are at risk from the Australian menace, I propose a world alliance be formed to shut down the Australians once and for all.

Chung – “Thank you all for your time tonight.”

[OzzyKP]

Unfortunately MBC couldn't get its hands on an actual photograph of Kublai Khan so here is an artist's rendering of Khan at an ethnic festival.

[The Capo]

When the European Parliament voted on who would become the next President none of the experts expected Lazlo to win. He was young, he had no administrative experience and was a shut in monarch, but somehow he was victorious. Maybe they thought that since Israel placed him under nominal power he would be a good choice, maybe because he was a rallying point for European pride he was a good choice... who knows why he was voted into office, but by some freak occurance a MONARCH was the elected head of a Democracy. With that we continue our story...

Paris, France; European Union...

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His father had arrived earlier that morning, to think; HIS son the Prince was now leading Europe. A Medici was back in a position of power after centuries of exile. It was a proud day, and as a proud father he held back his tears looking over the crowd that had amassed "My son" he said, turning to President Medici, "You have taken your rightful place in history."

They were clad in their official royal dressing, medals for no other reason than being born into Royalty, sashes carrying the colors of the old Adriatic League (to which their family owes their royal lineage), and official Naval hats, which were the customary dress of Venetian Doges, Venice being a seafaring city. The crowd was jubilant; order had been restored, there was a lot to be done, but order had to be restored.

The young Prince/President approached the microphone and looked about, he was nervous, but with good reason. He had never been in front of so many people, all eyes looking up towards him as if he were some type of deity, some type of savior sent from above. To them, he was.

"People of Europe, my name is Lazlo Medici. I am the Prince of Venice, and the President of the Adriatic League." with this statement the crowd burst into applause, he felt a strange sense of comfort from this, familiarity had engulfed his body, a warmth swept over him, a smile broke accross his face. "Thank you, thank you. But please, while I appreciate your applause, I did not come here to recieve it. I almost didn't want to accept the job, but I understood that I have a mission in life, I was born for a reason. I look out accross this crowd and see many fine Europeans from many walks of life. I see the future of Europe, but at the same time I see our horrid past. I see a past filled with sorrow, anger and hatred. I see a past filled with war, death and destruction. But at the same time I see a great past, a past of honor and glory. These things, lest you forget, are something our country has always stood for. We must continue this trend in this trying time. Now, I am no politician, I am merely a man who's family" he said looking at his father lovingly "Has instilled in him pride for his name, and his heritage. My father, King Cosimo Medici has told me from an early age that I would one day take my rightful place in history. I always thought until this day that would mean power and wealth, that I would live care-free of the daily pangs and drudgeries. But now I have seen the truth, what I would inherit is not vast estates, marriages to beautiful princesses or titles. No, what I would inherit is pride in my native land; Europa!" the crowd against burst into applause, he raised his hands into the air, attempting to allay their happiness, but it was all for naught. He waited for them to stop.

"Thank you, please, I have much work to do - our nation has been split in half by yet another invasion from WAAR. A cease-fire was signed when they took Berlin, they placed me in nominal control of the country, however I relinquished any power to the Parliament, which has gifted me with the presidency of a great land and a great people. Nevertheless we have foreign troops on our soil. My goal is to acquire Europe back, that is what I am here for. With the help of our Zulu allies I hope to begin peace summits with the Israeli President. I am willing to negotiate for much of Europe to be returned, I am willing to give peace a chance. We live in a trying time, our nation is not the only one plunged into near non-existance, our allies the Zulus, the great and honorable Zulus have been ravaged by Australia. The Union of Asian States seems to be next on their list, as does China. The world is now engulfed by all out war, the development of horrible weapons doesn't seem to be an end to this trend. Therefore I call upon China, Mali, the UAS, WAAR, and the Zulu Federation here to Paris for an international conference. I know in my heart that our nation will incur a wrath for what I am about to say, but say it I must; the world must unite to topple the Australian menace. I don't care if their leadership has some love-hate relationship for my relatives, I don't care who's sick and who isn't, what I care for is the future of Europeans and of this Earth. If the world does not unite to stop these vultures we are all doomed, we will offer every fiber of our being to liberate South America, we will offer evey fiber of our being to topple this juggernaut. We must do SOMETHING!" he said, the crowd against burst into applause, but this time it seemed different, it seemed reluctant.

