This getting old ...

The Templar · October 28, 2001, 18:52

Looks like Ming just banned UberKrux again for circumventing the filter. You know if someone from Firaxis circumvented the filter they would not get banned. So it looks like the rules are either (i) selectively enforced, or (ii) a different agreement is made with "important people" than us peons with respect to forum behavior. If (i) the moderators/owners are hypocrites. If (ii), then the moderators/owners are not treating people equally. I would think that if Apolyton is a community (as opposed to a purely commercial venture), then the peons are as important as the visiting developers. Face it, no peons, no developers - no developers more people at civfanatics less interest in Apolyton. It's a positive feedback loop.

Sure, Markos et al. get to set the rules because its his site - so there is no first amendment issue. But free speech is also a moral issue, and while Ming , Markos, etc. have the right to exclude certain kinds of speech, I think they are morally wrong in exercising this right. (yes, one can have the right to do wrong.)

I see this as a respect issue. The average participant here is shown little respect lately. Thus, in protest of the itchy trigger fingers on bans around here, I will be boycotting Apolyton for two days. I recommend that everyone who feels the same joins me in the boycott (sort of a ban on Apolyton for their discourteous behavior).

Alright, I'm ready for the "rollyeyes" from the people who disagree, and ready for some week long ban based on whatever pretext Ming or whoever can think up for writing this.

Later (maybe).

Wittlich · October 28, 2001, 18:59

The point here though, is that no one from Firaxis would ever circumvent the "curse" filter. Circumventing a filter that the owners of this site has put into place is not only childish but rude!
So I really don't see your point Templer.

Uber should consider himself luck to only getting a 2-week ban from the forum!

As far as I'm concerned, this type of disreguard for the forum rules shouldn't be put up with.

Ming · October 28, 2001, 18:59

Complaints about this site belong in the Apolyton Forum...
So that is where this is going...

Immortal Wombat · October 28, 2001, 19:07

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Originally posted by The Templar
Alright, I'm ready for the "rollyeyes" from the people who disagree,

Good good...

I'm sure if a Firaxis employee behaved as Uber has, he would get banned til he cooled off.

Ming · October 28, 2001, 19:07

hmmm... you see this as a respect issue.

So, you are defending the following post that he made?

Quote:

my friend from babbages just stopped by and dropped off civ3, so i cancelled my preorder and i'm going to play now, so **** you all, espeically markos. die die die.

(it's awesome not to be gracious)

Yeah... a lot of respect in that post

ANYBODY that makes this kind of post will get restricted... no matter who they are!

Faboba · October 28, 2001, 19:09

Templar, can I get some of the crack you've been smoking? Must be good ****.

People from Firaxis are welcomed and respected guests and not stupid tosspots like Uberkrux with nothing better to do than circumvent the langauge filter for a cheap laugh, to make a dig at Markos, the creator of this great site ( and if it wasn't a great site then why'd he come here anyway? )

Uberkrux is suffering from an attention seeking disorder.

Bet you can't make it two days. Not with it being two days to the release. You'll never be able to make it.

But it's up to you, I doubt anyone else will sign up for your stupid boycott though, thats for damn sure.

Faboba · October 28, 2001, 19:14

BTW to quote from the faq.....

Quote:

We were a bit reluctant to say it in this past, but this a privately owned forum, not a public square. It is our right to accept or not accept certain kind of discussion or certain kind of users. We will be seting the rules and enforce them as we see fit. We believe in freedom of speech, but again, this is not a public square(there are laws that apply to public squares too, but that's another issue ). We hope that you understand our position.

In other words Markos and Dan wrote down the rules for this site, where they allow us to be, essentially, their guests. But if people like Uber don't like the house rules........

( To be honest I think he should get a harsher scentence. We all got worse for posting on forum 25 and that was only as a cheap laugh, this was pretty much malicious. If I was Markos and someone spoke to me like that, I'd be laughing all the way to the perma-ban controls....... )

Faboba · October 28, 2001, 19:18

[edit] accidently quoted my last post instead of editing it.

Why? Cause I'm an idiot.

The Rook · October 28, 2001, 19:24

What a joke. Wah wah

some idiot got himself banned.

to the board mods.

