March of the Pedants: Czar Catherine the Great??

Provost Harrison · September 6, 2001, 17:44

Look at this screen and then the central image which displays the leaders on the diplomacy screen:

http://www.civ3.com/features.cfm

Now I am sure that it says Czar Catherine the Great. Surely it should be Czarina, as she is female!

And another thing, does that say Emperor Joan of Arc as well?

Naughty, naughty

Fiil · September 6, 2001, 18:23

Firaxis: Dohh

At least the got the Queen right in front of Elizabeth!

Fiil · September 6, 2001, 18:27

On the older screenshoot it says Pharaoh Cleopatra, isn't it supposed to be Queen aswell. Could a woman ever be named Pharaoh?

Fiil · September 6, 2001, 18:49

Look at the snap from the new movie!

Snap from German CivIII movie

Now there is no doubt anymore!

Czar Catherine and Emperor Joan

DarkCloud · September 6, 2001, 19:58

: Firaxis, in an attempt to capitalize on the most profit, has decided to simplify the game- creating a single "gender" and allowing the populations to reproduce by cell-division.

Remarking about this incredible move today, Sid Meier had this to say,: "I never said that. The populations of this game are all male... they don't reproduce, they clone."

That's all folks.

St Leo · September 6, 2001, 20:43

Surely it should be Czarina, as she is female!

1. Peter the Great changed the official title to Emperor/Empress. Ergo, it should be Empress (Imperatrix) Ekaterina.

2. The wife of a tsar is a tsaritsa, not a tsarina. The daughter of a tsar/tsaritsa is a tsarevna.

Provost Harrison · September 7, 2001, 07:42

Well I'm sorry, I don't have a degree in Russian frigging aristocracy...

Nikolai · September 7, 2001, 07:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Fiil
On the older screenshoot it says Pharaoh Cleopatra, isn't it supposed to be Queen aswell. Could a woman ever be named Pharaoh?

AFAIK, there has been only one female Pharaoh, and we know nearly nothing about her, other than that she was of royal birth, I think she was married with a Pharaoh that died, and she took over. But that was N_O_T usual!

he name? Can't remember...!

aaglo · September 7, 2001, 07:54

I think that the title depends on the form of government...

Nikolai · September 7, 2001, 08:01

Quote:

Originally posted by aaglo
I think that the title depends on the form of government...

Yes aaglo, but this discussion is about what title a female leader would have!

You wouldn't call a female leader of a monarchy for a king, would you?

I know, that isn't a problem here, but if we then use a despotism as an example? You wouldn't call a women for an Emperor, would you? No, you would call her an Empress!!!

Is that clear?

aaglo · September 7, 2001, 08:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Nikolai
Yes aaglo, but this discussion is about what title a female leader would have!

...

Yes, it is clear

But I was not talking about that. I was talking about the disputes in should Ms Catherina be called as Czar, Emperor, Despot, President or a Lepricon.

And yes, I agree that a female leader should be called as Czarinna, Empress, Despotinna, Presidentinna and Lepricinna.

Nikolai · September 7, 2001, 08:18

OK!

You are forgiven!

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aaglo · September 7, 2001, 08:22

BTW, are you the Nikolai I or Nikolai II?

Just being curious... as being a finn...

Nikolai · September 7, 2001, 08:27

I think I'm Nikolai I, the second one lost the power, you know...

BTW: I just have to play as the Russians soon, I have to rule again, you see...

And that means ruling the fins to! MUAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

KrazyHorse · September 7, 2001, 09:26

Catherine ruled in her own right IIRC (after that bit of unpleasantness where her husband ended up dead), therefore she was a tsarina, not a tsaritsa

Pharaoh is pharaoh is pharaoh. No female form.

Provost Harrison · September 7, 2001, 10:23

Well I don't want it to be like civ1, which is demonstrated eloquently from this one line extracted from the game:

'Greetings from he who makes mortals tremble: Queen Elizabeth of the English'

Fiil · September 7, 2001, 11:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Nikolai
AFAIK, there has been only one female Pharaoh, and we know nearly nothing about her, other than that she was of royal birth, I think she was married with a Pharaoh that died, and she took over. But that was N_O_T usual!

he name? Can't remember...!

That's how I remember it - eventhough I don't remember her name either.

Cleopatra was never pharaoh!!!

And IIRC the woman who did become pharaoh also took a male name when she took the title. The scientists still argue if the people even knew she was a woman. She wore the fake beard as every other pharaoh.

Cleopatra was queen because she was married to her brother who was pharaoh. Even when he died she wasn't pharaoh, but she was to be the regent of Egypt until her son could be pharaoh!

jsw363 · September 7, 2001, 13:26

Hetsephut (sp?) was a female Pharoah, the only one I believe. So Pharoah can be either masculine or feminine. Don't know enough about Cleopatra to know is SHE was a pharoah though.

Also since Catherine was the monarch (not married to the monarch, since her husband died) I think that she is a tsarina. It would be nice to have female forms of the titles especially since we have female rulers.

Didn't Civ2 or CTP have Livia as one of the Roman leaders? I remember her being called Imperatrix Livia, but it's a bit hazy...