Somehow another war, this time against the greatest nation on the planet didn't bode well to the crowd. Especially taking into consideration the fact that half their country was under WAAR domination, still, President Medici left the podium with pride. If one knew nothing and saw him walk away, one would think Europe was in charge of the situation. There was a strange pride in his mannerism, almost as if he knew something special that made his comments funny, as if he made an inside joke. Regardless, he strode back into the Parisian capital building a proud man; he had done his family well...

[Rasputin]

Mitchell Auldinsky sat sadly in his reading parlour, he had jsut received news from the Mongols that they would not meet the ancient agreements articles and india would remain Mongolian. The Adriatics were right he thought, they always told us that the mongols would never pay their due after we turned on the Adriatics in WW1. So now we come to this. WE cant trust the Mongols any more he thought, obviosuly the EU,Zulu and Mali are agaisnt us, our only hope in this world is to find a new ally a true friend. He looked at the map and sat and thought. Only China and Austrlaia to choose from he thought...

He finally looked up and tossed a coin

"Heads for Aussies , Tails for China" he shouted !!!

He allowed the coin to fallto the carpet, he stooped low and saw a .........................................

[drake]

By saying you'll go down and do what it trakes to help the Chinese win is absurd within the game story and within the game play of civ. You are picking a favourite out of player grudge. In the end if China or Australia win it's the same result for the Zulus.

Not at all. I said I would help China if they stood with the Zulus against Australia. Makes perfect sense. If they, or any other country is willing to help the zulus take you down, we would sell our soul to them. Makes complete sense.

Australia is NOT China. Not even half the nation China is. China is a peaceful beacon for the world and while the Zulus sometimes resented their isolationism, we were always on good, friendly terms. They are a just nation and have only attacked others who attacked them first. They do not pick on the smaller and weaker. They have decency. This alone sets them apart from Australia.

All the Zulus have left is vengeance. Australias left the Zulus with nothing else.

Now......what doesnt make sense is attacking a country on heresay and rumors. There was no organized alliance against Australia. None at all. Australias reasons for attacking are fairy tales. Nothing more.

The Zulus will accept the return of South America in entirety, or we will build manhattans project and bring about Australias ultimate demise. If that means Australia taking Africa (which they were planning anyway), so be it.

And don't make in character decisions based on - Get deity at whatever cost! You would then run a real risk of going beyond the boundaries of the game. Your decisions must relate to the Zulus and the Aussies.

It isn't personal. I didn't take getting f*cked in the ass in game personal. Just as you shouldnt take getting some of your own medicine personal.

Don't bring up diplo game ethics to me...its insulting.

[The Capo]

Diplo-ethics, Diplo-Schmethics!

I have to side with Drake on that point at least, we founded this game upon the principle that this was an innovation upon the genre, which was lacking horribly, and which was being so misunderstood playing in one was almost a farce more than anything else. The game had become a parody of itself, and HOTW2 was to change this. (Well HOTW1 was to change it, but thanks to Nappy it never did... like an Elephant the Capo never forgets.)

BUT - Drake - Buddy, you've got to put things into perspective. You have to understand that this is not totally out of question, this type of activity. Sure, Australia completely dominated you, one turn, for no reason they conquered half of your "empire, nation, state, kingdom, republic" whatever you want to call it. You wanna hear a whole bunch of f*cked up stories of equal or more importance? Let's do it...

Great War - Adriatic League, Israel and Mali declare war on Pacific Pact. Result; Mali tucks tail and runs within the first turn, b*tches out to Australia and gets his peace. Israel TURNS ON the AL for promised land it never recieved and the AL was forced to fight the strongest alliance alone. Adriatic League is dominated to a point of no recovery. Reason for war; Deity pulled a political trick to take my land.

