Could someone enlight me about Slavs?

[Trifna]

Well the title says it all. Slavs seems to have some importance, as a civilisation. They are stil there, and are alive since quite some time. I woundered if anyone could make me profit of his knowledge? I was also woundering if they were distinct enough and all to consider as a Civ III civ. But maybe not since no one put out the subject really, even if Slavs are well known.

Anyone can teach me?

[krzysiek]

Slavs were east european tribes. From those tribes in 8 to 10-th century Czech, Slovakia, Poland, Rus, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. originated.

Follow the link:
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/woo.../halecki/2.htm

[KaiserIsak]

I dont think romenians are slavic (the name says it all)

[pithorr]

Don't forget Serbs, Croatians, Slovenians...

[shum00]

Originally posted by pithorr
Don't forget Serbs, Croatians, Slovenians...

Can't forget Ukrainians either!

[Oerdin]

Originally posted by shum00


Can't forget Ukrainians either!

or Bulgars, White Russians, and Macedonians....

Socially, Romanians aren't Slavs (though they must contain a great deal of slavic blood) and neither are Vlaks. Both of those groups have at least a tenuos connection to Latinic groups

[Roman]

A little about the Slavs:


Slovakia is s "Slavic" country, so I will summarize what I have learned in our history classes about the early history of the Slavs.

The location of the proto-homeland of Slavs is not entirely certain, but most historians think it covered roughly the area of the Piptine Marshes between the river Visla and Dneper in modern day Ukraine (and possibly stretching into Poland and Belorussia too).

At the dusk of the Western Roman Empire during the movement of peoples, the Slavs, probably under pressure from some invading groups (this is uncertain, though), moved out in three main thrusts from their 'original' homeland. Thus came the separation of the Slavs into the three main groups: 1) The Western Slavs, 2) The Southern Slavs and 3) The Eastern Slavs.

Now to cut the long story short, each of these "streams" consisted of numerous tribes that gradually coalesced into the Slavic nations we see today.

The situation nowadays:

Western Slavs: Czechs, Polish, Slovaks and (Luzite) Sorbs [the latter make up an ethnic group currently in Germany with only approx. 50,000 members);

Southern Slavs: Bosniaks/Herzegovinians, Bulgarians*, Croatians, Macedonians, Montenegrins (torn identity - many consider themselves Serbs), Serbs and Slovenes;

Eastern Slavs: Belorussians, Russians and Ukrainians (and possibly some groups that are more difficult to define, such as the Cossacs);

* These were originally a turkic tribe, but have been assimilated into the Slavic culture.


Note: It is important to remember that the "Slavic identity" has lost much of it's relevance and there is little enthusiasm for it in most Slavic countries, though it does exist. Many Slavic nations hate each other utterly (I am generalizing now). For example many Poles despise the Russians and we all know the affinity that the Serbs, the Croats and the Bosniaks (popularly reffered to as Bosnian Muslims [they are basically Slavs that accepted Islam under the Ottoman rule]) display for each other.


Another very important info I did not mention about the Slavs, that there is actually a great religious split between two groupings of Slavic nations.

Westen Slavic nations are predominantly Roman Catholic with large Lutheran minorities.
Southern Slavs are a mix. Croats and Slovenes are almost exclusively Catholic, Bosniaks are Muslim and the rest are all Orthodox. The Eastern Slavs are essentially all Orthodox.

[Roman]

Nobody interested in my enlightenment?

[krzysiek]

Originally posted by Roman
Nobody interested in my enlightenment?

I read your summary and found it interesting.
Greetings.

PS. Feeling better now?

[Trifna]

I'm reading all but I normally don't respond if I don't have something specific to say

[PMLF]

It's very interesting.

[Roman]

Thanks

[datakodin]

Originally posted by Roman

It is important to remember that the "Slavic identity" has lost much of it's relevance and there is little enthusiasm for it in most Slavic countries...

Correct. And our vodka is much more better than your.

Many Slavic nations hate each other utterly...

Why do you forget about Czechs and Slovaks?

[KrazyHorse]

Plus, the word "slave" originates from the word "Slav".

[Roman]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Plus, the word "slave" originates from the word "Slav".

Lol, does it really?

[Roman]

Hey, datakodin, you might be interested in the thread about Russia in the OT. It would be interesting to hear your opinion of Russia's problems.

[Az]

I see more and more people from the former SU are arriving to the OT .

[datakodin]

Originally posted by Roman
Hey, datakodin, you might be interested in the thread about Russia in the OT. It would be interesting to hear your opinion of Russia's problems.

Russia has problems?

Well, Roman - no, sorry. I'm not an expert for AIDS.

[Roman]

Originally posted by datakodin


Russia has problems?

Well, Roman - no, sorry. I'm not an expert for AIDS.

Well I find it sad that Russia seems to have such bad prospects for the future and merely think that Russian leaders should try to tackle the difficult problems now, before it is too late.

Anyway, my concern for Russia proves that Pan-Slavism did not die yet.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Roman


Lol, does it really?

Yup.

[szoszon]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Plus, the word "slave" originates from the word "Slav".

Thats bulsh*

Mariusz

[datakodin]

Szoszon, it is absolutely correct that the word "slave" originates from the word "Slav".

As a kind of retaliation, the Slavs call the Germans as "mute man" - niemec.

Edit: language, thanx to Martinus.

[Martinus]

Yeah, it is true.

In early middle ages most slaves in Western Europe were taken from Slavic countries. Hence the word.

And it is true about Germans too (although it is more like "mute man" not "dumb man", as Germans were thought as not able to speak the "normal" language, i.e. Slavic )

[Martinus]

Btw, did you know - and this is no bulls*** - that the slang English word "bugger" originated from "Bulgar"? 100 points for anyone who says why

[Jools]

why

[Martinus]

In middle ages the dualist/gnostic/manicheist sects were accused, among other things, of homosexual practices. Without getting into details, there were two main groups of these sects in Europe - Western European (Southern French) albigensians and Eastern European (Bulgarian) bogomils. As the sect however moved to the West from the East, in many countries (including England) they were often refferred to as "Bulgars". With time the word was distorted and acquired the present day meaning.

[datakodin]

http://www.enteract.com/~occult/occulus/c.html

look "CATHARI"


Martinus, 1 point for me please and 99 for Google


OOPS! TOO LATE!!!

[Martinus]

Originally posted by datakodin
http://www.enteract.com/~occult/occulus/c.html

look "CATHARI"


Martinus, 1 point for me please and 99 for Google

More than 1 point for you, datakodin. It is not that widely known

[datakodin]

OK.

1.5

[bogi]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Plus, the word "slave" originates from the word "Slav".

pure bullshit

the word slav came from the word Slaw. That usally ended in slavic last names.

I.E

Boguslaw
Wadyslaw


Slaw means Word.