Sticking with civ2 - Page 2

hardjoy · November 2, 2001, 07:50

I strongly suspect there were never such "scenarios". Honestly, if Firaxis developed these, wouldn't they have discovered the severe limitations of the editors?

Patient English · November 2, 2001, 08:11

Tecumseh,

Great idea, and thanks for the draft letter. I would be happy to sign that.

John Ellis
netdesign@zoom.co.uk

Scenarios:
Colonies 1, 2, 3.x
Bonaparte (version II on its way!)
Hellas
Seize the Crown!
Hundred Years War

All available from my Home Page

Stefan Härtel · November 2, 2001, 09:08

Stefan W. Härtel

Stefan.Haertel@t-online.de

Scenarios available at http://www.geocities.com/intaphernes/Index.html

[By the way, you should insist on the edibility of the civilizations. First thing I would have liked to do when I got Civ3 was to check out the German unit and, if it was something like a panzer or so, immediately have changed it.]

Mercator · November 2, 2001, 10:10

Jorrit Vermeiren (aka Mercator)
jorrit_v@hotmail.com

creations:
Orbis Terrae (scenario)
MapEdit (utility)
... lots of maps

klesh · November 2, 2001, 10:14

Robert A. Prucknicki

AVANT393@aol.com

RobRoy · November 2, 2001, 12:11

Quote:

Originally posted by techumseh
2. We must be able to place units and cities on the map, including homing units to particular cities or to no city. This is basic. So are flat maps.

You should delete that homing clause. That isn't a concept, anymore. I think it's an improvement, but I'm still getting used to it. (actually, I'm still trying to decide whether to keep the damn or not...the AI is looking refreshingly strong).

I'd be happy to add myself (robroy3@hotmail.com) to the sig list. But I'm really more of a playtester and user of scenarios. Having the note come from recognizable designers of fine scenarios might send a stronger message (even if it has fewer names). The dual list option might work, also.

Marko · November 2, 2001, 14:10

Support the letter with both hands..
Here is my signature:

Marko Urm
markourm@yahoo.com

Author of "The Struggle for Europe"

(I have also made 11 scenarios for "Ages of Empires" and 3 scenarios for "Red Alert" games)

H Tower · November 2, 2001, 14:57

David Schowalter(aka H Tower)
david_schowalter@hotmail.com

Shaka Naldur · November 2, 2001, 15:14

Miguel Sanahuja (aka Shaka Naldur)
miguelsana@mixmail.com

scenarios, i was waiting for civ3 to make my first scenario

Joe R. Golowka · November 2, 2001, 15:42

I'll sign

Joe R. Golowka
JoeG@ieee.org
Amatuer scenario designer (haven't yet finished a scenario)

techumseh · November 2, 2001, 15:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Rob Roy
ou should delete that homing clause. That isn't a concept, anymore. I think it's an improvement, but I'm still
getting used to it. (actually, I'm still trying to decide whether to keep the damn or not...the AI is looking
refreshingly strong).

I'd be happy to add myself (robroy3@hotmail.com) to the sig list. But I'm really more of a playtester and user of
scenarios. Having the note come from recognizable designers of fine scenarios might send a stronger message
(even if it has fewer names). The dual list option might work, also.

I'll take care of the homing thing, thanks.

Everyone is needed, R R, whether you've made a scenario, helped with one or just enjoyed one. We don't need 2 lists, the scenarios are just for identification. But I do want to limit the number actually listed to two, in order to save room. So let me know which two, or I'll pick MY favourites.

I'm also wondering if we want to use our usernames rather than, or in addition to, our real names. They're what we're known by here.

H Tower · November 2, 2001, 17:57

you could just say aka and then the username like what case did and i copied

Immortal Wombat · November 2, 2001, 19:17

dp

Immortal Wombat · November 2, 2001, 19:18

Quote:

Originally posted by techumseh
I was wondering if anyone is interested in sending an "open letter" from the scenario community to Firaxis/Infogrames about the lack of scenario capability in Civ3 and what we want to see in a patch/v.2? If so, perhaps we could ask our friends over in Spanish Civ if they wanted to sign it as well, since they are essentially scenario makers/players too. (They seem pretty upset about something, but I can't make it out.

)

Well, ditto the CtP2 modders (all 5 of us

)
Count me in.

Ben Weaver (aka the Immortal Wombat)
weaver1@tinyworld.co.uk

oh yeah, and SCRIPTING LANGUAGE!!

Michael Daumen · November 2, 2001, 21:59

X

I read with anticipation the release of Civ3, voted one of the best games in the Games 100. Seeing this thread, my anticipation seems unwarranted.

And thank you, tecumseh, for representing the Civ2 community so eloquently.

William Keenan · November 3, 2001, 00:10

No Scenarios.

No Civ3.

