Radar Stations/Spy Stations

cityhelper · October 27, 2000, 11:42

I always thought there should be a radar station improvement similar to the airfields that settlers can create in open territory. This way you could see long range air attacks and incoming missile attacks. Just an idea...

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Tim White · October 27, 2000, 13:09

I think this is a good idea!

chrispie · October 27, 2000, 16:07

This is a subject I've thought about somewhat..particulary air defense.

I mean, during WW2 the British Fighters would travel far outside the range of their home city to attack incoming bombers.

So I feel maybe players should have some kind of auto defense option, where fighters will automatically fly out to attack incoming bombers, forcing the attackers to either try and fly through them, or bring their own fighter escorts. Obviously this brings in all kinds of in-built complexities, like having to introduce squadrons to allow units to travel together etc., but I feel it'd be much more realistic and indeed fun

Shogun Gunner · October 27, 2000, 23:03

Difficult maybe, but I hate leaving my bombers out in the open just waiting to be shot down during the next turn. Just hanging in mid-air for a year waiting to be shot out of the sky...

Then again, many people have explained these bomber attacks as a year long campaign which you take small amount of losses each mission which adds up to the destruction of the unit.

I accept that premise, but it begs for fighter escort as you state. I would love to see that..if bombers can hang out in mid air, so can fighters

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Biddles · October 27, 2000, 23:43

Interesting idea. So are you suggesting to group a fighter with a bomber in a kind of air army to repel enemy fighter attacks?

Also, should there be radar stations to detect incoming air groups. And a new order for fighter aircraft to intercept any airgroup within range. What about a SAM city improvement? This would do the same thing as a fighter intercept, but have a limited number of shots per turn.

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Nikolaos · October 28, 2000, 00:04

I agree with you on that point, and would extend it somewhat. I always thought about that idea for the ocean, having some sort of buoy system that would alert you when a ship got close.

cityhelper · October 28, 2000, 00:06

Yeah, Civ:CTP had this feature and it was great!

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Shogun Gunner · October 28, 2000, 00:16

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Originally posted by Biddles on 10-27-2000 11:43 PM
Interesting idea. So are you suggesting to group a fighter with a bomber in a kind of air army to repel enemy fighter attacks?

Exactly. We stack Aegis crusiers with destroyers because their functions compliment each other. Aegis versus air attack, destroyer to detect those subs.

Bombers and Fighters can compliment each other also. The strength of one unit protects the weakness of the other.

It's just the Civ II rules do not allow this, obviously. Unless you are the computer --it can leave anything up in the air as long as it wants(cruise missles, nuclear missiles, bombers, etc)

chrispie · October 28, 2000, 11:04

Anyone remember the good old days of Civ 1, where you'd bomb a city with 8 bombers, only to hear the dreaded tink-tink-tink-tink-tink... as one fighter takes out every one of your bombers, glad they got rid of that in Civ2.

So, the way I see it...we have bomber/fighter squadrons, maybe they are like this because formations of like units are allowed...and in the cities, fighters. I guess for each move an enemy squadron of air units makes there is a chance the fighters will scramble to attack them. This is based on the obvious, like has the fighter moved, and any advantages such as radar stations.

I think this would prove to mirror realism well, as a fighter is only able to scrammble to attack one squadron each turn.

SAM missile batteries I suppose would simply increases the attack/defense of all of you and your allies air units within a certain radius of the city.

And also, fighters can scrammble from Aircraft Carriers, unlike Civ2...

Shogun Gunner · October 28, 2000, 11:24

Ouch. Memories of Civ I... A few months ago, I reinstalled Civ I and gave it a try again. It really brought home all the improvements of Civ I to Civ II. It was a good reminder. Yes, I also have lost multiple bombers at once...it's like remembering a bad dream.

I think we agree that the fighter/bomber cooperation must be improved.