Fascist/Communist War - Adriatic League and Israel join forces under the table to attack Mali. Result; Israel turns around WITH MALI and attacks the Adriatic League, conquers its capital and the balkans. This would happen FOUR MORE times. Reason for war; Israel wanted more land.

Second World War - Mongolian and Israelite alliance attacks AL, takes capital again and most of Balkans, some of Caucuses and most of Russia. Reason for war; "AI Attacked" Israel.

Third World War - Australia, which never should have been there, invades Turkey prompting a Mongolian invasion into Uralsky again. Israel joints the fun and takes Germany and all of Central Europe. Reason for war; a "DMZ" which should have been voided by the PAST FOUR ISRAELI invasions (the treaty was signed in Medieval times mind you), was broken by the AI. Mongolia's reason was pure conquer and racism and Australia's is totally unknown. Mali also invades Spain for seemingly no reason as well.

Now, you want to talk about demanding reason? C'mon man, I've delt with far more than what you've just dealt with. What I'm saying is not that I deserve anything, or that you don't deserve a thing. What I'm saying is things are not always going to make sense to you. Take Hitler for example, he invades Poland, the Netherlands, Belgium and takes Austria over for NO REASON at all other than racism. He invades France for no rational reason either. If you ask all nations to be rational, nay YOUR type of rational, then you're going to run into trouble. There is always room for politics, always, there is always room.

This game is far from over Drake, don't lose hope. Australia is not unstoppable, they are amazingly strong and dominant but they are not unstoppable.

I guess I'm going to use a little line courtesy of everyone's favorite rockin communists, Rage Against the Machine...

"Hope lies in the smoldering rubble of Empires."

Think about it!

[The Capo]

European Department of State
260 Bonaparte Street
Paris, France

TO: The Union of Asian States, Western American and Asian Republics, People's Republic of China, the Mali Nation State, and the Zulu Federation.
FROM: The honorable Rodrigo Borgia, Secretary of State.

Dear sirs;

I speak on behalf of the newly appointed President Lazlo Medici, Doge of Venice and leader of the new European Union. Many things are in the way of peace and prosperity throughout the world, invasions have occured in almost all corners of the globe and the time has come for some sort of order to be restored at once.

Therefore these are our messages to the various nations...

To Mali - We demand that you leave Spain at once, if you do not your brigades will all be decimated. We are not joking, we have the means to do so and you will be sorry if you cross us again. We will turn your pathetic desert into glass if you do not leave at once.

To WAAR - We are willing to offer you the city of Bosporus and 700 gold for the safe return of all other cities taken in Europe, we believe these include Berlin, Amsterdam, Vienna, Venice, Athens, Bucharesti and Caspiari. There may be others but at this point this is what we believe you are in posession of. To reiderate, the Holy City of Bosporus and 700 gold.

To the UAS - We have no wishes for the return of Uralsky province, you have taken it and it is yours. We wish you good luck dealing with the mixed Khazak, Russian and Tartar populations who owe many allegiences to many nations.

To the Zulu Federation - Our allies, our brethren, we offer our deepest sympathies for the invasion of the Australian pigs into South America. We promise to offer assistance in the way of money and soldiers at your request, we will make attempts to send a force in to the fray to help liberate your territory as well.

To China - We would like to reiderate the Zulu point; you do stand as a beacon of peace and prosperity on Earth. However we must disagree with the Zulus on their other point, we beg of you not to leave this Earth on a space craft, do not leave your fellow humans behind. We ask you to join the effort to stop the Australian menace, why run from these cowards? We must unite, and we must stop them at once!

To all nations - I hope that all of you would be interested in joining a conference, this is the conference for the Coalition that will stop Australia's land grab. We must, I repeat, must repel this vile Empire before it is to late. Do not run, do not build a ship to colonize a distant star just to avoid this menace. Yes, divided we may fall, but united we will be victorious. I await your response.

