Submarine advantages/disadvantages???

Ramses000 · September 19, 1999, 09:10

What does this flag mean?

Michael Daumen · September 19, 1999, 16:54

If a naval unit has this flag, it behaves like a sub (somewhat hidden, can carry nukes).

If an air unit has this flag, it is somewhat hidden, can only attack naval units, and can be attacked by anything.

If a ground unit has this flag, it is somewhat hidden and cannot attack anything.

"Somewhat hidden" means that it will be invisible to units in adjacent squares unless a unit tries to move into the sub's square or that unit can see subs.

Ramses000 · September 19, 1999, 23:23

Thanks. At first I thought it was a naval unit that was an easy target for subs, like an aircraft carrier or battleship.

Also, is there a way to make an air unit that carry ground units? I tried it but the units wouldn't load onto the plane.

Sorry, one more thing. I tried making a merchant ship, but the ship wouldn't attempt to establish a trade route even though it had the goods. Is there another file I can edit to make these work?

Thanks again.

Michael Daumen · September 20, 1999, 08:57

You can make an airborne tanker by giving an air unit the carrier flag, but its movement goes down to one and the air units can't stay "on" the tanker for more than one turn. When the tanker moves they stay behind. The only way you can move ground units by air is to make a naval unit with a move of 0 that can paradrop. Give it some hold space and when you send it to another city it will take any units it holds with it.

Of course the computer will have no idea how to use either unit.

Hope this helps.

Miner · September 20, 1999, 09:32

A unit with a move of 0 cannot move. A unit with a move of 0 cannot paradrop either.

Michael Daumen · September 21, 1999, 00:31

Have you checked out Harlan Thompson's WW2 in the Pacific scenario? As long as the zero-move unit is on a city you can paradrop it. Honest. Otherwise, ask Fast_Eddie. He knows how to do it.

Miner · September 21, 1999, 06:35

Looks like I stand corrected - most unusual!

I will try this tonight. However I am still puzzled - if a unit has a move of 0 you cannot select it, it doesn't flash so how do you get to press 'P'? I know that you can sentry/fortify 0 move units in the city view but you need to be on the map view to move the paradrop cursor?! I'm confused...

Miner · September 21, 1999, 06:41

Ramsees000

To answer your question re trade ships, the Trade Role will only work if the unit is in the Ground Domain. To my knowledge there is NO way round this - although I wait to be corrected

September 21, 1999, 21:57

I've been referenced....

Okay, to make a paradrop unit, simply make a sea transport, anbd give it the ability to paradrop. Either one or two movement points will do. So now, when you paradrop the transport, it will take all the units that it's carrying with it. Only works while going from one city to another.

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Miner · September 22, 1999, 05:54

Ok I tried this last night. Creating a naval transport with holds and the paradrop works - and not just between cities either. It will drop onto land. When you try to move the unit the "do you wish to disembark sire?" message appears and you can unload units - cool or what?! If you paradrop this onto a coastal square you can move it onto the sea.

However, Mr Daumen, if I create the unit with a move of 0, regardless if the unit is on the map, on an airbase or in a city I cannot paradrop the damn thing 'cos I cannot activate it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fast_Eddies post appears to confirm this as he only mentions units with a move of 1 or 2.

Somebody care to enlighten me?

Michael Daumen · September 22, 1999, 07:54

I would listen to Eddie about the paradrop unit, since it was his idea & I was going off the top of my head. But the mine paradrop with 0 moves still works, doesn't it?

Eddie, send that map on!

Ramses000 · September 22, 1999, 09:50

Thanks everybody. Finally got back on my computer(I work a compressed night shift for 4 days)ready to try out the paradrop idea.

On another note, does anybody here ever mess with the other Civ2 files? What other parts of the game can one change(besides units and such)?

Later.

September 22, 1999, 23:44

Dude, you can screw around with EVERYTHING!!!!! Icons, Cities, Labels, Game, etc. Every .txt can be screwed with in at least a few ways to change the game and make the atmosphere better. That's the fun in scenario making; seeing how much you can do with the existing game engine.

Well, at least to me!

Miner · September 23, 1999, 05:12

Well, how do you paradrop with a move of 0?

Anybody?

Please?

Ecce Homo · September 23, 1999, 07:50

Some of these ideas really sound awesome!

Back to topic:
A ground unit with a submarine flag cannot see ground units.

I use this flag for cyberninja-style Diplomats.

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