Open letter to Firaxis from the scenario community - Page 3

Red October · November 10, 2001, 13:56

For me, "We will finish the editor later" translates into "We will come out with an expansion to the game so we can take more of your money!!!!!!"

randomturn · November 10, 2001, 16:19

I'm with Dansch. I don't care if it comes in an expansion. I just want it done. The advantage to an expansion is that they'll at least have to add a fair amount of good stuff to make people want to buy it. It should be at least to level that ToT's editing tools were (multiple maps might be tough). Frankly it ought to be better than that.

Saint Marcus · November 10, 2001, 16:42

Sign me up

Mark Laanen
E-mail: laanen@home.nl
Scenarios: Fall of the West Roman Empire, Barron's Earth 3000

plus I'd like to request the ability to add units, more than the 21 you can add now in an indirect way.

kittenOFchaos · November 10, 2001, 18:59

Add me...you may not have played my one released scenario:

scenario: thering by ChrisHutch...
e-mail: BAkittenOFchaos@aol.com

It was an "upgrade" of Harlan Thompson's "Lord of the Rings" scenario...it had different graphics, more types of unit (and some changes so that unit utilisation was greater) plus you could play as Gondor and Rohan at the same time as the A.I never rode to your aid.

Thus I was able to make things tougher for Gondor as Rohan would be much more effective when they finally get to fight Mordor...plus I added as many appropriate events as possible (I'm pretty sure I had uploaded the version that required Golum to complete the quest! and in addition Moria would be colonized by Dwarves should you clear it...and the Balrog was made easier to destroy so Moria was an option!)

The scenario was available at Mr Temba's Site...I don't know if it is still available and since theives stole my old computer I don't have it to upload again

Anyway I support this open letter and the points raised...at the very least being able to play the world map with civilisations starting in their historic places HAS to be provided as soon as possible.

Hoek · November 10, 2001, 20:52

A feedback form!? This IS feedback, and they obviously read it. The problem is that they don't respond. See, a guy like me was originally just annoyed that the game didn't include decent modifying tools; but it does not speak well of Firaxis that they choose not to respond to fan feedback.

I, for one, am not satisfied with the product that they produced, and as such, I plan on excercising my power as a consumer to withold my money until Firaxis produces something decent for scenario makers, and I encourage everyone else who is dissatisfied to do the same. If Firaxis sees a surge in sales after they release an editor patch, that will speak in a language they can understand: money. I really think they miscalculated here. I know that there are alot of rookies who don't see what's so bad about it, but there are alot of us that expect more from several years of waiting and 50 bucks. If Firaxis is going to put such a high premium on selling the most units possible, then we as fans need to use that goal to produce a better civ product. I say boycott Civ 3. I may be the only one doing this, but I don't really care. They're not getting my fifty dollars without showing some consideration to the scenario community.

Jeff Morris shouldn't say that they are looking to have a dialogue with the Scenario-Making Community if he really doesn't want one. And if he does, he should engage us here, unquestionably the most appropriate site to do so.

Stefan Härtel · November 11, 2001, 05:43

I for one, find it inexcusable that a succeeding game, as this one is advertised, lacks the basic features of the game it succeeded.

mathgoulet · November 11, 2001, 21:55

I was waiting CIV3 for months to build my scenario about Middle East water problem...

If they can't do any rules.txt, why don't they allow flat world like Civ2, and do like Maxis for SC3K and put a sort of data sheet?

tonic · November 12, 2001, 01:50

While I am not a scenario creator, I totally empathize with the views and feelings of this community who in their serious sustained work have brought much enjoyment and extended the dimensions of the original Civ2.

Developers and a company who ignore this sensible request send obvious signals about their intentions. The defence based on their being family people who need to bring home the bacon is no defence at all.

Keep up the pressure!

Solmyr · November 12, 2001, 03:59

Lack of a scenario editor was a serious disappointment for me, because that's one thing I'm always looking for in these games. So sign me up for the letter.

Aleksei Andrievski
E-mail: solmyr@kolumbus.fi
Scenario: Arab Conquests (which I was planning to remake for Civ3

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Adm.Naismith · November 12, 2001, 06:23

Who patiently read me already know my disclaimer about not been a dedicated player of scenario or MOD in Civ II or SMAC, but considering my change in taste and the great promises from Firaxis I was considering to spend some time around three history scenario, mainly around not combat situation: one in middle age Europe (mainly focused on Italy) and a couple on modern era.

As I see on every editor review, I understand I can't barely have any basic tool to start my tasks, not to mention complete them to a level high enough to interest any game community.

I can live without a scenary (well, at least without mine scenary), but it seems to me a great loss for Civ III I step in to support your demand to Firaxis.