Secretary of State,

Rodrigo Borgia

[drake]

As I said capo...wars have a place...conquest does not.....had I known we were playing that type of game I would have attacked a lot of other nations....

Dont bring about real world examples...this game isnt about reflecting history its about writing our own.

Anyway, its over and done with and I am moving on....I will stop b1tching and moaning and just do my best.....thats all I can do.

[Rasputin]

Mitchell Auldinsky pondered the letter from Europe. He knew that hidden behind the message was the threat of Nuclear war. Auldisnky knew all about the weopons that would be created once the Zulus completed their project, he knew of their devastation, he also knew that the EU would use them against any nation that threatened them, as he would himself.

He sat and looked at the letter again, he had already made his decision re who to ally with based on a coin toss, perhaps he should do the same with this proposal.

Little did he know that powers beyond his control were manipulating the coin tosses.....

[deity]

Capo, "Mongolia's reason was pure conquer and racism and Australia's is totally unknown."

Half your problems come from not showing up! No way would half those wars have occurred if it wasn't AI.

[deity]

"So Prometheus, Paul's little buddy, I trusted you and we discussed tactics. Damn stupid Paul.
You were worried about UAS invasion.
I said I'd back you up.
You suggested taking all of South Am was a safe thing to do and now you are plotting against me!
Now you voted for the UAS candidate: Tserehuu Sharavdorj, sworn enemy of Australia
Paul helped China like no one else with techs, trade and gold...
A few years ago the Zulus were poking fun at you, now you lie down with them....
You know I did not seek this war...."

[deity]

Originally posted by drake
Not at all. I said I would help China if they stood with the Zulus against Australia. Makes perfect sense. If they, or any other country is willing to help the zulus take you down, we would sell our soul to them. Makes complete sense.

Australia is NOT China. Not even half the nation China is. China is a peaceful beacon for the world and while the Zulus sometimes resented their isolationism, we were always on good, friendly terms. They are a just nation and have only attacked others who attacked them first. They do not pick on the smaller and weaker. They have decency. This alone sets them apart from Australia.

All the Zulus have left is vengeance. Australias left the Zulus with nothing else.

Now......what doesnt make sense is attacking a country on heresay and rumors. There was no organized alliance against Australia. None at all. Australias reasons for attacking are fairy tales. Nothing more.

The Zulus will accept the return of South America in entirety, or we will build manhattans project and bring about Australias ultimate demise. If that means Australia taking Africa (which they were planning anyway), so be it.

It isn't personal. I didn't take getting f*cked in the ass in game personal. Just as you shouldnt take getting some of your own medicine personal.

Don't bring up diplo game ethics to me...its insulting.

LOL!

OK, so you are the expert on diplos and I can't say anything?

You know it's no fairy tale about attacking me...

How will we be in demise if we also take Africa?

Zimbabwe is building Manhattens. It will be rush bought next year. BUT the Aussie forces move next and every effort will be made to kill it before it is constructed. The homeland of the Zulus will receive the MAXIMIMUM attack possible during the next 5 year period.

Your proposals are a joke.

IF you switch all your cities to peaceful construction and give me all your gold I will consider NOT attacking.

The UAS will only receive minimal losses in this period.

IF you are unlucky enough to build Manhattens you will receive a blast of nukes from South America before you can even build them.

[drake]

You can suck our ***censored*** australia.

Australia is the filth of the world. Someones gotta protect the small from bullies like you. It amuses the Zulus that you think threat of death is intimidating. Bring it on you <b>spineless</b> pussies. Australia is only skilled at beating on a smaller and much less equipped opponent. They could never topple an equally equipped nation. Goddam amateurs.

IF you switch all your cities to peaceful construction and give me all your gold I will consider NOT attacking.

How about you suck on Jerokams left nut.

Zimbabwe is building Manhattens. It will be rush bought next year. BUT the Aussie forces move next and every effort will be made to kill it before it is constructed. The homeland of the Zulus will receive the MAXIMIMUM attack possible during the next 5 year period.

