Korean Civilization Expansion (Initial)

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The Koreans:

Proper: The Koreans
Noun: Koreans
Adj.: Korean

Title: Daewang
Ruler (Gender): Sejong (Male)

Leaders (Surname, Firstname):
1. Tangun
2. Yi Sunshin
3. Tongmyong
4. Onjo
5. Hyokkose Kosogan
6. Taejo

Unique Unit:
Kobukson (3/3/3; Saltpeter and Iron); replaces frigate

Civilization Strengths: Scientific, Commercial

Favored Government: Monarchy
Shunned Government: Communism

Cities:
Seoul-shi
P'yeongyang-shi
Inch'eon
Daejeon-shi
Daegu-shi
Kwangju-shi
Pusan-shi
Ulsan-shi
Namp'o-shi
Kaeseong-shi
Kyeongju-shi
Chaeju-shi
Ch'angwon-shi
Cheonju-shi
Ch'eongju-shi
Suwon-shi
Ch'unch'eon-shi
Haeju-shi
Shinuiju-shi
Hamheung-shi
Ch'eongjin-shi
Seogwip'o-shi
Mokp'o-shi
Kunsan-shi
Namwon-shi
Chinju-shi
Chinhae-shi
Masan-shi
Kimhae-shi
P'ohang-shi
Andong-shi
Yeongju-shi
Kumi-shi
Asan-shi
Ch'eonan-shi
Ch'ungju-shi
Uijeongbu-shi
Seongnam-shi
Anyang-shi
Osan-shi
P'yeongtaek-shi
Wonju-shi
Sokch'o-shi
Songrim-shi
Sariwon-shi
Wonsan-shi
Heungnam-shi
Najin-shi
Seongjin-shi
Naju-shi
Sunch'eon-shi
Yeoch'eon-shi
Yeosu-shi
Kwangyang-shi
Iksan-shi
Kimchae-shi
Cheongup-shi
Sach'eon-shi
Tongyeong-shi
Keochae-shi
Kyeongsan-shi
Yeongch'eon-shi
Kimch'eon-shi
Sasan-shi
Kongju-shi
Boryeong-shi
Nonsan-shi
Chaech'eon-shi
Dongduch'eon-shi
Koyang-shi
Namyangju-shi
Kuri-shi
Kwangmyeong-shi
Kwach'eon-shi
Hanam-shi
Shiheung-shi
Ansan-shi
Kunp'o-shi
Uiwang-shi
Yongin-shi
Daebaek-shi
Samch'eok-shi
Donghae-shi
Kangreung-shi
Haesan-shi
Shinp'o-shi
Manp'o-shi
Kangkyae-shi
Huich'eon-shi
Kuseong-shi

Portraits of Daewang Sejong:
on the W10000 bill at:
http://www.chrealty.co.kr/content/gu...k_currency.htm

a portrait on a throne is at:
www.jaars.org/museum/alphabet/ people/sejong.htm

a statue at:
www.typographie.org/trajan/ hangul/hangul_1.html
www.angelfire.com/hi3/livingworkshop/ korean.html
www.pennfamily.org/KSS-USA/ hist-map5.html

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Wernazuma, etc., this is what i'm thinking would be the Korean civ.

The cities are not based on historical names; i unfortunately couldn't find my korean historical atlas. that's all good, i suppose, it saves me on romanization troubles (i.e., having to distinguish between Suwon (present-day) and Suwon (possibly also romanized Seowon, no present-day Ch'ongju))

comment.

[yin26]

Great start! I have a bunch of ancient city names I could post for you later.

[Veracitas]

awesome job, q cubed...keep up the good work

[Veracitas]

Anyway, i noticed that there were only five leaders, and while I don't know how many there hsould be, here are a few more suggestions:

Yi Song-gye --circa fourteenth century - General who wiped out the Chinese invaders "Red Turbans" 150,000 strong

Chunjong and Nammo - the two girls who were founders of the Hwoarang youth corps but ended up killing each other

Kim Yu-Shin - member of the Hwoarang who helped to unify Shilla, circa 600s AD

Ulchi Mundok - circa late sixth century, Koguryan commander who destroyed an invasion force from the Sui Dynasty that was 1,130,000 men strong

if more needed, i'd be happy to pull them up.

