Battlefield Earth - Turn Reporting Thread - Page 10

Mongoose · April 29, 2002, 22:24

To clarify: I meant if I didn't get the Virtues, I would then go to war to get the Xenodome. (Of course, it's a bit late after somebody else builds it.) Because, without the Virtues+Brood pits, FM gets to be too much a pain in the backside later. The additional living space is nice, too...puts my bases on a virtual par with all of yours, sizewise.

But, failing to get the Virtues, I'll be moving to Green/Wealth. Then the Xenodome (and the NA, actually) become much more valuable!

This is all coming to a head now because you have already begun to open up a significant lead. PTS can be devastaing when properly used...you have done so.

Still need to hear from Archaic. I'm not sure which way we ought to go from here.

Edit:PS. Flubber, when you posted that long post, did you also pass the turn?

Flubber · April 30, 2002, 01:13

2166 to archaic

had not seen the turn at that point but now I have.

I agree the PTS is valuable. Although less so for the easy boomers IMHO. I know my pop lead will dissipate but I will continue my "PTS pop boom" as long as I can.

As for my "lead", I'm not sure what you mean by bringing matters to a head.

Do you see my perceived lead as a threat to or a reason to end our alliance ??

I understand your Sp reasoning-- since I never FM as Yang my needs are different but they do result in a liking for the AV. Bust as I said before, I will give that up and take another of the SPs.

Q ??archaic ?? what do you folks want to do ??

Archaic · April 30, 2002, 02:03

2166 to Mongoose

I'm in much the same position as Mongoose when it comes to SP's. If I fail to get the AV, then I'll be going towards Xenodome. As always with the Univ. the HSA is important to me also. As for others, I'll take them if and when the opportunity arises, but not if it means sacrificing the above.

Flubber · April 30, 2002, 08:54

so you 2 (or 3?) can argue over who gets the AV and xenoDome

More generally, I like the virtues as the Hive but never really stressed it as anyone else . . . and the xeno dome is really low on my list.

hmmmmm , for other games, I can see that I will have to re-evaluate those SPs since they seem to be held in such high regard. But for this game-- take-em

If no one objects then, I would take the PEG.

Mongoose · April 30, 2002, 09:18

2166 to Q.

No time to post more now. Later. (nicotine fit, must go to store!)

Mongoose · April 30, 2002, 14:32

I didn't spend 20+ turns researching Progy Psych and now Adaptive Econ to give you the PEG, Flubber.

Henceforward, all technology exchanges with Morgan Industries will be done on a case by case basis. If anybody figures I owe them, email me.

You're all welcome to whatever projects you can snare, as far as I'm concerned. I'll do likewise.

Guess that answers:

Quote:

Do we compete for the SPs we want or do we each choose somehow? I worked on the assumption that they were all fair game unless we agreed otherwise. How do others want it to work?

for my part.

Flubber · April 30, 2002, 16:45

As I said several times, I am willing to pick last and said I would take the PEG if "no one objects". Obviously you object and in a free for all will get the PEG. I don't mind but would have ceded the PEG to you in a selection process anyway in the name of keeping the alliance . . . its just that I recalled you mentioning the AV, Xeno, and HSA -- perhaps I just misunderstood or forgot..

As for giving away tech, I spent 15 years researching airpower and gave it away, which then put qantaga in the position to snare MMI first and the CBA since he had accrued research to apply. We are all in pretty much the same boat there-- I could have kept airpower and been the first to MMI ( in retrospect I am not terribly sad for snagging the CF that way) -- perhaps you saw me as a "poacher" but only my tech gift allowed him to get there first anyway -- ( and that was based on tech gifts and efforts from everyone else for that matter so I would have seen you or archaic as equally "entitled" )--

it seems like you plan to tech hoard from now on and its the end of the 4 way alliance. I am sad to see its passing and would still like to see if there are opportunities to keep it alive -- or perhaps a 3 way arrangement, . . guys ??. If it is to die then I will check the tech situation to see what is up and will email you accordingly if I feel there is an old tech you should give or ones I have that you are entitled to.

Mongoose · April 30, 2002, 17:01

Quote:

Originally posted by Mongoose
I rather thought you had your eyes on the Datalinks.

since you're researching Cyberethics. Likewise, I'm researching Prog. Psych so I can follow with Adaptive Econ and Planetary Econ. Morgan, dontcha know?

Possibly unclear here. Adaptive Econ is a goal of itself, not merely a stepping stone.

Quote:

Originally posted by Mongoose
I haven't given much thought to MCC, HSA, or TOE(!)

?? I made and make no claim to the HSA.

Does it follow that the alliance ends because tech sharing isn't an all for one?

Wouldn't have thought so. Maybe so.

