making alliances ironclad

Cam · February 11, 2000, 19:02

Jesús Balsinde's Alba de América at spanish.apolyton.net/ is an example of a scenario where two tribes are allied at the start of the game and forbidden to negotiate and therefore cancel the alliance.

In events you use the 'double negotiation' event:

@IF
NEGOTIATION
talker=French
talkertype=HumanOrComputer
listener=English
listenertype=HumanOrComputer
@THEN
@ENDIF

@IF
NEGOTIATION
talker=English
talkertype=HumanOrComputer
listener=French
listenertype=HumanOrComputer
@THEN
@ENDIF

…and Cheat > Edit King > Edit Treaties > Alliance, and Cheat > Edit King > Set Attitude to make the initial diplomacy fall into place.

This of course puts your tech trading partly out of reach. You could use a 'received tech' and 'give tech' event to force a trade...

@IF
RECEIVEDTECHNOLOGY
technology=0
receiver=French
@THEN
JUSTONCE
GIVETECHNOLOGY
receiver=English
technology=1
@ENDIF

@IF
RECEIVEDTECHNOLOGY
technology=1
receiver=English
@THEN
TEXT
The French receive Chemical Warfare from the English. The English receive Advanced Interrogation from the French.
ENDTEXT
JUSTONCE
GIVETECHNOLOGY
receiver=French
technology=0
@ENDIF

This is untested however, but should work in theory.

Curumbor Elendil · February 12, 2000, 01:53

I have several scenarios that hinge on alliance blocs. I've noticed since getting MGE that allies move immediately from worshipful to uncooperative and pretty soon are declaring war on you. Is there any way to make alliances hold, and, preferably, to maintain high attitudes in order to facilitate tech trading, etc.? Perhaps with the events.txt file? As yet I do not have great facility with the events.txt file.

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KhanMan · February 12, 2000, 03:21

This works...and another thing you can do to change the alliance is to set up an event that if a certain city is taken, the allies declare war.

I use this in my work-in-progress fantasy scenario, where the evil Menkorians start out allied to two turncoat kingdoms, then break the alliance if a key city on the kingdom's border ever falls...

-KhanMan

Curumbor Elendil · February 13, 2000, 01:59

Ah, I hadn't thought of it that way: being able to force simulated tech trading. I'll try it. Unfortunately, all the other subtleties of diplomacy are gone when you have to forbid negotiations...but then diplomacy with the AI never was subtle in the first place!

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