I suggest every nation checks the Zulus build order. It is not the Manhattan Project but the UN. So go ahead australia, destroy the construction of the foundations of the UN. The UN after all is just the opposite of what you want to see. Australia doesn't want nations to be equal to them, they want nations to be on their knees for them. Those standing up will be destroyed. If a UN was built, a terrorist organization like Australia would never be given a seat anyway.

The UAS will only receive minimal losses in this period.

I hope Mongolia hears this. Australia is going to be nice guy and take only 15 of your cities. Drop your silly tyrade against China and face the worlds true enemy.

"So Prometheus, Paul's little buddy, I trusted you and we discussed tactics. Damn stupid Paul.
You were worried about UAS invasion.
I said I'd back you up.
You suggested taking all of South Am was a safe thing to do and now you are plotting against me!
Now you voted for the UAS candidate: Tserehuu Sharavdorj, sworn enemy of Australia
Paul helped China like no one else with techs, trade and gold...
A few years ago the Zulus were poking fun at you, now you lie down with them....
You know I did not seek this war...."

And here we have an example of Australia belittling China. Heaven forbid the Chinese try and think for themselves. Prometheus, China.......how does it feel to be treated like Australias lap dog? You may have been the student of Australia, but now you are their master. Come out of your shell and defend the rights of mankind.

Mali, EU, Israel, I hope you heed the call to defend mankind as well. Either we unite now, or we all fall together to the women raping, baby killing hordes of the barbaric Australian army.

OOC- No hard feelings Deity......might as well try and make this fun


edited out some harsh language.....probably was in-appropriate.

[Prometheus]

Prometheus has announced his retirement…
A special election is being held… between General Xin from the Isolationist party and General Tao from the Interventionist party.

General Xin (Isolationist Party)- General Xin, the leader and coordinator of the Japan, New Oz city and Laos attacks is leading the new popular Isolationist party. Believing in the good old days of old when China was isolationist and its economy was booming. The basic party platform includes not getting involved with world affairs and building a space ship under the guidelines that Prometheus proposed.

General Tao (Interventionist Party)- A mixture of the old Republican and C.G.P. General Tao the hero of Nanking is leading a drive to transform China into the worlds peace keeper, this includes pressuring the Aussies, stopping any form of aggressive attack by any nation including the so called Israeli demands of Mongolia, restoring the E.U.’s land and stopping any nation that attempts or that builds the Manhattan project.

Both parties say that an end to the war with Mongolia is first on their list of things to do though most expect that General Xin will be more lenient than General Tao…

Vote... http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...&threadid=7226

[drake]

Behind the scenes ballot stuffing have surfaced in Zulu intelligence. It is not 100% confirmed, but the Zulus have some fairly convincing evidence. It appears the Aussies have stuffed the ballot in hopes of electing Khann.....the leader that aims to take China down.....

Zulu intelligence aren't the smartest people in the world, but they are smart enough to figure out what this implies......

China could be all that stands in the way of world domination from Australia....if weakened enough in a war with Mongolia, China could then be vulnerable to Australian attacks.

If China finds this evidence to be conclusive......hopefully they will take appropriate actions.

[OzzyKP]

BALLOT STUFFING CONFIRMED

“What for several days appeared to be a rumor circulated by some ethnic Zulu minorities and conspiracy theorists has been confirmed. The crucial special election to determine the new UAS President has been terribly tampered with by Australian operatives working to disrupt our nation. Authorities have discovered and arrested a ring of Australian spies who have generated thousands of false ballots for Asian Unity Party candidate Kublai Khan. Information is still sketchy but MBC News is told these operatives report to the highest Australian office.

“In 1645 the UAS election was side tracked by the Ming Dynasty monarchist faction, that election resulted in the election of Asian Unity Party candidate Genghis Khan. With yet another election being tampered with to support the AUP candidate there is much speculation as to the parties’ involvement with Australia and the Ming Dynasty. The AUP is currently under investigation and many are speculating that Khan may be disqualified from the race. MBC News will get you details on this scandal when they are made available.