William Keenan

The Cradle of Civilization

ravagon · November 3, 2001, 05:05

Quote:

Originally posted by William Keenan
No Scenarios.

No Civ3.

Well put.

Here's Me (Late again as usual

)
Peter (ravagon) Rumball
peterr@prth.pgs.com

Scenarios : Equivalent of about a dozen total (ie: About 2 dozen half finished

)

Quote: Without scripting/events there are no scenarios - Originally said by, er, me.

ravagon · November 3, 2001, 05:07

Quote:

Originally posted by Michael Daumen
And thank you, tecumseh, for representing the Civ2 community so eloquently.

I'll second that...

November 3, 2001, 05:26

Not sure if this is the official list but...

Shannon Walker
thewalkers3@earthlink.net

Jay Bee · November 3, 2001, 06:40

Quote:

Originally posted by techumseh
We don't need 2 lists, the scenarios are just for identification. But I do want to limit the number actually listed to two, in order to save room. So let me know which two, or I'll pick MY favourites.

I tend to agree with RobRoy. I believe that listing as many scenarios as possible is a good idea. It helps make our case stronger. Also like the idea of having two lists in one (designers plus ALL their works in one column and scenario lovers in the other).

Anyway,

No Spanish Civ

No MP

No scenarios

Conclusion: Civ3 really stinks. Unless they find a remedy asap, Civ3 is gonna become the flop of the century.

Jay Bee, spanish@apolyton.net

Scenarios at http://spanish.apolyton.net
(2 more in progress)

Mercator · November 3, 2001, 08:52

Well, I´ve had the chance to... erm... look at Civ3. I´d never thought I´d say this, but I really am considering not to buy Civ3 (until a patch is available). Civ3 runs slow (so I´ll have additional costs for a PC upgrade, and I´m not that wealthy), civ3edit is buggy, there is basically no scenario capability to speak of, the map editor is very lame (even worse than the civ2 one), and maps CANNOT be larger than they could be in civ2 multiplayer/test of time (also see my rant here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...8&pagenumber=2 ).

Sure, the AI may be superior, but if that´s the only improvement over Civ2, I see no point in buying it. I´ve hardly played ToT yet (never finished a game yet) and I´m only playing at Prince level or so in Civ2, so the Civ2 AI has enough challenges left for me.

I haven´t played a Civ3 game yet though. There is a chance Civ3 will grab me after all.

Goingonit · November 3, 2001, 10:45

Jacob Baskin
jbaskin@uts.oise.utoronto.ca

Scenarios: Greek Colonization, Out of the Darkness (in progress)

Fiera · November 3, 2001, 16:14

Juan González Villa (Fiera)

jgv@edinoesis.com

No scenarios yet, just art work (units, cities, etc. check: http://www.geocities.com/fiera_com/civ2 ), but LOADS of hours of fun with the scenarios you all have made.

klesh · November 3, 2001, 16:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Jay Bee
...It helps make our case stronger. Also like the idea of having two lists in one (designers plus ALL their works in one column and scenario lovers in the other).

put me down for Stalingrad (in progress)

-FMK.

BeBro · November 3, 2001, 16:57

And add Imperium Romanum, SubWar and Cross&Crescent for me...

Gothmog · November 4, 2001, 10:51

Carl Fritz
cfritz@angelfire.com
Scenarios: Pitt's War at Sea, Battle of Algiers

Hmm, I may have to come out of Civ II retirement. I had been waiting, in vain apparently, for the great new Civ3 scenario capability.

Case · November 4, 2001, 18:56

I just read on the Civ 3 General forum that aircraft can't sink ships! How the hell are you suposed to make a post 1939 scenario if the game engine is set against such a basic tennet of modern war?

H Tower · November 4, 2001, 19:10

aircraft can't what?!

what the hells the point then in having air planes if they can't kill stuff?

i bet cruise missles can't sink ships either

Cam · November 4, 2001, 19:32

My signature:
Cam Hills
Email: c.hills@bigpond.com

Scenarios : Pyramid Pursuit, Gangster, Rhino, Stoker.

hardjoy · November 4, 2001, 22:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Case
I just read on the Civ 3 General forum that aircraft can't sink ships! How the hell are you suposed to make a post 1939 scenario if the game engine is set against such a basic tennet of modern war?

Critical. I guess when you gain something, you lose something too. I know planes perform bombardment missions, but if they can't perform these against naval units, I'm a little baffled. They can do it against ground units, so why should naval units be an exception?

I just got my... erm, hands on the game, and while the game itself truly ROCKS, if performance-wise a little sluggishly, I bet we won't see good full-blown Civ3 scenarios for a LONG while. It's simply not built for it. There are a number of good points, especially the cultural, diplomatic and ressource concepts, but also a lot of major letdowns from Civ2. But it IS a superb game in its own right.