October 13, 2001, 11:52
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King
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optimist unite!
Civ3 is just 17 days now from release. I call on all the Optimists and even the Realists to unite and make their voices heard. We need to stop this negativity that is overrunning this board.
let's show some optimism and excitement about our favorite game of all times!
Thank you firaxis for your hard work and dedication to the game. Thank you for listening to so many of our ideas and concerns.
I can't wait to play civ3 and have as much fun playing it as you all had making it!
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'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"
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October 13, 2001, 12:03
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Prince
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October 13, 2001, 12:18
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Warlord
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I bet each and everyone of the negative people 5 bucks they will love the game!!!!!!!
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October 13, 2001, 12:22
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King
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October 13, 2001, 12:22
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King
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Originally posted by jadlakha
I bet each and everyone of the negative people 5 bucks they will love the game!!!!!!!
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I wouldn't bet against you on that one. 
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October 13, 2001, 12:23
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i say nay to the people that say nay to the naysayers.
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- Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card
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October 13, 2001, 12:37
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Deity
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I'm with you, Diplomat! 
I am, and I will always be, an optimist!!! 
I trust Firaxis, and I hope I also can trust the community here on Apolyton!
So, you pessimists: be aware, we optimists will rule this forum once again! 
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Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. -Isaiah 41:10
The LORD your God is with you, he is mighty to save. He will take great delight in you, he will quiet you with his love, he will rejoice over you with singing. - Zephaniah 3:17
Get The List for cIV here!
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October 13, 2001, 12:44
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Warlord
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Civ2 = the greatest game of all time
Civ3 is better than Civ2.
Need I say more?
Firaxis! You have ruined my life again!
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October 13, 2001, 13:20
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Deity
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The problem with the pessimists is they assume too much.
They only have themselves to blame, really
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(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
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October 13, 2001, 16:11
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Warlord
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VIVA LA REVOLUCION! 
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October 13, 2001, 16:17
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I'm pessimistic about pessimism  .
Civ3 will rock!
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- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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October 13, 2001, 16:19
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Prince
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i say nay to the people that say nay to the naysayers.
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Nay!!! (all in unison now)
SP Optimist here- all of the people who are tired of the *eternal whine* of the MPlayers should at least understand the bulk of their constructive criticism, through all of the spam/flame-like-odor. They believe they were intentionally led on to believe that MP would be included in the game- many of them preordered with this belief. No matter who's at fault (I don't think it was the design team's decision, but some exec. in an office), how would we *optimists* feel if they had announced that it was only MP and no SP?
Think about it.
I'd be really pissed, too.
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October 13, 2001, 16:26
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King
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Originally posted by cassembler
Nay!!! (all in unison now)
SP Optimist here- all of the people who are tired of the *eternal whine* of the MPlayers should at least understand the bulk of their constructive criticism, through all of the spam/flame-like-odor. They believe they were intentionally led on to believe that MP would be included in the game- many of them preordered with this belief. No matter who's at fault (I don't think it was the design team's decision, but some exec. in an office), how would we *optimists* feel if they had announced that it was only MP and no SP?
Think about it.
I'd be really pissed, too.
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I understand the MP'ers criticisms and worries. However they need to be more respectful of Firaxis. There is no need to start insulting and cursing Firaxis. They are good people who have worked hard to produce a great game. As for me, I think civ3 will be amazing. And, MP will come, it has not been cancelled. And when MP is released, it should be really good since Firaxis spent extra time on it specifically. After all, isn't it better to wait for a really great MP than to have a mediocre MP released with the game?
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'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"
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October 13, 2001, 16:32
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King
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BAND TOGETHER!!!
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October 13, 2001, 17:38
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Chieftain
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Ah, can I join your Optimists team/club/sect/whatever?
I think Civ3 will be GRRRRRREEAAT!!! 
Peace!
-- Roland
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October 13, 2001, 17:42
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Technical Director
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Actually there are lot of things to be optimistic about. We will get a god game, good graphics and a manual. What else could you whish.
If only Dan could release the editors as the game ships in US and UK so I could have something to do while waiting for the Swedish release.
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October 13, 2001, 17:42
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Chieftain
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An optimist before Civ3 release: 
A realist before Civ3 release: 
A pessimist before Civ 3 release: 
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An optimist after Civ3 release:
A realist after Civ3 release:
A pessimist after Civ3 release:
Which would you rather be?
Peace!
-- Roland
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October 13, 2001, 17:48
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Beyond the Sword AI Programmer
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October 13, 2001, 17:52
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This is fun. And even though it is a lighthearted approach to debunking the naysayers, it is warmly appreciated.
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October 13, 2001, 18:25
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Emperor
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Cheerfully throwing in with the optimists!
Shall we vote on articles of secession from the pessimists?
(Sorry, influence from the OT Forum...)
I have seen no major reason to be worried about Civ3. I am excited...
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October 13, 2001, 18:30
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Chieftain
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I think they're scared of the new AI .
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"If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away" --Henry David Thoreau
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October 13, 2001, 21:04
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Originally posted by Jingo
i say nay to the people that say nay to the naysayers.
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By jingo, thats confusing! 
Soon Civ 3 will occupy my every waking hour - I hereby officially join the Optimists team/club/sect/whatever
Erm, what exactly are we??
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I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).
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October 13, 2001, 21:08
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King
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Markos will be closing these threads soon before it all gets out of control like last time.
Thanking Mark ahead of time for doing this.
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However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.
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October 13, 2001, 21:11
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King
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Originally posted by TechWins
Markos will be closing these threads soon before it all gets out of control like last time.
Thanking Mark ahead of time for doing this.
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I am not trying to cause trouble. I just wanted to show my enthusiasm for civ3, and show Firaxis my appreciation. Please don't close this thread unless it really turns bad, which it hasn't.
to others: please don't use this thread to bash anybody!
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'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"
Last edited by The diplomat; October 13, 2001 at 21:16.
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October 13, 2001, 21:17
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Prince
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Civ3 will be great
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October 13, 2001, 21:58
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Prince
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Markos will be closing these threads soon before it all gets out of control like last time.
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The epitome of pessimism.
Besides, there's a drinkin' thread still open... Does Mark take the weekends off? If so, then there's a LOT of cleansing to do on Monday...
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October 13, 2001, 23:17
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King
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GRAAAAA
MUST REVOLT
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October 13, 2001, 23:46
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King
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I am not trying to cause trouble. I just wanted to show my enthusiasm for civ3, and show Firaxis my appreciation. Please don't close this thread unless it really turns bad, which it hasn't
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If you are not trying to cause trouble then why did you title this thread "Optimist Unite"? Also, had these comment "We need to stop this negativity that is overrunning this board." Now this appears if you are trying to stop people from expressing their opinions. How can you back these actions up as not being troublesome?
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to others: please don't use this thread to bash anybody!
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I'm sorry to tell you this but it's too late for that. "So, you pessimists: be aware, we optimists will rule this forum once again!", "The problem with the pessimists is they assume too much.",
I should note that I am purposely giving you a hard time.
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However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.
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October 13, 2001, 23:46
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Prince
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"To live again, to be.........again" Captain Kirk in some Star Trek Episode. (The one with the bad guy named Henok)
"One day you may have to think for yourself and heaven help us all when that time comes" Some condescending jerk.
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October 14, 2001, 02:48
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Emperor
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You will be bombarded with ineffectual whining. 
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