Reprise: Is Civilization II still a good game?

Zer0_T0lerance · November 16, 2001, 00:45

This is a reprise to the previous poll since the first one was a bit too much of a landslide. The results should be more evened out on this one.

Venger · November 16, 2001, 00:58

Civ2 is widely considered one of the greatest games ever released. It's hard to keep Civ/Civ2 separate, I think Civ2 gets bonus points because people liked Civ as well...

Civ3 reveals some things that Civ2 didn't do, or do well. But it also reveals in it's first incarnation that Civ2 did some things pretty damn good and that sometimes change for changes sake isn't always a good thing...

Venger

PapaLenin · November 16, 2001, 02:55

Civ2 just is much better than this "as soon as possible" made civ3.

Earthling7 · November 16, 2001, 03:23

Civ2 is crap. It's nothing more than a glorified chessboard!

Oh, and the Artificial Idiots you play against... and MP? Takes three years to finish a turn against my girlfriend, and then she complains that I am slow! I thought girls liked slow.

Anyway, not for me.

shade · November 16, 2001, 08:41

It's just plain best there is.How could it otherwise be so addictive??

Shade

Juggler · November 16, 2001, 08:52

It's still a great game. I never stop playing it.

drake · November 16, 2001, 09:56

Quote:

Civ2 is crap. It's nothing more than a glorified chessboard!

Most strategy games are glorified board games. In fact, I can't think of any in the civilization building genre that arent.

I've logged a lot of hours playing video games in my life, but civ2 takes the cake in the #1 spot in hours played. 5 Stars. Despite some annoying details, I find very little to be wrong with the game.

Havent played civ3 yet, but alot of the stuff (cartoon diplo screens, animated graphics, other assorted happy horsesh1t) looks a little too hokey for my tastes......but I'm certainly gonna give it a run!

Lars-E · November 16, 2001, 13:32

Of course civ2 is 5 stars. Who dare say anything else?

It will be around as long as there are PC's on earth.

Marquis de Sodaq · November 16, 2001, 13:48

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Originally posted by Earthling7
Takes three years to finish a turn against my girlfriend,

Maybe she's out on a date while you think she's micromanaging...

Even CivII gets boring, but the never ending parade of scenarios keeps it eternally fresh. Easily the best computer game ever, in my opinion.

klesh · November 16, 2001, 14:22

Drake, I feel the same way regarding the cutsie/ hoakie stuff they have added for show. And I have the LE, bought it the first day it came out. I have officially put it down. Played 4 games and can't stand it. It has given me a new appriciation of the streamlined aspects of CivII. I can't tell you how nice it feels to get back on CivII, where everthing works and things are familliar and comfortable.

The cons of CivII do not outweigh the pros of CivIII.

-FMK.

Scouse Gits · November 16, 2001, 16:19

5 Stars! I hope to give Civ 3 more when I've played it!

Early accounts of the game seem promising. However, I do share some of the reservations about the silly stuff. The screen shots of the maps look a bit too sci-fi for my tastes.

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SG(2)

ColdWizard · November 16, 2001, 22:02

assuming MGE, then 5 stars. i've an interesting civ3 game going on, but instead of playing it i'm going to play rah and war4ever

cassembler · November 17, 2001, 00:27

I played Civ2 last night for the first time since I got Civ3... Yup, it still completely kicks booty, though the early game is surprisingly... dry. The game is just as much of a classic as ANY computer game ever released... It's THAT good.

Rasbelin · November 17, 2001, 04:47

Civ III is the sultan, but Civ II is the grand vizier and Civ the crown prince.

Long live Civ II!

Jay Bee · November 17, 2001, 07:33

Of course it is! Civ2 is in a league of its own. Civ3? What's Civ3?

MartinS · November 18, 2001, 15:00

I agree with you, shade. There is no other game that had made me spend so many hours in front of my computer. Definitely 5 stars!

Oncle Boris · November 18, 2001, 17:20

Well, the release of Civ3 poses an important dilemma. Civ 3 manages to fix many complaints and is a great step forward - the problem is, they only added maybe half of what they could have done.

civ3 offers:

much improved diplomacy
excellent ressource system
incredibly better war model (war is now to be entered very thinkfully)
Small Wonders are a great idea.

what is incredibly annoying about civ3:

units have no firepower anymore - it is so frustating to have tanks defeated by musketmen. (and pikemen too, sometimes)
corruption is so annoying you'll want to kill yourself
Concepts of resistance only half-implemented - they could have done so much about it - with colony cities fighting for independance, civil wars, and the likes.

Given that, civ3 is better than civ2, but far from being the instant classic civ2 was at its release.

The ANZAC · November 18, 2001, 19:15

5 years and going on Civ2. That should speak for itself.

Even with Civ3, they both can coincide nicely.

reds4ever · November 19, 2001, 19:25

any game that gives 5+ years of entertainment has got to get 5 stars! the major thing i did n't like was pushing caravans about a large map, which has been sorted in Civ3

ignore the graphics scouse, you soon get used to them, the trade and culture systems REALLY makes you think about expanding too quickly in case your internal lines are broken by an enemy, and the AI seems much improved too (thou i've only had it a week or so)

sulla · November 25, 2001, 17:55

A classic will never die

Mercator · November 25, 2001, 19:08

5 stars

I'm not even close to being done with playing Civ2 (I still have to: beat Deity, learn to play scenarios, multi-play, play ToT, make scenarios, make maps, finally finish my Civ2 maps site

)

I do't think I'll buy Civ3 anytime soon. Not that it is that bad or anything. Just that I can very much live without it, because I have plenty other things to do.

As a side note, I don't think the results in this poll are very surprising. With Civ3 out, it's mostly the die-hard Civ2 fans (and the odd spammer

) that visit the Civ2 forums.

The ANZAC · November 25, 2001, 20:05

The two of you who voted "Mom, give me cyanide" (you know who you are

) Show yourselves and face our wrath!!!

Rasbelin · November 26, 2001, 02:27

I'm too wondering who have dared to vote on that cyanide option...

shade · November 27, 2001, 12:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Rasbelin
I'm too wondering who have dared to vote on that cyanide option...

Forgive them Father ,for they don't know...

(Cyanide is prepared and ready to be served

)

Shade

The ANZAC · November 28, 2001, 23:11

Reveal yourselves, you two audacious punks who vote for cyanide!!!!

War4ever · December 1, 2001, 21:02

although full of flaws that have been exploited...civ2mge is the best bang for my buck ever.....whether beating up on Coldwizard or being smacked around by Markusf, civ2mge is awesome.....

but thats b/c i love MP....it was a good sp game too but the origional was better slightly for diplomacy

ColdWizard · December 2, 2001, 01:35

and i thoroughly enjoy the sound thrashings war4ever (and certain others) hand out

War4ever · December 2, 2001, 03:43

i checked out your website.... kewl stuff

i checked out AH site too....don't let him know though

ColdWizard · December 2, 2001, 04:45

thanks for the feedback

AH has a site?

just to stay on topic (more or less), civ 3 has rekindled some interest in civ2. i'm off to download some scenarios