windowed vs non windowed.

markusf · November 18, 2000, 23:25

Who wants to see civ III be a windowed game vs a full screen game....

I find it interesting that one of the biggest appeals of civ II is the fact that it is windowed. At least this is a huge appeal for those of us that play the game online. So which do you think is better?

OzzyKP · November 18, 2000, 23:40

Well i don't see the point in *****ing and moaning here, but yea, i'm deffinatly in favor of it being a windowed game. I hate full screen games, i've always got a crap load of other things going on.

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Zer0_T0lerance · November 18, 2000, 23:46

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Originally posted by OzzyKP on 11-18-2000 10:40 PM

Well i don't see the point in *****ing and moaning here, but yea, i'm deffinatly in favor of it being a windowed game. I hate full screen games, i've always got a crap load of other things going on.

Easy to get around; just hit the Microsoft Windows key on your keyboard to minimize any full-screen program and return to the Windows desktop. Though, it may be a good idea to have a full-screen game only as an option.

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markusf · November 18, 2000, 23:48

Thats not what we talking about.

ALT tabing is a pain in the butt. If you get a icq message etc you will never know unless your alt tabing out every 5 seconds.

Zer0_T0lerance · November 18, 2000, 23:59

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Originally posted by markusf on 11-18-2000 10:48 PM
Thats not what we talking about.

ALT tabing is a pain in the butt. If you get a icq message etc you will never know unless your alt tabing out every 5 seconds.

Simple! If you have ICQ, then don't choose to play a full-screen game.

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Empress · November 19, 2000, 01:51

I definitly want it to be windowed. I think I would have played SMAC more if I had been able to do other things between turns.

November 19, 2000, 02:23

Has to be windowed.

I can't stand a game taking over the full use of my pc.
Don't like this in the reaMYST demo and it might put me off getting CTP2.

They talked for years about muti-tasking, well now we all want to do it!

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icq
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messenger
winamp........

I mean, you only do it if you got a good pc (or Mac)

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Moker Guy · November 19, 2000, 03:06

you summed it up ozzy. when you need to contact people its better to have a windowed game than a full.
full screen games suck.

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jdlessl · November 19, 2000, 03:18

Winamp I never had a problem with in SMAC, but everything else was a pain in the ass. I also got ahold of windowed Colonization and loved it to death.

Firaxis, if you're listening, for the love of god make it windowed!

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vlad · November 19, 2000, 04:11

I agree definately windowed!!! If it has multiplayer that is a must feature.

Evil Capitalist · November 19, 2000, 04:55

Am I the only person who doesn't mind full screen?

Mercantile · November 19, 2000, 04:58

windowed and multi player all in one. None of this sp game and then an mp game years later to make more money.

markusf · November 19, 2000, 05:10

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Originally posted by Evil Capitalist on 11-19-2000 03:55 AM
Am I the only person who doesn't mind full screen?

When your playing multiplayer and you got to wait close to 20 minutes later on in the game just to get your turn. The last thing you want is a game that is full screen it is boring as hell. Most of us love our windowed civ 2 because we can do our work, or chat etc between turns. I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone in the multiplayer forums who would be for a full screen game, its just such a pain in the ass.

finbar · November 19, 2000, 05:51

I just "hide" the game on my Mac and get on with other things. Apart from that, Civ 3 should be windowed.

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carnide_ · November 19, 2000, 10:25

Windowed!

arii · November 19, 2000, 17:08

Windowed. You've got to be able to do other things in between turns.

Zer0_T0lerance · November 19, 2000, 17:25

Pardon me, but I believe that a windowed game uses more system resources than a non-windowed game. Though, I don't have any information to support this fact, I've had this problem with other games. That is why the player should have a choice to either have a windowed or non-windowed game. Which do you prefer? Ease of doing other tasks while playing civ, or a speedier, more stable game. The player should decide.

P.S. If someone could successfully find some proof about this on the Internet and post it in this thread with a link to it that would be great! Thanks.

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November 19, 2000, 20:28

response on the same issue in the ctp2 forum from Pyaray, a ctp2 developer

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The problem with running in Windowed mode as oppossed to full screen, is that animations are VERY slow. We do actually use quite a few animations in our game. There were no animations in Civ2, and that's why it could be a Windowed game. I seriuosly doubt Civ3 will be that way, although obviously I don't know for certain

http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum35/HTML/000414.html#13

Crustacian · November 19, 2000, 20:50

windowed! CTP was a pain that way with no other messaging you could do easily.

markusf · November 19, 2000, 22:03

markg Just compare CTP 2 to Sudden strike, red alert 2,starcraft or TA. All those games have 4+ players moving 100's of units at once. The only real lag in those games is caused by the network in multiplayer... Anyways SMAC and CTP 2 only allow you to move 1 unit at a time, therefor the effects of animations should be insignificant. The battle sceens in CTP 2 are nothing compared to a 100 unit army clashing with another 100 unit army in either TA or startcraft

I think the point has been made here, that there isn't a single person who plays civ2 online that wants to see civ 3 played full screen. That is because people get bored to death waiting between turns, and at the same time your cut off from doing anything else on your computer.

ColdWizard · November 20, 2000, 00:00

windowed. i usually do several things at once and full screen games are a pain in the ass

UltraSonix · November 20, 2000, 08:28

I can't belive everyone ignored Markos' quote - I thought all you guys wanted pretty little animations in the game - looks like windowed will be unsuitable for that!

And as to the topic - I think the game should be full screen. (And that was before reading Markos' post.)

quote:

I definitly want it to be windowed. I think I would have played SMAC more if I had been able to do other things between turns.

Even though SMAC wasn't windowed as such, it still ran as though it was. You could still use other programs while playing - I use icq in the EOT's. But I think you might need to call up the taskbar by a ctrl+esc or use alt-tab or something...

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Sirotnikov · November 22, 2000, 18:02

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Originally posted by UltraSonix on 11-20-2000 07:28 AM
Even though SMAC wasn't windowed as such, it still ran as though it was. You could still use other programs while playing - I use icq in the EOT's. But I think you might need to call up the taskbar by a ctrl+esc or use alt-tab or something...

I noticed that too... SMAC works very good eith other games.
I think it's becasue it doesn't use Direct-X etc.
I hate when some one ICQs me during a MP game and a game crushes.

WINDOWED!!! WINDOWED!!! WINDOWED!!!

VetLegion · November 22, 2000, 18:59

full screen

Biddles · November 22, 2000, 21:52

Fullscreen.

It isn't that difficult to alt+tab.

Shouldn't it be possible to option this. I have seen games (a few years old, but still) that you can run in either fullscreen or windowed modes.

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UltraSonix · November 22, 2000, 22:15

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Fullscreen.
It isn't that difficult to alt+tab.

I think what is meant by "full screen" would be that is would be impossible to multitask - like in Starcraft. Otherwise the answer to the questionwould be obvious!

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Biddles · November 25, 2000, 00:06

Ultra, what are you talking about? You can ALt+Tab out of starcraft. I don't think I have found a game yet that you can't alt+tab out of.

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UltraSonix · November 25, 2000, 08:56

What the?
Be back soon to verify the veracity of that information... if SC is still installed.

edit: Damn it's no longer installed. But I seem to recall that SC wouldn't be alt-tabbed out of unless you access the map editor from the main screen.

Oh well in that case than the debate on full screen or not has a forgone conclusion, then.

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