A Petition

Adrien · October 8, 2001, 15:16

It seems like most of us here are rather unhappy with the Iroquois unique unit.

How about we petition Firaxis to change it? Either get a lot of signatures here, or flood them with emails?

Something like the following might be good:

Quote:

To the Development Team at Firaxis:

We, the undersigned, are disappointed in your choice of the Mounted Warrior as a Native American unique unit. We believe the choice is unrealistic and game-unbalancing, as it skewsthe UU balance towards ancient units.

Instead, we propose a gunpowder unit as an Iroquois UU, perhaps a Carabinère--a native musketeer or rifleman with a larger movement statistic or alpine capability, representing the mobility and familiarity of Iroquois warriors.

It is undisputable that the golden age of Native American civilization, especially of the Sioux and other plains tribes that the Mounted Warrior claims to represent, came with the acquisition of gunpowder weapons.

It would not be difficult to change the unique unit--a simple editing of a few statistics and a new graphic would make a great number of players happy, as well as add to the realism of the game.

Thank you.

What d'you think?

SteveJH · October 8, 2001, 15:18

The game has gone gold, the only possible way to change it now is in a patch later which I doubt they would do.

Ralf · October 8, 2001, 15:20

You can change the unit-stats easily with help of game-editors, dont worry. You could do that in Civ-2 also - didnt you knew that?

Jason Beaudoin · October 8, 2001, 15:23

Please! If you don't like the unit, don't be the Iroquois.

Ralf · October 8, 2001, 15:40

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Originally posted by Adrien
Instead, we propose a gunpowder unit as an Iroquois UU

Gunpowder unit? Are you serious? Yes, they used rifles - but they couldnt produce the stuff themselves. They where nature-peoples, for crying out load.

I say, give it a rest - that mounted warrior UU is perfect as it is.

Earthling7 · October 8, 2001, 15:40

How can one b!tch about a tiny issue in a game one hasn't played?

edit: I didn't know a female dog was an issue for sensors.

Akron · October 8, 2001, 15:41

I really like that idea of a gunpowder unit for their UU, but the game has gone gold, so too bad.

But its only a minor thing, so it shouldn't matter too much for me. I'd rather have the game on Oct. 30 than wait another week just for this UU to be changed.

Boris Godunov · October 8, 2001, 15:46

I'm starting a petition to ban any and all mention of the Iroquois on this board ever, ever again.

Steve Clark · October 8, 2001, 15:47

This is getting really stupid. Here are your choices:

1. Don't play as Iroquois

2. Don't turn on unique units

3. Deal with it, in the long run of the game, it won't make any difference

or, the best one

4. Make a few simple changes in the file to replace this unit with something else

Or are you one of those that demands the game to be "perfect" and "right"?? Let me make a point. I say that unique unit is perfect and right for the game, are you going to tell me I'm wrong or right when the ability to change just about anything in the game is expected? It's up to YOU to decide what you feel are the appropriate civs, units, tech advances, terrain graphics, leaders, wonders, attributes, etc., etc. That's why it is so easy to make changes to all of them.

freemen · October 8, 2001, 15:56

What the hell do u know of iroquois golden age and the contribution of mounted warrior. I live where the iroquois "access" their golden age. Even if they were Plumed head-band in ceremonial purpose, they often ride horses for deplacement and war. It is true they were the best in guerrila tactics in mid-18 century, but when they were confronting ennemy on a traditionnal battle, they often use cavalary tactics as much a foot soldier. Be a native of the region were iroquois were active, we learn this stuff at school. So if u dont please with the choice of Firaxis then dont play the iroquois and it will end the freaking useless junk of changing stuff. Do it yourself when u will have the game. They put a lot of effort searching for the game and do the game so why not be happy that isnt push up til nest year before the release. It is one the first game that when they give a date for shipping, they respect it. So shut up and enjoy what the hard work of Firaxis will give us in a few week.

October 8, 2001, 16:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Adrien
It seems like most of us here are rather unhappy with the Iroquois unique unit.

