Cleopatra the Egyptian?

Ironwood · October 3, 2001, 17:49

Perhaps my history is a little shakey in this area, but I have generally been under the impression that Cleopatra was perhaps not an Eqyptian. Wasn't she decended from/related to Ptolomy I, a Macedonian?

Mars · October 3, 2001, 18:00

Yes i believe so, i think queen hatshpesut would be a better choice

orange · October 3, 2001, 19:29

Yes, greek

Martinus · October 4, 2001, 04:47

Here we go again

Cleopatra was Macedonian
So was Alexander
Catherine the Great and Queen Victoria were German
Napoleon was Corsican
Bismarck was born in Eastern Prussia
Great Polish King Stefan Bathory was Transylvanian
the Han Dynasty in China was Mongolian

So what?

(BTW, After many generations Cleopatre was as much Macedonian as Lincoln was British)

Transcend · October 4, 2001, 11:18

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Originally posted by Martinus
Here we go again

the Han Dynasty in China was Mongolian

What the **** are you talking about?

Saint Marcus · October 4, 2001, 12:26

I don't even understand what is so special about Cleopatra? She had a small impact on the Egyptian culture, she certainly wasn't a great ruler, she fled from combat at the battle of Antium, and killed herself in the end. Wow, great leader.

Bring on Ramses II, The Great! Or at least Cheops or something. Cleopatra is a joke, almost as bad as Joan d'Arc. I'm going to edit them both out asap when I get the game.

Martinus · October 4, 2001, 12:34

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Originally posted by Transcend

What the **** are you talking about?

Ooops. My mistake. I meant Yuan Dynasty. Sorry

orange · October 4, 2001, 12:54

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Originally posted by Mark L
I don't even understand what is so special about Cleopatra? She had a small impact on the Egyptian culture, she certainly wasn't a great ruler, she fled from combat at the battle of Antium, and killed herself in the end. Wow, great leader.

Bring on Ramses II, The Great! Or at least Cheops or something. Cleopatra is a joke, almost as bad as Joan d'Arc. I'm going to edit them both out asap when I get the game.

I definitely agree. Cleo is the steriotypical ruler, just as if they had made Tut the ruler.

Ubik · October 4, 2001, 14:06

Cleopatra is

a)supposed to be sexy (actually she was a short *****, with a large Greek nose and a huuuge arse... but that's just historical truth

)

b)incarnated by Liz Tailor in the film

c)a woman

d)Definitely the most well known leader of Egypt

e)starring in a couple of Asterix the Gaul issues...

Mars · October 4, 2001, 15:43

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Originally posted by Ubik
e)starring in a couple of Asterix the Gaul issues...

Oerdin · October 4, 2001, 18:16

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Originally posted by Mark L
I don't even understand what is so special about Cleopatra? She had a small impact on the Egyptian culture, she certainly wasn't a great ruler, she fled from combat at the battle of Antium, and killed herself in the end. Wow, great leader.

Bring on Ramses II, The Great! Or at least Cheops or something. Cleopatra is a joke, almost as bad as Joan d'Arc. I'm going to edit them both out asap when I get the game.

I'm sure they choice Joan and Cleopatra just to keep the women's lib people happy. Therefor the fact that Joan wasn't ever a head of state and that Cleopatra was a crappy head of state doesn't matter to them.

Sarxis · October 4, 2001, 21:52

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Originally posted by Ironwood
Perhaps my history is a little shakey in this area, but I have generally been under the impression that Cleopatra was perhaps not an Eqyptian. Wasn't she decended from/related to Ptolomy I, a Macedonian?

Cleopatra was a Mastodon??

squid · October 4, 2001, 21:58

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Originally posted by Mars
Yes i believe so, i think queen hatshpesut would be a better choice

Nefertiti

squid · October 4, 2001, 22:00

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Originally posted by Mark L
I don't even understand what is so special about Cleopatra? She had a small impact on the Egyptian culture, she certainly wasn't a great ruler, she fled from combat at the battle of Antium, and killed herself in the end. Wow, great leader.

Bring on Ramses II, The Great! Or at least Cheops or something. Cleopatra is a joke, almost as bad as Joan d'Arc. I'm going to edit them both out asap when I get the game.

I'd do the same, but the avatars are probably too good to pass up. Maybe I'll change the name and pretend she is one of their servants. The whole Montezuma in a suit thing bugs me too

One thing you have to follow though is the "rewrite" versus "replay" history angle. If you were in control of Cleopatra, maybe she wouldn't have been such a pathetic ruler.

Sarxis · October 4, 2001, 22:06

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Originally posted by squid
If you were in control of Cleopatra, maybe she wouldn't have been such a pathetic ruler.

Actually, in my hands, she would be just as pathetic.

civcop · October 5, 2001, 01:50

Historically we can know that Cleopatra had a big butt? Have you seen pictures? Further, not all Greeks have large noses. Jennifer Lopez has a large butt and men love her for it. Having said that, I will agree that there are better choices for the Egyptian leader than Cleo (big butt or no). I will also agree that I don't quite understand the seemingly necessary inclusion of female leaders in this game. PC? If so then I don't get it. How many women play Civ games? Does Firaxis have reason to believe that a sizable portion of Civ 3 purchasers will be female?

Gee, is Jesse Jackson going to post in here soon and refer to New York by the derogatory term he called it a few years ago? Or maybe feminists will invade the forum, complaining about the reference to Cleopatra's rear end.

Sarxis · October 5, 2001, 07:15

Jennifer Lopez has butt implants, btw.

Ubik · October 5, 2001, 08:28

Here where I live, women don't need implants to produce a big butt... it's all natural

Remember the song "I love big butts"???