February 11, 2002, 21:35
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King
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So we are back to slow responses again?
After things seemed to be humming along quite well several weeks ago, it seems that responsiveness has gotten worse and worse and stayed that way most of the time for the better part of the last week, give or take. I have been experiencing timeouts and long delays without any transmission activities, as if the server has been moved to Pluto instead of just to Greece. The appearance is that the server takes 20 or 30 seconds before it does anything; once it starts coming in, it is decently fast. Is it that once the chronic problems at the beginning of the year were finally fixed, that usage went up again or is it the gradual restoration of the various features slowing things down or is it something else altogether?
Whatever it is, it is nearly as bad for me as it was then and I guess we can look forward to users dropping out again and once more diminishing the Apolyton experience, such as it has become.
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February 11, 2002, 21:41
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King
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Apolyton is running just fine for me. Everything except the images. But that is bearable!
Good work admins.
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February 12, 2002, 00:03
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Apolyton CS Co-Founder
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If you are concerned that this problem is becoming chronic, send Markos and I a traceroute report via email. To conduct this test, type "tracert apolyton.net" at an MS-DOS prompt (minus the quotes) and then email us the results.
From what is generated by performing this action, you should be able to see for yourself if there is one or more digital 'hops' from your computer to Apolyton's server that may be slowing down the overall connection.
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Dan; Apolyton CS
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February 12, 2002, 03:20
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It is mush faster now then it ever was from Canada. 
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February 12, 2002, 03:25
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President of the OT
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Images and avatars and posting are a good 4-5x slower than before, but the rest of the site seems unchanged.
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February 12, 2002, 03:31
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No, everything is faster or unchanged, nothing is slower!
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February 12, 2002, 03:33
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Technical Director
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Well, maybe not 100% true, I think that attachments, and other files handled by the database (ie custom Avatars) might be slightly slower, but not very slow, as they sometimes were in the past. Now it is the sam speed all the time.
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February 12, 2002, 03:53
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President of the OT
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Before Civ3 was released, on the old server, it was at least 5-6 times faster for me for avatars, images, and posting. I'm not exaggerating.
Go figure. 
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February 12, 2002, 04:06
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Well, as the old server were located closer to you it is easaly explained, but the new server is closer to me .
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February 12, 2002, 04:08
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President of the OT
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I don't see how a server's location affects how slow database access is. 
It just appears that this server has a weaker CPU or less RAM or something to that effect.
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February 12, 2002, 04:14
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It is not the database access that is slow, it is the traffic over the Atlantic, the only thing the server seem to handle bad is files, it doesn't seem to get them mime-types correctly, and therefor it is harder for the browser to know how to request the files.
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February 12, 2002, 04:53
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President of the OT
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The speed's fine. I have acceptable ping, and the actual text pages load the same as always.
The only thing that gets slowed up is waiting for the images to start loading, which leads me to believe the CPU/RAM is a bottleneck since VBB actually treats all attachments as PHP files and has to parse them all to send them out with correct content headers. Seems like a really inefficient method to me...
I seriously doubt transfer speed is the problem, since once the files in the Civ3 file forum start downloading they go fast (118KB/s).
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February 12, 2002, 05:17
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No, Gramphos, Asher is correct. Overall everything is faster but avatars and graphics etc are indeed much slower now. It's got nothing to do with distance to host 'cause I'm experiencing the same thing and I'm even closer to Greece than you
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February 12, 2002, 05:59
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King
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Tracing route to apolyton.net [155.207.18.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 23 ms 29 ms 29 ms
Hmm, strange, it will only give one result then stop.
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February 12, 2002, 07:13
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seems to be working fine for me, must be good Australian cable . 
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February 12, 2002, 07:59
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My word! My speed's fine, but it takes 4 hops just to get out of Cambridge!
Tracing route to apolyton.net [155.207.18.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms route-cent-8.cam.ac.uk [131.111.133.62]
2 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms route-cent-3.cam.ac.uk [131.111.2.3]
3 3 ms 3 ms 2 ms route-enet-3.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.193]
4 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms cambridge-bar.ja.net [146.97.40.49]
5 9 ms 6 ms 6 ms pos11-0.lond-scr.ja.net [146.97.35.9]
6 6 ms 6 ms 7 ms london-bar4.ja.net [146.97.35.130]
7 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms geant-gw.ja.net [146.97.37.82]
8 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms janet.uk1.uk.geant.net [62.40.103.149]
9 84 ms 197 ms 224 ms grnet1-gw.uk1.uk.geant.net [62.40.103.182]
10 75 ms 75 ms 75 ms athens-athens-2.grnet.gr [194.177.210.225]
11 92 ms 91 ms 91 ms thessaloniki-athens-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.66
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12 124 ms 110 ms 91 ms auth-thessaloniki-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.138]
13 95 ms 93 ms 107 ms cisco12-lane.ccf.auth.gr [155.207.199.112]
14 123 ms 110 ms 95 ms vergina.eng.auth.gr [155.207.18.1]
Trace complete.