[Wernazuma III]

Thanks Q Cubed

I'm posting part 4 of the finalization thread now and will copy your info into it.

Yin: City Names are greatly appreciated, one can never have enough

[siredgar]

Until recently, commercial activity was frowned upon by most Koreans. This is because the Koreans adhered to the strictest of Confucian ethics looking down upon merchants as lower than peasants. Trading goods for money was considered dirty.

On the other hand, they have always been religious. Shamanism has played an important role as well as Buddhism and today, Christianity. A lot of the Koreans I know are church fanatics.

That is why the Koreans should be religious in a Civ III expansion pack.

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Until recently, commercial activity was frowned upon by most Koreans. This is because the Koreans adhered to the strictest of Confucian ethics looking down upon merchants as lower than peasants. Trading goods for money was considered dirty.

On the other hand, they have always been religious. Shamanism has played an important role as well as Buddhism and today, Christianity. A lot of the Koreans I know are church fanatics.

That is why the Koreans should be religious in a Civ III expansion pack.

yeah, the second one actually gave me a lot of pause, before i decided on commercial.

the reason i ended up how i did, with commercial, as opposed to religious or industrious, is that the way i see it, the two eras in which korea was successful (pre-industrial age and modern age), was that science was always there; and commercial, i think, proved to be a bigger influence in bringing korea from third-world to first-world in less than fifty years. religious i almost considered, but decided to go against because the religious aspect has all but vanished from the modern korea, at least, a strong, single, unifying religion/religious group.

the only one i'm perfectly certain with is scientific. as for the second, that's still up in the air, but i'm leaning commercial.

[Veracitas]

industrious wouldn't be a bad choice, either.

[siredgar]

In my opinion, the inclusion of the Koreans in Civ III would be primarily based on pre-16th century history. They had a remarkable civilization complete with the arts, literature, and many notable inventions.

Modern Korea's rise is relatively new-- only a few years. Its significance today pales in comparison to its achievements in yesteryear. Anyhow, it's still a divided nation.

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arg, this makes me so mad. on this cursed 28.8 connection (i don't know why my 56k modem isn't working) that i have at home, often i get errors from apolyton such as: "too many visitors", or "thread not specified", or "page not found"...

so my response is gone, flown into the wind.

siredgar: what my response was, originally, was something along the lines of how although i agree with your points, i still think the fact that going from abysmal economy to 13th worldwide, merits much attention.

the best we can hope to do, however, is when firaxis takes suggestions or even looks at this, that we'll have to present our cases and let them decide.

[yin26]

Q-Cubed:

By the way, I have right here in front of me, 'Major Dynasties and Rulers' from 37B.C. to 1945 (and of course the list from then). It's about 200 names. Maybe you'd like just the founding ruler of each dynasty? Well, that's easy:

• Koguryo --Ko Dynasty-- (?37 B.C. - 668 A.D.): Tongmyong Wang
• Paekche (?18 B.C. - 660 A.D.): Onjo Wang
• Shilla --Pak, Sok, Kim Dynasties-- (57 B.C. - 935 A.D.): Hyokkose Kosogan
• Koryo --Wang Dynasty-- (918 - 1392): T'aejo
• Choson --Yi Dynasty-- (1392 - 1910): T'aejo

Then Japanese occupation and modern presidents. There are 196 more names if you need them.

As for ancient locations, I've got some here, though it's hard for me to tell if they are city names or regions in some cases. The darn thing is spelled in English, which screws it all up! LOL.

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I've change the leaders, to make it fitting.

Now, the Ruler is Daewang Sejong (King Sejong the Great), with the leaders being the dynasty founders + Adm. Yi Sunshin and Tangun, the originator of Korea.

