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Old December 14, 2002, 09:37   #61
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I am. I play it nearly every day.
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Old December 14, 2002, 16:24   #62
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I uninstalled it after about two weeks. Too linear, some bad game concepts, and not any improvement over Civ 2 IMO in most areas where it's not worse. Worst of all, it tends to be dull.
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Old December 14, 2002, 16:50   #63
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yup, civ 3 is an ok game, but it doesn't have the staying power of civ2 IMO....time will tell if the mp part of the game is worth it or not, but at this point, i give it a pretty big thumbs down...and it doens't have that one more turn feel to it
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Old December 14, 2002, 17:04   #64
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It is still the ONLY game I play, 20+ hours per week.
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Old December 14, 2002, 17:48   #65
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I played Civ I 3 times as much as all the contemporary games combined.

I played Civ II 10 times as much as all its contemporaries combined.

I play Civ III about twice as much as its contemporaries. The gap between it and my 2nd favorite, Empire Earth, is damn big. But the gap between CivII and the other games of the time was colossal.
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Old December 14, 2002, 18:56   #66
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Its all about preference. I stopped playing Civ3 after about a month. No reason other than i prefer CtP1/2 because i can change almost everything. I can even make the combat system annoyingly random. (and have done so before)
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Old December 14, 2002, 20:14   #67
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I play as much as I can.

Over a year later.... I don't even CONSIDER playing anything else. In RL, I had spent a couple of years starting to learn how to play Go. Haven't touched a stone in 2002.

All you guys who dropped it like a hot potato don't know what you've been missing. The patches have been VERY significant (let's not get into that whole argument, please).

Civ3 1.29 and PTW 1.14 (as well as the latest AU Mod) are like nothing you've ever seen. A number of the most proficient Strat forum players have actually had to decrease difficulty level to deal with it.

So, yeah, I'm still a major fan.
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I don't play it nearly as much as I'd like to, mainly because of RL constraints, but... I consider it a good game. Fun, interesting and sufficiently varied (esp. now with PTW), but it is not a classic.
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I originally bought the game for MP. I thought MP would be there shortly (what a stupid mistake ) after SP so I bought the original game the day it arrived in the stores. Nonetheless, I had many many hours of fun playing SP especially after the second patch. After a year it got boring but now MP is out and I am looking forward to have many hours of fun again trusting Firaxis will fix the current problems.

My conclusion: if you like SP games CIVIII is definitely worth buying. If you want MP, it is fun already for the diehards. If you are no diehard wait with buying the game until Firaxis fixes the current problems.
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AI is still messed up, and unfair to the player.
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Old December 15, 2002, 10:46   #71
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I love it. Too bad my current computer is too slow for it.
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The only 'unfairness' in the AI that I've seen is the AI-AI trade rate (deficit spending). In my experience they do not gang up on the human. They will gang up on any civ they feel to be too weak, but I find that if I'm in the lead militarily they will usually go along with my diplomatic ideas (say, for example, ally against my weakest neighbor - and then there was one),
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It's awesome. If I didn't have finals now I would be playing it every day.

As for the AI, vs. Civ2 AI it's no contest which is better...
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Old December 15, 2002, 17:04   #74
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I didn't play any 4x game for longer than a year. I played them all, be it Civilization, Colonization, SMAC or Call to Power with all of their sequels. With "play" I mean intensive, not only occasional nostalgy sessions. The year is over for Civ3, and I play it noticably less than I did, say, half a year ago. I'm playing EU2, 1503AD and several RPGs between my Civ3 games now. May go for MoO3 and RoN, as soon as they are available here. PtW/MP may get me back to business, if it gets fixed. If.
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Civ II was the same way. It did evolve over a couple of years!

Yes, years! all the stuff was added later!

I don't see any difference with Civ III, its like tradition.

No other game, has been like Civilization!

Well, not quite! Although they have tried.

CTP -- really. Really not!
Sure after modding and such, but Civ II was the same way.
Where else could one play a scenario of X-COM on a computer game. Civ II you could. Where could one play on Mars with a computer game? With Civ II, you could.
Where could one play against the aliens, Hodadians alert! With Civ II you could.

Where could anyone play anything even close to what Civ II had at the end? No where!!!!!!!

Well, Civ III may just turn out to be the same way, but it takes time!

Please, Sid, Pretty Please!!!!

The New World Order, scenario!!!!
Where is there another game like Civilization!!!!

It's a life!!!!

Actually!!!!

Those bored, are boring themselves!!!!