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February 12, 2002, 08:08
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Originally posted by Locutus
No, Gramphos, Asher is correct. Overall everything is faster but avatars and graphics etc are indeed much slower now. It's got nothing to do with distance to host 'cause I'm experiencing the same thing and I'm even closer to Greece than you
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Yes, and it has todo with mime difficulties.
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February 12, 2002, 08:41
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Im 24 hops away from 'poly.
Dial-up around here is shocking tho from all the rain, so all internet is slow for me. 
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February 12, 2002, 12:26
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King
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Here's a sample:
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Tracing route to apolyton.net [155.207.18.1] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 260 ms 271 ms 260 ms tnt13.dca5.da.uu.net [63.39.239.246]
2 260 ms 260 ms 261 ms 63.55.184.1
3 241 ms 250 ms 270 ms 259.at-3-0-0.HR3.DCA1.ALTER.NET [152.63.32.14]
4 250 ms 251 ms 270 ms 516.at-2-2-0.XR2.DCA1.ALTER.NET [152.63.36.50]
5 260 ms 260 ms 241 ms 194.at-1-0-0.TL2.DCA8.ALTER.NET [152.63.32.178]
6 261 ms 260 ms 271 ms 115.at-6-2-0.TR2.NYC9.ALTER.NET [146.188.141.198]
7 270 ms 281 ms 270 ms 186.at-2-1-0.XL2.NYC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.28.73]
8 260 ms 261 ms 260 ms 508.ATM7-0.GW8.NYC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.20.1]
9 261 ms 290 ms 271 ms dante-nyc1-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.60.250]
10 371 ms 370 ms 350 ms grnet-dws.uk1.uk.geant.net [62.40.105.33]
11 411 ms 431 ms 420 ms grnet1-gw.uk1.uk.geant.net [62.40.103.182]
12 430 ms 411 ms 430 ms athens-athens-2.grnet.gr [194.177.210.225]
13 410 ms 431 ms 410 ms thessaloniki-athens-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.66]
14 450 ms 431 ms 441 ms auth-thessaloniki-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.138]
15 441 ms 440 ms 471 ms cisco12-lane.ccf.auth.gr [155.207.199.112]
16 421 ms 430 ms 421 ms vergina.eng.auth.gr [155.207.18.1]
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A few times, there were much higher readings for hop 11 (mid 800's) - UK to Greece, but the above was typical at about 11AM EST.
Clearly there is a significant difference between the points on either side of the Atlantic, which would explain the general upbeat tone of the European posters. Nothing in these numbers particular jumps out at me though, except a generally mediocre speed, presumably not a function of Poly.
My problematic Poly experience is that there is a long pause before the (respectable speed) delivery of data seems to start. That suggests to me that either there is a delay while the Apolyton servers gather themselves to reply or that there is a lot of separate brief chatterings back and forth initializing the contact which require many sequential round trips before anything substantial begins, thus multiplying and exagerating the seemingly not-that-terrible extra times.
Last edited by johndmuller; February 12, 2002 at 12:44.