MarkG · October 28, 2001, 19:54

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Originally posted by The Templar
Looks like Ming just banned UberKrux again for circumventing the filter. You know if someone from Firaxis circumvented the filter they would not get banned. So it looks like the rules are either (i) selectively enforced, or (ii) a different agreement is made with "important people" than us peons with respect to forum behavior.

amazing logic. you are complaining about a difference in the application of the rules in a situation that hasnt happened yet!!

when the day comes that a firaxian circumvents the swearing filter and we dont ban him, feel free to call us hyprocrites. until then try re-thinking the logic(?) of your post

and no, we dont ban people who post illogical arguments

Sarxis · October 28, 2001, 19:55

Apolyton isn't a democracy.
And Uberkrux can be annoying.
These two facts, don't mix.

The Templar · October 28, 2001, 20:22

Never mind my boycott, I need to argue this one out.
To Wittlich,
I agree, Firaxians are polite - I was contemplating a hypothetical situation.

To Faboba,

Quote:

In other words Markos and Dan wrote down the rules for this site, where they allow us to be, essentially, their guests. But if people like Uber don't like the house rules........

Yes and their site would be a ghost town without our participation. It's a co-dependent relationship, I'll I'm suggesting is that they be reminded of this.

To Ming:
Now that I think about it, UberKruX is probably the worst case to defend. UberKruX showed you no respect. But you struck me as little too happy to ban the guy. And it makes me feel as though your more than willing to throw your weight around as a moderator. To my mind, moderators such as yourself are not showing respect to the participants here - and without us peons, I would remind you, there wouldn't be a forum. I think it is time you were given a few weeks vacation to cool out for awhile and remember that you are not a despot. Apolyton may not be a democracy - but it is a market and when people like you go to far the rest of us vote with their feet.

Grunthex · October 28, 2001, 20:30

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Originally posted by The Templar
I would remind you, there wouldn't be a forum. I think it is time you were given a few weeks vacation to cool out for awhile and remember that you are not a despot. Apolyton may not be a democracy - but it is a market and when people like you go to far the rest of us vote with their feet.

So vote with your feet and leave. I for one am glad to have rules restricting that kind of immaturity.

Ming · October 28, 2001, 20:35

The Templar
You are always welcome to your opinion... Someone has to enforce the Forum rules... and that's my job.

I take no pleasure in banning people... It takes time away from playing civ.

And you talk about respect... You call me a despot... and claim I probably like to throw my weight around... and that we don't respect the posters... Respect is a two way street

You are the one that supported a person who told the owner to **** off and to die. And then said it was a matter of respect.

And last... It took you SOME TIME before you figured out that it wasn't a very bright thing to do...

Skanky Burns · October 28, 2001, 20:45

Sorry Templar, but you have no case at all.

Uber went beyond the call of duty to be rude and disrespectful to the people of Apolyton (me and YOU included) and was punished for it. Rather lightly too, i might add.

The Rook · October 28, 2001, 20:45

Quote:

Originally posted by The Templar

To Ming:
Now that I think about it, UberKruX is probably the worst case to defend. UberKruX showed you no respect. But you struck me as little too happy to ban the guy. And it makes me feel as though your more than willing to throw your weight around as a moderator. To my mind, moderators such as yourself are not showing respect to the participants here - and without us peons, I would remind you, there wouldn't be a forum. I think it is time you were given a few weeks vacation to cool out for awhile and remember that you are not a despot. Apolyton may not be a democracy - but it is a market and when people like you go to far the rest of us vote with their feet.

Then go. There are other Civ sites, or even make your own. But no, you like this one don't you? That's because it is one of the better sites, if not the best. I am a moderator for a different message board and I have to deal with people like UK all the time. Then someone like you comes along and claims I am on a power trip. Let the mods do their job. Stop causing trouble.

Immortal Wombat · October 28, 2001, 21:48

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Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Sorry Templar, but you have no case at all.

Uber went beyond the call of duty to be rude and disrespectful to the people of Apolyton (me and YOU included)

...again...

Elucidus · October 28, 2001, 23:31

Uber was way out of line. You speak of respect...as a customer of this forum you need to respect this forum, those people who control it, and those who use it, as well. If you fail to do that than you lose the respect of all involved. And if you haven't figured it out by now, blatantly circumventing a filter is disrespectful and insulting to everyone, then you need to go buy a clue, or at least graduate from the forth grade.
I am sorry, but there are too many immature people who hide behind anonymity on the Internet and act like complete fools and it sometimes gets to me.

Forgive my rant, as I am having a bad day and am probably overreacting.

Urban Ranger · October 29, 2001, 01:45

Templar,

You are defending a silly person with a hypothetical scenario. It just doesn't carry.

SlowwHand · October 29, 2001, 16:59

Lemme see.

10% PCR for this thread, plus 10% PCR for fire Ming thread.

WHOA! 20% PCR. Damn dude.