[Veracitas]

Hey, are gonna need more cities? i've noticed that compared to the other civs on Wernazuma's list, the Koreans have a noticeably smaller city list...can we think of any more (i'm sure there are a bunch out there).

[Wernazuma III]

Veracitas is right, the Korean city-list has not ExtraPack-quantity standards, it'd be nice to see more.

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i'll post it after christmas.

[yin26]

O.K. Here's a look at how modern South Corea is laid out. I'll get back to you on the North.

"-si" = City
"-gu" = District
"-gun" = Township
"-do" = Province/District/Island

Seoul Metropolitan
Gangnam-gu
Gangdong-gu
Gangbuk-gu
Gangseo-gu
Gwanak-gu
Gwangjin-gu
Guro-gu
Geumcheon-gu
Nowon-gu
Dobong-gu
Dongdaemun-gu
Dongjak-gu
Mapo-gu
Seodaemun-gu
Seocho-gu
Seongdong-gu
Seongbuk-gu
Songpa-gu
Yangcheon-gu
Yeongdeungpo-gu
Yongsan-gu
Eunpyeong-gu
Jongno-gu
Jung-gu
Jungnang-gu

Incheon Metropolitan
Ganghwa-gun
Gyeyang-gu
Nam-gu
Namdong-gu
Dong-gu
Bupyeong-gu
Seo-gu
Yeonsu-gu
Ongjin-gun
Jung-gu

Daejeon Metropolitan
Daedeok-gu
Dong-gu
Seo-gu
Yuseong-gu
Jung-gu

Daegu Metropolitan
Nam-gu
Dalseo-gu
Dalseong-gun
Dong-gu
Buk-gu
Seo-gu
Suseong-gu
Jung-gu

Gwangju Metropolitan
Gwangsan-gu
Nam-gu
Dong-gu
Buk-gu
Seo-gu

Busan Metropolitan
Gangseo-gu
Geumjeong-gu
Gijang-gun
Nam-gu
Dong-gu
Dongnae-gu
Busanjin-gu
Buk-gu
Sasang-gu
Saha-gu
Seo-gu
Suyeong-gu
Yeonje-gu
Yeongdo-gu
Jung-gu
Haeundae-gu

Ulsan Metropolitan
Nam-gu
Jung-gu
Dong-gu
Ulju-gu

Gyeonggi-do Province
Gapyeong-gun
Goyang-si
Gwacheon-si
Gwangmyeong-si
Gwangju-si
Guri-si
Gunpo-si
Gimpo-si
Namyangju-si
Dongducheon-si
Bucheon-si
- Wonmi-gu
- Ojong-gu
- Sosa-gu
Seongnam-si
- Sujeong-gu
- Bundang-gu
- Jungwon-gu
Suwon-si
- Jangan-gu
- Gwonseon-gu
- Paldal-gu
Siheung-si
Ansan-si
Anseong-si
Anyang-si
- Deokyang-gu
- Ilsan-gu
- Man-an-gu
- Dongan-gu
Yangju-gun
Yangpyeong-gun
Yeoju-gun Z
Yeoncheon-gun Z
Osan-si
Yongin-si
Uiwang-si
Uijeongbu-si
Icheon-si
Paju-si
Pyeongtaek-si
Pocheon-gun
Hanam-si
Hwaseong-gun

Gangwon-do Province
Gangnung-si
Goseong-gun
Donghae-si
Samcheok-si
Sokcho-si
Yanggu-gun
Yangyang-gun
Yeongwol-gun
Wonju-si
Inje-gun
Jeongseon-gun
Chuncheon-si
Cheolwon-gun
Taebaek-si
Pyeongchang-gun
Hongcheon-gun
Hwacheon-gun
Hoengseong-gun

Chungcheongbuk Province
Goesan-gun
Danyang-gun
Boeun-gun
Yeongdong-gun
Okcheon-gun
Eumseong-gun
Jecheon-si
Jincheon-gun
Cheongwon-gun
Cheongju-si
- Sangdang-gu
- Heungdeok-gu
Chungju-si