It's a psych game, and well, you know, that the computer game even with the AI will give you a run for your money!!!

Takes longer playing, afterall, its virtual reality in a sense.




Really!!
I do not think so with other games.

Anyone, can you tell me if an editor in MOO III is there?

It was not in MOO II.

Nope, Civ II has lasted way longer than that.
Although, one may take a break, it bites, to bring you back into it, because, its just one more time, and one more turn, type of game!!!
It's an OS, in a sense!!
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How did this thread get bumped?! I started it over a year ago!


In hindsight, Civ 3 may not be the best game we will ever play, but it's going to be pretty close to the top.
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Civ II was the same way. It did evolve over a couple of years!

Yes, years! all the stuff was added later!

I don't see any difference with Civ III, its like tradition.

No other game, has been like Civilization!

Well, not quite! Although they have tried.
Yeah, but the first incarnation of Civ2 is still one of the best games ever....
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I will stand by my initial feelings. This is the best game I've played this year (and I own nearly all of the AAA titles).
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Re: Civ III is probably the greatest game we will ever see in our lifetime
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I have never seen a game with so much polish, so much heart-felt dedication than Civ III.
Firaxis did improve the polish in CIV 3 over CIV 2, but there is more to a game than polish.

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The AI is excellent, the game is engrossing, the diplomacy is better than I ever dreamed, the graphics are nice, the music is beautiful, replay value is truly infinite, everything is perfectly balanced, it is simply the most fun I have had with a game I can ever recall.
The AI is the best that I have seen from a strategy game, but it can still be outsmarted by a fairly competent player. Diplomacy can use ALOT of work, in fact this is the one area that really needs impovement. The music is ok, i guess. Perfectly balanced? What game have you been playing?

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There are virtually no flaws, no major bugs, nothing one could possibly complain about.
No flaws? No bugs? Read the forums, both of these are ample in CIV 3.

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The lack of MP on paper sounds like a bad thing, but the above-and-beyond the call of duty effort Firaxis has taken to perfect the single player game more than makes up for it. Firaxis could have put together a game half as good as Civ III and it still would have been an extremely good game, and sold like hotcakes, but they went to ungodly lengths to make the Civilization III experience one that is truly unforgettable. I thank the maker for the oppurtunity to experience this wonderful moment. In the course of human history, only a very small percent will ever get to play Civ III and I am thankful that I was one of the lucky ones. To all whom find themself at least somewhat in agreement, please keep this near the top, so newbie lurkers may be made aware of the ecstasy that is Civ III.
I like CIV 3 and it is a clear improvement over CIV 2. However there were some features in CIV2 that they removed from CIV 3 that worked. Cruisers, Stock markets, Engineers, Farmland, Statue of Liberty, and The Eiffel Tower, and the Stealth Fighter (the F-22 version) are a sample of things removed from CIV 3 that worked in CIV 2. And the only reason that I can see for their removal is to distinguish it from CIV 2. Bad move IMO. Civ 3 is a great game, but it is far, far from perfect.
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The AI is the best that I have seen from a strategy game, but it can still be outsmarted by a fairly competent player.
That is the case with all game AIs. Not exactly unique to Civ3...

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Let's see if I can help...

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Replaced by Wall Street

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Sure, but IMO not necessary anyway

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I never saw much point in this one in Civ2, it didn't do much for me... besides, useless in MP
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1. The AI is good but it can use some improvement
2. Wall Street is underpowered and can only be built once, Stock markets were available in every city in CIV 2. Also, they are back for PTW, so I think Firaxis realized the mistake of removing them in CIV3.
3. Engineers also had 2 moves as well as increased working speed, and they looked much better than the ancient age workers.
4. Farmland (and supermarket) were replace by railroad tile bonuses. Another mistake, also rectified in PTW. (with supermarkets at least)
5. Why should ONLY religious civs be able to change Governments on a whim? Not overpowering in my book, putting the SOL back in the game would greatly increase the balances between the CIV's IMO. (Militaristic trait is watered down by Sun Tzu's, Scientific by Newtons and Copernicus, Commercial by Adam Smiths and Wall Street, Expansionist by available land to explore, Industrious by lack of worker tasks, what exactly waters down the religious trait?...Nothing!)
5. The Eiffel tower may be useless in MP, but it would be very useful in SP and you could give it some serious culture points to balance it out.
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All in all I love this game. Never have I had a game keep me tired and worthless at work for so long. I couldn't imagine not having it. I'm still frustrated with some of the bugs though. Really frustrated. But you gotta take the good with the bad.
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