November 27, 2001, 16:21
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Warlord
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Diplomacy Bug/Design Flaw
Renegotiating the peace treaty with an AI civ (for example peacy treaty + ivory : peace treaty + wines + 5G/T) it says that this deal will last until war is declared again. However the AI seems to be able to bring it up after 20 turns and the only thing on the table is the peace treaty. You cant renegotiate and if you refuse the offer then _you_ are the one that is considered declaring war. This is REALLY obnoxious when you beat the crap put of an opposing civ, take a good chunk of their cities and then in the peace treaty you offer them back their cities in exchange for a hefty gold per turn settlement. Then after 20 turns they turn around and politly ask you to renew the peace treaty which suddenly becomes enormously in their favor (they keep the cities and you no longer get your gold). They should have to declare war to get out of a peace treaty, or at least they should renegotiate the same way you have to! 
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November 27, 2001, 16:24
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King
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Nader, it's a bad implementation by the game designers again.
Declare war, then immediately afterwards suggest a new peace treaty with the demands you want.
I agree that the terms of the peace treaty should be renegotiatable every 20 years, it's just that the process for doing so isn't very well designed.
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November 27, 2001, 16:51
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Warlord
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It works the same way in real life, so don't blame the programmers. 
You can always offer another "deal"
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November 28, 2001, 22:19
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Warlord
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Oh and on a side note if you are demanding resources from them the renegotiating wont work because for some stupid reason you can only demand resources if you are at peace 
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November 29, 2001, 01:48
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Warlord
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I also sent this in to firaxis as a bug report.
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November 29, 2001, 17:59
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Settler
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See my post-it discusses more diplomacy problems-and there are A TON which could easily be fixed with a patch.
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November 29, 2001, 18:31
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Warlord
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They really need to take a step back and redo the way Diplomacy is implemented. I know that this will never be a patch issue ... maybe a CivIV ... but they need to stop thinking inside the box.
I've dreamed of a much nicer system and I bet that there are some stunning ideas from the members of this forum ... very few of which are as linear of the current implementation.
Let's face it, it's YEARS on from Civ I and yet they are using the same bloody Diplomacy model.
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