A scenario idea for Stefan Härtel:

Geography Dan · May 21, 2000, 01:31

Stefan, since your always making scenarios about Iran/Persia and Central Asia, why don't you make one about the conflicts between the Chinese Tang dynasty and the Abbasid Caliphate over Central Asia around 750 AD?

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Stefan Härtel · May 21, 2000, 04:42

Sounds good. Let's see:
Most accesable information right now would be in the book "Zentralasien" from the "Fischer Weltgeschichte" series. They are also listing
following books in their series:
"Der Islam I: Vom Usprung bis zu den Anfängen des Osmanenreiches" (beginnings till Ottoman empire)
"Das Chinesische Kaiserreich" (Chinese Empire)
Prices are 26,90 per book (around 14 US$)
Since I never have a problem with buying books

and I always wanted to buy one about China... expect to see that one (in a while, of course).

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Geography Dan · May 21, 2000, 15:35

You might also be able to include some of the minor central Asian states trying to survive in the midst of the massive Abbasid-Chinese conflict.

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St Leo · May 27, 2000, 22:29

How about a scenario about Alexander's generals RIGHT AFTER his death, before the guy in the middle was crushed and Rome went on the offensive.

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Geography Dan · May 28, 2000, 01:45

Immediately after Al the Great's death there were several other generals as well, such as Lysimachos, Kassandros, and Antipatros. It would be very interesting to include these in such a scenario, along with Seleucos, Ptolemy, and Antigonus. It would also be interesting to include the interaction between the Seleucids and the Maurya Kingdom in India.

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Stefan Härtel · May 28, 2000, 05:31

Alexander the Great's death occured on June 10th 323 BC in Babylon. His son wos born later, so he did not leave a successor.
The aristocrats and the army finally made a decision: The nominal king should be Arrhidaios, Alexander's mentally ill half-brother, as Philippus III, as well as his own son, the infant Alexander IV.
In reality, the empire was governed by Perdikkas, Antipatros and Krateros.
The satraps of the empire still had great influence: Antigonos Monophtalmos (the one-eyed) in Asia Minor, Ptolemaios in Egypt, and Lysimachos in Thracia.
In 321, Seleukos (later "Nikator") became satrap of Babylon, thus beginning a great career.

It is a very complicated story, and if one wants to make a scenario out of it, he'll have to decide the start (323? 322?) and the end (311? 281?)

I might make that some day, but until then, I've got a lot planned.

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Michael Daumen · May 28, 2000, 08:24

Harlan Thompson started a scenario called "After Alexander" that incorporated your ideas and that of the Rome scenario in the original Civ2. The map is posted . . . somewhere, I think it used to be on Allard's old site.

Prometeus · June 15, 2000, 09:58

I also was working on a similar scenario, including Maurya empire, but i get bored after a while. Maybe i can help, i have a lot of brand new graphics and units about it.
( this is about After Alexander scenario).

A book you must consider is the one written by Jean Paul Roux, " A history of the Turks", ( i have Garzanti - Italian version, i don't know if there's an available german or english version ). A few pictures are available at Apolyton review section - from my Chung Kuo scenario ( The unit Dzong --> chinese for western barbarians a.k.a. Turks and Tibetan people ).
( this is about Central Asia scenario ).

P.S. how can i contact Harlan Thompson ?
I'm currently working on a scenario about Kok Turks, so if you are interested, my e-mail is

fratelli.goddi@tiscalinet.it

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Prometeus · June 19, 2000, 15:41

To Allard HS
Even if i'm working on another scenario, i planned a few months ago to finish the "Antigonus" scenario somehow. If you're really interested in, i can send you unfinished mine ...

P.S. what do you thing about the picture i've send you ?

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Allard HS · June 20, 2000, 00:16

A scen about the time directly after Alexander's death can be fascinating, and is indeed one of the strengths of civ2 to create. The campaigns of Alexander himself is much harder to make fun in civ than this.

I recommend reading the Alexander trilogy by Mary Renault, for anyone who wants to know more about the person Alexander himself, and wants to spend a night reading instead of sleeping. The trilogy is "Fire from Heaven" (not sure about the name, might be mistaken; haven't read this one personally), "The Persian Boy" and "Funeral Games".

quote:

Harlan Thompson started a scenario called "After Alexander" that incorporated your ideas and that of the Rome scenario in the original Civ2. The map is posted . . . somewhere, I think it used to be on Allard's old site

My old site is still online at geocities, though it's terribly looking and the frontpage links to Apolyton. The maps section is still as it was about 2 years ago, including all the maps Harlan made then.
The link: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/1233/maps.htm

I'm pretty sure the maps by Harlan are also at other places, maybe at the Cradle of Civ (http://civ.cx), cause he recently made some of his map "extra-big".

As for my last words... Hoti to kratisto!

Prometeus · June 22, 2000, 13:02

Shaibani? you are meaning Muhammad Shaibani, the one killed by Shah Ismail? GREAT!!!!!

P.S. Pay attention to the Kazakh affair...

Stefan Härtel · June 22, 2000, 16:12

Precisely: The Muhammad Shaibani who was killed in the battle of Merv in 1510 and whose skull afterwards became Shah 'Ismail's favourite drinking cup

Yes, exactly.
I'm including the Kazakhs of course, though I'm still thinking about the role they'll play.

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Prometeus · June 22, 2000, 16:53

Oops, i think you misunderstanded (it's correct?) me...
I was referring to the historical fact that Kazaks went soon divided into THREE ORDES ( the Big, Middle and Small) under the Oirate Mongols' pression.

Maybe i'm too much history-pointed, huh?

A hint for you: a couple of names for the Kazak ( or Kazaks )Khan. You should name them Barandaq and Qasim - indeed, they were Shaibani's coeves.
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Stefan Härtel · June 23, 2000, 00:58

Well, I am still not sure about that diadoch- thingy.
Right now, I'm in the middle of a Macedonian reading phase: I've read "The Macedonian" by Nicholas Guild (about Philippos II, Alexander's father), now I'm reading "Alexander" by Gisbert Haefs, which picks up pretty much exactly where the first one left off and completes with the story of Philippos (Alexander himself is 15 months old right now), then I'll read the sequel "Alexander in Asien" by the same author.
Maybe I'll make a new Alexander scenario (this time from a more Persian point of view), but really, look at my projects:
-Darius the Great version 2.2
-Shaibani: The rise of the Uzbeks
-Parsumash and Parsa
-Franco Prussian War
-Geography Dan's suggestion
...

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