How about we petition Firaxis to change it? Either get a lot of signatures here, or flood them with emails?

I'm really mad too![

] Have you seen the font they are using in the game???? How could they??? It's unforgivable!!!! I'm not going to buy the game until they change it!!! Will you, Adrien, sign my petition also?

Adrien; Have you nothing of worth to post?

Shiva · October 8, 2001, 16:06

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Originally posted by Adrien
It seems like most of us here are rather unhappy with the Iroquois unique unit.

Seems like you are assuming without facts.

HalfLotus · October 8, 2001, 17:36

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Originally posted by bigfree1

I'm really mad too![

] Have you seen the font they are using in the game???? How could they??? It's unforgivable!!!! I'm not going to buy the game until they change it!!! Will you, Adrien, sign my petition also?

cyril25376 · October 8, 2001, 17:51

I will play civ3 before I start to complain before I had the chance the gamebalance

red_jon · October 8, 2001, 17:57

Its an obvious fact that Firaxis did little to no research for this game...

Rakki · October 8, 2001, 18:30

The only good Indian is a good Indian, and the mounted warrior's low defense will make that sooo much easier..... yet it will be dangerous to get hit by one of those.

hey, i personally don't care. It seems like a decent unit.

ancient · October 8, 2001, 18:37

it seems we have too many horse uu's any how...

Sarxis · October 8, 2001, 22:32

I am not unhappy with Iroq's UU. I will not sign your petition.

Green Giant · October 8, 2001, 22:54

This is the dumbest thing to complain about. If you don't like it, don't be them. They probably added the headdress to make it look more distict as there are several horse mounted units. What really bothers you that much? There are a group of people in this world just waiting to be offended by something.

Simpleton · October 8, 2001, 23:38

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Originally posted by Adrien
It seems like most of us here are rather unhappy with the Iroquois unique unit.

Most of us????

Speak for yourself. I really don't care. It's just a game and I'm not going to bust a nut over it. Heck I'm from Canada and I would be happy just to have my nation included (albeit to the objections of a few ..um...nay sayers).
I'm happy the games coming out soon and I'll ***** about things when there are actually THINGS to ***** about.....

tniem · October 9, 2001, 01:22

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Originally posted by Earthling7
edit: I didn't know a female dog was an issue for sensors.

Ah yes and reading your post it doesn't appear that you used the word in the way that you have defined it as. So I think the censors were probably right...

monkspider · October 9, 2001, 01:25

Frankly, I really like the unique unit and I would petition to keep it if I didn't know this game had already gone gold.

Rasbelin · October 9, 2001, 01:38

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Originally posted by Earthling7
How can one b!tch about a tiny issue in a game one hasn't played?

He's probably trying bite of more than he can chew.

I can agree with you that this kind of complaining is childish
after the game has been finished. Why not complain in time?

LaRusso · October 9, 2001, 04:05

hm. no chance i will be playing as an iroquis. their braves will be puny match for my custom-made palestinian stone-throwers

Th0mas · October 9, 2001, 04:58

Are we sure Adrien is not Yin26!?

Deathwalker · October 9, 2001, 05:03

Though I dont see anything wronge with there speacial unit, it is to late to do anything about it now. It's gone gold

Messer Niccolò · October 9, 2001, 05:12

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Originally posted by HalfLotus

... I certainly will...!!!

Staszek · October 9, 2001, 05:42

I don't care. I won't play Iroq's.

Taso_84 · October 9, 2001, 06:30

me neither, ive never p[layed them and prob never will

Sava · October 9, 2001, 07:35

People seem to be complaining that the UU's are mostly of the ancient variety. I am happy for that. I would much rather have a challenging beginning where I need to be on my toes in the ancient age, rather than having a unique Iroquois stealth bomber wreaking havoc.

By the way, most of the civs had their real life golden ages around the time periods that the UU's are from. And as many people know, I LOVE REALISM, W00T!!!

Plus you can edit the UU's. I just wonder if you are able to add UU's... hmm I think I'm going to start a thread.