Chungcheongnam-do Province
Gongju-si
Geumsan-gun
Nonsan-si
Dangjin-gun
Boryeong-si
Buyeo-gun
Seosan-si
Seocheon-gun
Asan-si
Yeongi-gun
Yesan-gun
Cheonan-si
Cheongyang-gun
Taean-gun
Hongseong-gun

Gyeongsangbuk-do Province
Gyeongsan-si
Gyeongju-si
Goryeong-gun
Gumi-si
Gunwi-gun
Gimcheon-si
Mungyeong-si
Bonghwa-gun
Sangju-si
Seongju-gun
Andong-si
Yeongdeok-gun
Yeongyang-gun
Yeongju-si
Yeongcheon-si
Yecheon-gun
Ullung-gun
Uljin-gun
Uiseong-gun
Cheongdo-gun
Cheongsong-gun
Chilgok-gun
Pohang-si
- Nam-gu
- Buk-gu

Gyeongsangnam-do Province
Geoje-si
Geochang-gun
Goseong-gun
Gimhae-si
Namhae-gun
Masan-si
- Hoewon-gu
- Happo-gu
Miryang-si
Sacheon-si
Sancheong-gun
Yangsan-si
Uiryeong-gun
Jinju-si
Jinhae-si
Changnyeong-gun
Changwon-si
Tongyeong-si
Hadong-gun
Haman-gun
Hamyang-gun
Hapcheon-gun

Jeollabuk-do Province
Gochang-gun
Gunsan-si
Gimje-si
Namwon-si
Muju-gun
Buan-gun
Sunchang-gun
Wanju-gun
Iksan-si
Imsil-gun
Jangsu-gun
Jeonju-si
- Wansan-gu
- Deokjin-gu
Jeongup-si
Jinan-gun

Jeollanam-do Province
Gangjin-gun
Goheung-gun
Gokseong-gun
Gwangyang-si
Gurye-gun
Naju-si
Damyang-gun
Mokpo-si
Muan-gun
Boseong-gun
Suncheon-si
Sinan-gun
Yeosu-si
Yeocheon-gun
Yeocheon-si
Yeonggwang-gun
Yeongam-gun
Wando-gun
Jangseong-gun
Jangheung-gun
Jindo-gun
Hampyeong-gun
Haenam-gun
Hwasun-gun

Jeju-do Province
Namjeju-gun
Bukjeju-gun
Seogwipo-si
Jeju-si

[Wernazuma III]

Yei, we'll never have New Seoul !

[yin26]

LOL! Yes, if we don't mind using the names used within the cities, I think we'll never see New Seoul. I kind of like the -gu, etc., extensions. Adds a nice flavor to the game.

You'll also notice, though, some of the cities use district names like "North" "South" "East" "West," etc. So you can't use those more than once, I suppose, unless you run the whole city + district name together. At any rate, still more than enough to work with, I think. And if we add North Corea here ...

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thanks, yin! very comprehensive list. i'll be trying to rank them by population soon... or be trying to.

the city list, edited again. I won't use the provinces, or the other divisions, just cities (yin, my extended family lives in Ch'ongju-si, Heungduk-gu... next time i'm there, i may give you a ring. won't be there for a while, but...). the methodology follows as: capitals ranked first, then the city-states, then province capitals, then the cities i've heard of, then other cities.

i've decided to keep the -si designator (literally means "city"), but i'm going to remove the "kwang yuk" or "deuk byul" additions for seoul and the other city-states, so everything will be "-si".

in terms of romanization and pronunciation, however, i'm torn between leaving it as "-si" or "-shi" which is closer to how it should be pronounced...