MarkG · November 12, 2001, 18:26

letter mailed to firaxis

i'm de-toping the thread

techumseh · November 12, 2001, 20:35

Thanks Markos. (For emailing the letter, not de-topping the thread) Do you have any idea when we might expect a reply? Has Firaxis indicated to you that they intend to provide one?

DarkCloud · November 12, 2001, 21:30

Quote:

Originally posted by [LordLMP]
So technicly, Editor like the one SMAC/X mix with the one in Test of Time plus some other things.

I surely hope it will be better than the SMAC monstrosity!

Sorry I am a bit late, but I'll sign up:

DarkCloud
ftg3@lycos.com
author of: Civil Warring Civilizations, Lord of the Flies, and a few other scenarios

techumseh · November 13, 2001, 01:09

Dark Cloud, where can one get your scenarios?

techumseh · November 13, 2001, 01:09

Dark Cloud, where can one get your scenarios?

TCO · November 13, 2001, 01:22

Quote:

Originally posted by Schnitzelnator

That would be robbery, plain and simple.

Why? There's no gun to head. Not even any false advertisising.

TCO · November 13, 2001, 01:25

Quote:

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader
You can add me to the list, but for the record, **** Firaxis.

edit by markg: great way to help this cause!

Markos, I hope your edit was to fix an actual obscenity. If not it's childish to put your retorts inside his post...

TCO · November 13, 2001, 01:30

Quote:

Originally posted by Grim Legacy

Yes indeed.

But you changed your handle a bit too.

Civ-wise, I've been lurking a little, playing a little SMAC, not liking it too much though. Not to mention CtP lol.

I had more or less planned to re-enter with the advent of Civ3. Too bad we're greeted with these scenario-related disappointments.

I'm not sure whether I even have an old account on these forums, I think they changed the Bulletin Board system. Maybe Markos or Dan can tell me?

Are you the same Khan who was on early days of Poly? Or maybe at Addicted or Universe? I remember one guy who I traded e-mails with after I made some coarse comments. He was ok..once I let him know I was being mock angry...

My username has been same entire time on Poly but was George Palmer or GBPIV on Addicted/Universe.

MarkG · November 13, 2001, 01:37

Quote:

Originally posted by techumseh
Do you have any idea when we might expect a reply? Has Firaxis indicated to you that they intend to provide one?

no to both questions(for the moment)

so far i only got a thank you note from Dan saying he was expecting to recieve it

MarkG · November 13, 2001, 01:39

Quote:

Originally posted by GP
Markos, I hope your edit was to fix an actual obscenity. If not it's childish to put your retorts inside his post...

my edit was on the word "****". our kind friend had circumvented the filter...

TCO · November 13, 2001, 01:45

Good Markos! You are in the right...

techumseh · November 13, 2001, 10:25

Quote:

Originally posted by MarkG
my edit was on the word "****". our kind friend had circumvented the filter...

What's the filter?

klesh · November 13, 2001, 11:45

A healthy dose of BUMP is in order to keep the cause alive.

-FMK.

techumseh · November 13, 2001, 18:52

I agree.

klesh · November 13, 2001, 22:19

It would seem that we are in agreement, techumseh

-FMK.

ravagon · November 14, 2001, 06:14

Quote:

Originally posted by techumseh
Dark Cloud, where can one get your scenarios?

Found DC's scenarios on the homepage in his profile.

Its such a pity that these and all other scenarios are not possible in civ3 (I am now in "keep repeating the same thing a million different times and it may actually work" mode - well either work or get me banned

) )

Oh, and incidentally ... Bump

Grim Legacy · November 14, 2001, 06:21

Quote:

Originally posted by GP

Are you the same Khan who was on early days of Poly? Or maybe at Addicted or Universe? I remember one guy who I traded e-mails with after I made some coarse comments. He was ok..once I let him know I was being mock angry...

My username has been same entire time on Poly but was George Palmer or GBPIV on Addicted/Universe.

I have been on Apolyton a long time back in the Civ2 (Scenario) days... 1996 and later I think, I was known as "El Khan" and also "Ayatollah Khan". Early days indeed.

The SLeague is still being hosted by Apolyton... I hope to return to Scenarios when the proper tools for Civ3 get here. In the meantime, I'm getting to know the game by actually playing it.

Ozymandous · November 14, 2001, 11:42

Quote:

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader

Yeah, I've already boycotted this game, and Firaxis. All you suckers who bought the game have just encouraged them to be @$$holes. Thanks a lot!

Maybe some people don't care about MP or the editor. I guess they are "suckers" because they don't like the same as you?

Yeah right.

Roman · November 14, 2001, 14:14

Oops,

I forgot to mention my scenarios. Here they go:

World in 2000
Falklands' War
Korean War
Current World

Hoek · November 14, 2001, 14:26

I think he was reffering to people who liked scenarios and MP who bought it anyway...and yes it does encourage them to be *******s.