December 3, 2001, 06:29
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Warlord
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Is civ III unfinished?
I've been playing civ III for a while now and reading this forum.
My conclusion is that Civ III is buggy, but still most enjoyable.
After a while though the bugs stand in the way of further play.
Could this all be down to the fact that Civ III was unfinished when released? More time to think things through, implement concepts better and testing would have made Civ III a brilliant game?
If that is the case, it is my opinion that Infogrames take a running jump and that Firaxis and the Civ-III-fan-community (those that can program), collaborate to make Civ III what it should have been (Under the coordination of Firaxis). If you look at the contribution the Fans made to Baldur's Gate II in cooperation and with support from Blackisle, this is certainly possible.
If Firaxis doesn't have the time/manpower the fan-community certainly does.
Robert
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December 3, 2001, 06:31
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King
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But not the maturity. Nor the dedication of the Firaxis guys who worked through the night for months on end. Nor the good sense to know a feature from a bug many times.
[...shudder...]
These guys putting out a game? If they could have, they already would have.
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December 3, 2001, 08:17
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Born Again Optimist
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Oh, Civ is finished, that's for sure. 
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December 3, 2001, 11:01
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Warlord
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..There is no harm in asking...
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Originally posted by yin26
Oh, Civ is finished, that's for sure.
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..did you eventually pay for your copy in the end Yin, because it sounds like you've made up your mind not to buy?
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December 3, 2001, 11:09
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King
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Re: ..There is no harm in asking...
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..did you eventually pay for your copy in the end Yin, because it sounds like you've made up your mind not to buy?
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he did. 
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joseph 1944: LaRusso if you can remember past yesterday I never post a responce to one of your statement. I read most of your post with amusement however.
You are so anti-america that having a conversation with you would be poinless. You may or maynot feel you are an enemy of the United States, I don't care either way. However if I still worked for the Goverment I would turn over your e-mail address to my bosses and what ever happen, happens.
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December 3, 2001, 11:23
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King
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There, you see? I've been telling people there is a God.
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December 3, 2001, 11:59
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Born Again Optimist
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Nope, never bought my copy. I was planning to go in on a Monday but played solid through the weekend and had deleted by Sunday night. I *did* however go in and buy another game from the computer guy ... some local Korean game that wouldn't even load on my English system!
Still, I don't feel cheated somehow.
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December 3, 2001, 12:07
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Warlord
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Originally posted by yin26
Nope, never bought my copy. I was planning to go in on a Monday but played solid through the weekend and had deleted by Sunday night. I *did* however go in and buy another game from the computer guy ... some local Korean game that wouldn't even load on my English system!
Still, I don't feel cheated somehow.
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....Ahhh but I bet Fraxis do though! 
Using a full Month/100+ hours, it is really heart warming to see someone who really knows how to take the 'Try before you buy' to the extreme.
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December 3, 2001, 12:12
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King
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Originally posted by yin26
Nope, never bought my copy. I was planning to go in on a Monday but played solid through the weekend and had deleted by Sunday night. I *did* however go in and buy another game from the computer guy ... some local Korean game that wouldn't even load on my English system!
Still, I don't feel cheated somehow.
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um, i am sure you said you bought it but you also said you stopped playing and will wait for it to be 'properly patched'
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joseph 1944: LaRusso if you can remember past yesterday I never post a responce to one of your statement. I read most of your post with amusement however.
You are so anti-america that having a conversation with you would be poinless. You may or maynot feel you are an enemy of the United States, I don't care either way. However if I still worked for the Goverment I would turn over your e-mail address to my bosses and what ever happen, happens.
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December 3, 2001, 12:44
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King
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I thought he said he bought it, played it, hated it, stopped playing it, played it again, is waiting for the patch, deleted it, reinstalled it, and generally fiddle-farted in and out of some sort of uberangst.
[...looks away, lost in thought...]
Or am I thinking of Ayn Rand trying to decide on Objectivism's official aesthetic?
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December 3, 2001, 14:21
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King
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After reading only the title
Yes.
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December 3, 2001, 16:58
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Warlord
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Yes until they finish the editor. Other than that and a few minor bugs its fine.
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December 3, 2001, 18:00
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Warlord
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Commenting on the title
Yes, its unfinished, it needs polish (a lot). 
But it is playable right out of the box, so its better than a lot of stuff out there. 
And no matter what they released, this community would be coming up with all sorts of ideas to improve it. 
I look forward to the improvements.
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December 3, 2001, 19:24
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Prince
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can any game ever be finished?
especially one with such a huge scope
there's alot to cover in human history
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December 3, 2001, 20:04
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King
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"A work of art is never finished. It is merely abandoned." -- Some guy somewhere
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December 3, 2001, 20:19
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Born Again Optimist
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Never said I bought it. I had it on loan for a week. I stopped playing a while ago. Only played 4 full games. Took it back. If a miracle happens come Gold Edition some time, might pick it up then.
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December 3, 2001, 20:26
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the game might be finished if they add a few things, like multiplayer and scenario supprt to name two biggies 
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December 3, 2001, 22:37
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Warlord
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We'll see on Saturday, won't we. Can't wait!
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December 3, 2001, 22:55
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King
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Originally posted by sachmo71
We'll see on Saturday, won't we. Can't wait!
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Yep  . Though a more practical viewpoint may be "we'll see in a few patches", we can only hope .
As to my opinion, yes, Civ 3 is unfinished, yes, they should have spent a bit more time 'polishing it up', and yes, it is a truely awsome game. I downloaded the demo of Civ 2 for the Mac about three years ago -- within three days of playing the demo, I HAD to buy it -- and buy it I did. Civ 3, dispite it's quirks and faults, is keeping me at the same level of entertainment. Now, I hope they release patches and fix some stuff, and I'll be pretty po'ed if Faraxis doesn't, but they said they will, and I don't believe they're lying, so for now -- we just have to see.
But, in conclusion: to Faraxis on a great game! Now just -- finish it . Show my faith in your ability to overcome even the mindless screwing of Infogrames is well placed.
-- adaMada
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