“With us in the studio today is Western Mongolia University international relations professor, Xion Chau, who will analyze how this scandal affects power plays and relations on the world stage, welcome Xion.”

“Thank you Connie, this is truly a desperate move by the Australian government. Fearing possible competition from China it seems the Australians have attempted to rig the UAS election in order to keep China and the UAS locked in war. With the blatant conquering of Zulu land in South America it seems Australia will stop at nothing to make the international chess board favorable for their conquest of the world.

“The Zulus are attempting to build a world coalition to defend against Australian aggression but there are many key pieces that are still up in the air. One of these pieces is the strong Chinese nation which Australia is now attempting to force into perpetual war with the UAS to prevent China from stopping Australian conquest. This is indeed troubling news. Two powerful nations, WAAR and China are still undecided as to their involvement in this last great war of modern history. It is a fascinating struggle to watch, will Zulu diplomacy or Australia’s Machiavellian string pulling win out? It is anyone’s guess.”

[OzzyKP]

Today we are reviewing a quality work of fiction, <U>Ostriches Under Fire</U>, that has recently been published. The author, American born Edward R Murrow has created a compelling world much like our own but a fictionalized account of nations, wars, people and politics. The book follows the life of a British Diplomat attempting to court the great powers of this planet to stop a power mad German dictator. Murrow paints an involved picture for the reader, (he even makes it convincing that the world is made up of dozens and dozens of tiny soveriegn nations), any lover of war, politics and intrigue will love this book.

Central to the plot are the leaders of the nation of "USSR", a Communist nation that expands from eastern europe all across the top of Asia to the Pacific, Joseph Stalin, and the leader of the "United States of America" a democratic nation which occupies the midportion of North America from coast to coast, Franklin Roosevelt. The story begins as the leader of Germany, Adolf Hitler, begins to take land in Europe, occupying the nations of Czechoslovakia, Austria, and Poland. Other nations attempt to appease Germany and stay out of its way, some like the USSR even work with Germany for its own gain.

The main character, Winston Templehill, working for the British government is deathly afraid of Hitler's true ambitions in Europe and around the world, thus Templehill sets off to travel to the USSR and USA to convince these two superpowers of the impending war and crisis. Here is where the plot thickens, USSR and USA are very distrustful of each other and despise each other's policies. Templehill flounders initially as each leader feels content that they are safe within their borders and are more skeptical of assisting past enemies. Eventually as the book continues Hitler's Germany begins to attack its neighbors and before long the USSR as well! By this point all major world powers realize that they must put aside their differences to face a common enemy bent on world domination.

This is a delightful tale woven in what the author calls a "parallel universe" Murrow in his insight draws comparisions to the real world and real situation in the world today but keeps his tale in his fictional world of Gaia. Look for <U>Ostriches Under Fire</U> at your local bookstore.

[Rasputin]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
BALLOT STUFFING CONFIRMED

do you have proof of this, or is it jsut because you have decided to go agaisnt your own poll and wish to through out the candidqte that is winning ??? Would be interested to see the proof ...

[OzzyKP]

Rasputin and the rest:

It is very much true. Ask Drake or Chris for proof. Chris as a moderator for CivFanatics confirms that Deity did a double login to vote.

I am highly ticked off about this but I will handle it in game. I really put my neck on the line trusting all the players in this game by starting these polls, hoping that they would be conducted fairly and Deity has proven that he will stop at nothing to get his way in this game. I would consider this tantamount to cheating but others have cautioned me to cool down and handle it in game. I will do that Deity but I am very dissapointed with you and I will question whether to play future Diplogames with you.

Rasputin it is absolutly true, ask Chris for proof. As I indicated in character, watch out, Deity will stop at nothing to sabatoge the rest of us and take home an exclusive HOTW2 crown.