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Old October 22, 2000, 22:58   #1
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Historical reasons to save the Camel.
Rather than discussing ways of wiping Camels out of existence, let's talk about how to make the Camel a better, happier Camel.

But first, a bit of History. The Golden Age of Rome, economically anyway, began not under the Republic, but under the Emperpr Octavian, otherwise known as Augustus. The Republic of course applied only to Rome itself, and then to Italy once Rome was forced to give citizenship to her Italian allies. The Senatore used their position to obtain governorships in the provinces, and would milk them dry. This of course was hard on economies, and in the long run reduced the economic resources availible for tribute in the future. The emperors, generally even the worst of them during the first 200 years or so, were far wiser in management. The 250 years or so of peace under the Empire from Augustus on, except for the civil wars in 68 A.D., allowed economic prosperity, as did the wise management of the emperors.

This was to come to an end. Around 500 A.D. Rome itself was sacked, and the western half of the Empire was lost. but before this time the Empire had become only a shadow of it's former self anyway. Here are the causes.

1. The imperial Government got too big. to support itself it was necessary to raise taxes too much. People fled their farms because they couldn't produce enough to pay the taxes and feed themselves. The Imperial government responded by instituting what became known as Serfdom, which is not a great economic model.

2. Decades of Civil war in the third Century, and others as well. A better method of succession would have prevented many of these.

3. Barbarian onslaught in the third century. This ravaged much of the Empire, and wasn't great for the population.

4. The army,though large, had become a border force, and it was difficult to mobilize a large enough mobile force to repel barbarian invaders before a lot of damage had been done. This was accompanied by much reduced dicipline. Without these factors, #3 would have likely been much reduced.

5.Disease, caused largely by war. See # 4

6. Stagnation in trade. In the early years of the Empire there was a lot of trade between less civilized regions of the Empire and more civilized areas. This was because people in the less civilized areas didn't know how to make a lot of the nifty things they had in more civilized areas, so there was a demand. But eventually the less civilized regions learned how to make the things from the more civilized region, so they just made them themselves rather than importing.

7. Technological stagnation. No new products to trade afar. See 6.

Economics, including trade, played an important part in the Roman Empire, and the decline of trade helped lead to the decline of the Empire.

Carthage is another example. Carthagenian power was based entirely on trade, which allowed them to build a large Navy and pay mercinaries to fight for them. This great trade power could have, but for twists of fate, defeated Rome in either of the first two Punic wars, altering history more than just a little.

Athens also had to become an economic power before it became a military power. Someone, (I don't remember the name: perhaps some historian can enlighten us) realized that it was a bad idea to try to grow wheat on the hills around Athens. So they grew olives instead, which grow quite well on the hills of Athens. They of course didn't keep this oil to themselves. Thety would have starved. They traded it so they could get money for food, and other things, like slaves and warships. They became the center of a powerful naval alliance. Then they got Stupid and decided that they could conquer the entire mediterranian. But that's beside the point.

So trade is an important part of ancient history, is even more important now, and should not be relegated to a minor roll in the game. If you want to conquer a city you can't just build the military units. you need to take them to the city you want to attack. Trade should be likewise. Or at least there should be a lucrative option to do it that way.


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The camel is not a part of civ.

THE CAMEL IS CIV !!!!

SAVE THE CAMEL !!!!!!
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Old October 23, 2000, 19:23   #2
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What do you mean, "The Camel"?
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Old October 23, 2000, 19:57   #3
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Meant the CARAVAN, i am sure.
I agree with the assumption... without commercially efficient ways to carry some products, you'd be stuck in the Sahara desert with a few barrels worth of water that everybody starves to get!!
Second the motion; Save the CAMEL and the cargo oceanic tankers.
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Old October 23, 2000, 20:00   #4
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Trade?
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