Flubber · April 30, 2002, 21:41

Sorry about the HSA inclusion -- I was posting based on my memory of what you said rather than scrolling back through posts -- all to get to the point that I would step aside on The PEG if we would happen to continue techsharing

That still leaves open the possibility of a free-for all for an SP among anyone who has not undertaken not to go for it. I promised not to go after the Neural Amplifier for example and on that theory anyone else requesting the gift of that tech should make the same promise.

As for the alliance, I am open to suggestions. But we need to define it somehow. All of us cannot win, after all and I think for an alliance to work it has to have some objectives and parameters. I'm not looking for much but an idea as to how and when our alliance ends, what our basic obligations are and some basic ideas as to how we handle SPs would be nice.

Qantaga · April 30, 2002, 22:32

Ouch!...my head is spinning. I leave early for work, have a long day on the road and come back to a raging debate.

I will need to sleep on this before trying to sort out my feelings on the whole alliance/SP issue.

2167 sent to Flubber.

Qantaga · April 30, 2002, 22:35

Oh, and...

Quote:

Originally posted by Flubber
As for giving away tech, I spent 15 years researching airpower and gave it away, which then put qantaga in the position to snare MMI first and the CBA since he had accrued research to apply.

While this is literally quite true, please remember that the only reason the Drones were in position to build this one, and felt fairly comfortable in doing so, was because we were shut out of all the early projects. The CBA is our one and only project. As I have said all along, I am not overly concerned about projects, but I would like some.

Flubber · May 1, 2002, 07:57

Qantaga

I have no objection to your acquisition of the CBA (my favorite) for the very reason you cite. I knew if I gifted you airpower that you would almost certainly get the CBA but that struck me as fair. I was just using it as an example against the idea that a person is more "entitled" to an SP if they are first to research its tech, if they have been gifted the prerequisites in a techshare environment.

I have the turn and should be able to play in 3-4 hours

Flubber · May 1, 2002, 11:51

2167 to archaic

Archaic · May 1, 2002, 20:00

2167 to Mongoose

Mongoose · May 1, 2002, 20:51

2167 sent to Q.

Hope the file is all right. I got a blue screen when exiting SMAX. The sav file was in the folder I saved it to, and it seems to be the right size. (3 bits larger than the one I got from Archaic)

Qantaga · May 1, 2002, 22:26

The file was just fine.

2169 to the Hive.

Flubber · May 2, 2002, 02:38

2168 to archaic

On another question, I notice two players are now stockpiling in the Q-- My (often faulty) memory made me think this was not allowed in this game so I checked my game list and sure enough , I had a " NO" for stockpiling . I went back to the setup post by googlie and it says it IS allowed.

I did not notice anyone doing it before and now can't figure out which way we are playing. . . Either way is good with me . . . so which is it ??

Archaic · May 2, 2002, 03:00

*Shrugs*

2168 to Mongoose.

Qantaga · May 2, 2002, 08:01

I have used Stockpile Energy since it is very clearly allowed by Googlie's original post and I don't remember us ever deciding not to use it.

I would vote that Stockpile Energy be allowed, but I can understand if someone feels strongly against it. I am happy to go with the majority.

Flubber · May 2, 2002, 08:37

must be a brain cramp on my part but I could have sworn that no one was using the stockpile thing when I checked before , despite what the rules say-- I will commence using it immediately

Mongoose · May 2, 2002, 10:00

I've been using it the entire game. 'Cept maybe when I forgot, occasionally.

Mongoose · May 2, 2002, 10:31

2168 sent to Q.

WTF?! A CULT scout infantry shows up in Mexico, threatening me with destruction if I don't release D:AP. Must have hit a dimensional gate. They have 1 lift, a Unity foil that has been in Lagos since I built the EG, at least. No IODs or any other foils. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to snare a morale upgrade when I kill it.

Qantaga · May 3, 2002, 08:57

Very strange on the Cult scout. Good luck with the morale boost.

2169 to Flubber.

Flubber · May 3, 2002, 11:48

Odd stuff with that cult scout

2169 to archaic

It appears that SPs are "everyone for themselves" from now on, if I am understanding correctly. I will still tech gift but only after building the relevant SP myself (if I want it)--

Speaking of which, anyone want cyberethics ?-- I don't care about the datalinks so build it if you wish. I would like to get the centauri empathy tech at some point

Mongoose · May 4, 2002, 00:03

2169 to Q.

Odder stuff this turn. A cult mindworm ambushed a former of mine three squares form Denver. I can accept one cult unit popping into Mexico by dimensional gate..two units in as many turns defies belief. I also discovered a Hive chopper in Denver. I don't want Hive aircraft in North America, thank you very much. Without even a 'By your leave, CEO.'!

Pact terminated until the Chairman learns better manners.