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February 12, 2002, 15:21
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Peak Times:
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Tracing route to apolyton.net [155.207.18.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 358 ms 348 ms 340 ms 192.168.250.200
2 473 ms 358 ms 338 ms 192.168.250.200
3 446 ms 349 ms 334 ms 172.16.95.26
4 332 ms 360 ms 359 ms 172.16.95.33
5 358 ms 340 ms 338 ms 213.120.207.201
6 440 ms 340 ms 347 ms core1-pos12-.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [194.72.9.197]
7 336 ms 746 ms 347 ms core1-pos13-2.ilford.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.196.229]
8 484 ms 881 ms 818 ms transit1-pos3-0.ilford.ukcore.bt.net [194.72.20.226]
9 500 ms 357 ms 417 ms t2a3-p9-0-0.uk-lon2.concert.net [166.49.215.193]
10 329 ms 358 ms 378 ms t2c1-ge6-0.uk-lon2.concert.net [166.49.176.11]
11 353 ms 351 ms 464 ms t2c3-p0-0-0.uk-lon1.concert.net [166.49.208.122]
12 384 ms 380 ms 354 ms t2a1-ge1-0-0.uk-lon1.concert.net [166.49.135.17]
13 347 ms 346 ms 360 ms london2.gb.eqip.net [195.206.65.225]
14 336 ms 341 ms 464 ms london50.gb.eqip.net [195.90.64.25]
15 374 ms 381 ms 415 ms infonet.uk1.uk.geant.net [62.40.103.153]
16 463 ms 479 ms 721 ms grnet1-gw.uk1.uk.geant.net [62.40.103.182]
17 694 ms 822 ms 495 ms athens-athens-2.grnet.gr [194.177.210.225]
18 631 ms 701 ms 457 ms thessaloniki-athens-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.66]
19 553 ms 798 ms * auth-thessaloniki-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.138]
20 544 ms 500 ms 478 ms cisco12-lane.ccf.auth.gr [155.207.199.112]
21 646 ms 612 ms 739 ms apolyton.net [155.207.18.1]
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February 12, 2002, 15:35
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Yes, Asher is right but for me the speed is still acceptable.
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February 12, 2002, 15:36
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Read and weep!
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Tracing route to apolyton.net [155.207.18.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 148 ms 137 ms 132 ms prometheus.dialup.ntua.gr [147.102.223.244]
2 132 ms 125 ms 132 ms router.dialup.ntua.gr [147.102.223.200]
3 135 ms 139 ms 122 ms quasar-blackhole.core.ntua.gr [147.102.224.46]
4 169 ms 171 ms 174 ms athens-ntua-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.129]
5 170 ms 189 ms 218 ms thessaloniki-athens-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.66]
6 174 ms 167 ms 180 ms auth-thessaloniki-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.138]
7 165 ms 186 ms 200 ms cisco12-lane.ccf.auth.gr [155.207.199.112]
8 163 ms 172 ms 173 ms apolyton.net [155.207.18.1]
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And yes, the server has trouble loading some images
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February 12, 2002, 15:53
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1 22 ms 39 ms 19 ms 24.67.0.1
2 30 ms 20 ms 9 ms rc2so-ge11-0.cg.shawcable.net [24.64.0.8]
3 43 ms 22 ms 19 ms VLN.Serialx-x-.GWx.POPx.ALTER.NET [157.130.157.41]
4 14 ms 21 ms 18 ms 116.at-6-0-0.XR1.CAL1.ALTER.NET [152.63.137.154]
5 17 ms 7 ms 9 ms 293.at-1-0-0.TL1.CAL1.ALTER.NET [152.63.136.74]
6 83 ms 69 ms 67 ms 0.so-7-0-0.TL1.NYC9.ALTER.NET [152.63.146.54]
7 96 ms 112 ms 75 ms 0.so-2-0-0.XL1.NYC9.ALTER.NET [152.63.23.118]
8 80 ms 61 ms 82 ms POS6-0.GW6.NYC9.ALTER.NET [152.63.24.65]
9 71 ms 103 ms 72 ms dante7-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.254.250]
10 146 ms 143 ms 144 ms grnet-dws.uk1.uk.geant.net [62.40.105.33]
11 252 ms 221 ms 217 ms grnet1-gw.uk1.uk.geant.net [62.40.103.182]
12 256 ms 223 ms 212 ms athens-athens-2.grnet.gr [194.177.210.225]
13 233 ms 221 ms 253 ms thessaloniki-athens-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.66]
14 227 ms 245 ms 231 ms auth-thessaloniki-ATM.grnet.gr [194.177.209.138]
15 227 ms 232 ms 261 ms cisco12-lane.ccf.auth.gr [155.207.199.112]
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Very good ping until it hits Europe.
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February 12, 2002, 18:12
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February 12, 2002, 18:38
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The ping on mine was fine until it got to Greece. 
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February 12, 2002, 18:45
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The announced patch was too mush for the server. I get database errors and server busy mesages all the time.
Time to close the OT 
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February 12, 2002, 18:54
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Ahhh, a patch announced...that explains why there's 600+ people here all of a sudden...I was wondering about the sudden rush of people...
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February 12, 2002, 18:57
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I am getting these busy messages too.
-FMK.
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February 12, 2002, 19:03
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Ahhh, a patch announced...that explains why there's 600+ people here all of a sudden...I was wondering about the sudden rush of people...
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Well, it will be worse tomorrow when they post the readme.
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February 12, 2002, 19:16
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