on another note, this is what i've found in terms of provinces for nkorea/ncorea, and cities within those provinces; these will not be following the mccune-reischauer, or moe systems; i'm using a system that i think more closely follows m-r, but since i don't have the chart commited to memory, and i'm doing this straight from korean...:

nkorea, ca. 1995
hamkyeongbuk-do (north hamkyeong province)
ch'eongjin-shi
hoeryeong-shi
najin-shi
seongjin-shi
onseong-shi
kyeongwon-shi
kyeongheung-shi
unggi-shi
musan-shi
buryeong-shi
yeonsa-shi
jueul-shi
yeorang-shi
yeongan-shi
myeongch'eon-shi
hwadae-shi

hamkyeongnam-do (south hamkyeong province)
hamheung-shi
danch'eon-shi
shinp'o-shi
heoch'eon-shi
bucheon-shi
changjin-shi
deokseong-shi
iwon-shi
shinheung-shi
bukch'eong-shi
heungwon-shi
oro-shi
doejo-shi
hamju-shi
cheongp'yeong-shi
yodeok-shi
yeongheung-shi
kowon-shi

yanggang-do (yanggang province)
hyesan-shi
samjiyeon-shi
daeheungdan-shi
boch'eon-shi
baekam-shi
huch'ang-shi
shinp'a-shi
samsu-shi
unheung-shi
kapsan-shi
p'ungseo-shi
p'ungsan-shi

jagang-do (jagang province)
kankyae-shi
manp'o-shi
heuich'eon-shi
chunggang-shi
chaseong-shi
hwap'yeong-shi
changgang-shi
shijung-shi
uiwon-shi
dongmungeori-shi
ch'osan-shi
seonggan-shi
ushi-shi
kop'ung-shi
cheonch'eon-shi
yongrim-shi
songwon-shi
dongshin-shi

p'yeonganbuk-do (north p'yeongan province)
shinuiju-shi
kuseong-shi
cheongju-shi
songseo-shi
ch'angseong-shi
sakju-shi
uiju-shi
daekwan-shi
dongch'ang-shi
unsan-shi
ch'eonma-shi
p'ihyeon-shi
yongch'eon-shi
yeomju-shi
donglim-shi
taech'eon-shi
yeongbyeon-shi
kujang-shi
shindo-shi
seonch'eon-shi
ch'eolsan-shi
kwaksan-shi
unjun-shi

p'yeongannam-do (south p'yeongan province)
p'yeongseong-shi
deokch'eon-shi
kaech'eon-shi
anju-shi
sunch'eon-shi
daeheung-shi
yeongwon-shi
maengsan-shi
bukch'ang-shi
mundeok-shi
sukch'eon-shi
seongch'eon-shi
yeongyu-shi
shinyang-shi
yangdeok-shi
daedong-shi
hoech'ang-shi
cheungsan-shi
onch'eon-shi

hwanghaebuk-do (north hwanghae province)
sariwon-shi
songrim-shi
shinp'yong-shi
yeonsan-shi
koksan-shi
hwangju-shi
yeontan-shi
suan-shi
shinkyae-shi
bongsan-shi
seoheung-shi
p'yongsan-shi
eunp'a-shi
insan-shi
keumch'eon-shi
tosan-shi

hwanghaenam-do (south hwanghae province)
haeju-shi
eunch'eon-shi
eundyul-shi
anak-shi
p'ungch'eon-shi
songhwa-shi
chaeryeong-shi
samch'eon-shi
changan-shi
yongyeon-shi
shinwon-shi
bongch'eon-shi
daetan-shi
byeokseong-shi
ch'eongdan-shi
baech'eon-shi
ongjin-shi
kangryeong-shi
yeonan-shi

kangwon-do (kangwon province (half of it is in skorea))
wonsan-shi
munch'eon-shi
ch'eondae-shi
beopdong-shi
anbyeon-shi
kojeo-shi
kosan-shi
changjun-shi
koseong-shi
hoeyang-shi
p'ankyo-shi
keumgang-shi
saep'o-shi
ch'angdo-shi
ich'eon-shi
p'yonggang-shi
kimhwa-shi
anhyeop-shi

p'yeongyang capital city-state

namp'o city-state

kaeseong city-state

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the city list is updated, if i hadn't said so before.