Flubber · May 4, 2002, 07:57

HIVE NEWS AT NOON

. . . In a happier story today, A Hive aircrew, damaged and far from home, used the navigation feature knows as "Go to nearest airbase" to bring themselves to safety. They had anticipated that this would head to the nearest Hive base and that they might suffer further damage before seeing home. Instead, their equipment unerringly and accurately took them to the safe haven of Denver, without further incident. Denver is a base in western North America, previously unknown to the Hive, inhabited by a friendly nation known as the Morganites. The locals in Denver welcomed the Hive troops warmly, helping to care for their injuries.

HIVE ONE O'CLOCK NEWS

It appears that all is not happy with the story of the wayward HIve aircrew after all. While welcomed warmly by local residents, The visit by the Hive aircrew to the Morganite base of Denver has caused diplomatic repercussions at the highest levels. The Hive received a terse diplomatic note severing an alliance that had lasted 60 years.

A Hive government spokesman stated, " This matter was an error by the aircrew involved and we regret the incident. We are not suprised by the Morganites position on this matter as all the nations of the world will recall that they refused to share even basic map data as the rest of the alliance has done. Without such data, we were suprised to learn that a navigational feature, used in the attempt to get the crew home safely, would instead take them to an unknown base."

" We wish to thank the Morganites for their kind treatment of our crew and confirm that now that we have some concept of where the Morganites are, we will disable this auto navigation feature on our long range reconnaisance flights. WE will also refrain from entering Morganite airspace, but scouting outside such airspace will continue as we see knowledge of the nearby geography as necessary to our national security"

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On the odd stuff, I figure the cult scout you saw came by dimensional gate and had captured the worm. I had it happen to me once before I even had doc: flex that a scout went through a dimensional gate and then popped an ogre. Then (about 2 turns later as I explored) I found out I was right in the middle of another human players empire (he had a large hollow center as he had followed the coast). He seemed to have a hard time believing the "peaceful intent" of my ogre LOL

Mongoose · May 4, 2002, 13:35

"The Hive story is baloney!" a highly placed Morganite executive said today. He continued "We suspect the aircrew involved to be, in fact, highly trained members of Hive Special Operations. We further suspect that the purpose of this ostensibly erroneous and unannounced visit was to map Morganic territory, perhaps preparatory to some other nefarious operation. We view this incursion as a violation of trust of the highest order."

In other news, a Morganic Defense Ministry spokesman announced the imminent completion of Morganic Defense Force's (MDF) prototype aircraft.

-MNN Special Report

Flubber · May 4, 2002, 15:32

A meeting in the office of the commander of Helo Wing 12

" yes general . . . The Morganites seem to think our scoutship was some sort of planned secret operation using highly trained special forces"

" Wait a second Colonel . . . Did they not meet and interview the crew of the chopper?"

" yes general"

" . . . and that crew was made up of Lieutenants Dumkoff and Idiotson"

" yes general"

" and those two are the least able pilots you have and but for the fact that they are cousins of our chaiman you would likely grounded them long ago"

" yes general. thats precisely why I sent them where I did. I figured that even THEY could handle a patrol over empty ocean. After all there is nothing to bang into out there"

" Well colonel there's no way ANYONE would mistake those guys for elite troops. Obviously the Morganites are blowing this all out of proportion for their own reasons. Well, for whatever reason, we have an international incident and I have to go before the Joint Chiefs, the Chairman and the Office of Political Compliance so that they can each chew my head off and tell me how incompetent I am . . . Where are our wayward Lieutenants now ??"

" I ordered them placed in the brig until you arrived general"

" Well, I hear the chairman is pretty pissed about this whole thing so we can leave them there for now."

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The chairman meditated serenely sitting cross-legged upon a small cushion. The defense minister entered and seated himself similarly until with a gesture, Yang bade him to speak.

" Your excellency, The Morganites are posturing and raising a great fuss over what they refer to as the Denver incident. Our intelligence services are quite perplexed by the uproar since all that happened was that an ally provided a safe haven for another. What shall we do?

" My son . . . you know that a man often sees in others that which is in his own heart . "

" I understand excellency . . . he believes we will be treacherous and aggressive because those tendencies are within them. We should therefore be prepared for the possibility that those tendencies would manifest themselves"

" Do nothing aggressive my son. A patient man will see both enemy and friend reveal their true natures"

"I understand . . . Thank you excellency"

The defense minister left as Yang resumed his meditation, motionless and silent. The defense minister entered the command centre where the joint chiefs awaited him

" Ok people, we all know that the incident with those idiots in the 12th Helo have changed things. But the chairman does not want us to upset matters by any aggressive action but does want increased preparedness against attack. You should train up your units and increase patrols. I am changing our defense condition from green to Blue in the eastern theatre only. Remind your men that the Rules of engagement under this does not permit them to fire without specific command authorization unless fired upon. That is all. I leave it to you to ensure that there are no further incidents.

Mongoose · May 4, 2002, 16:08

LOL Yes, but...Who has the turn?

Flubber · May 4, 2002, 16:28

q as far as I know