March 4, 2002, 04:21
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So what's the deal?
It's up, it's down, it's up, it's down.
What's going on? 
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March 4, 2002, 04:26
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yeah, what happened?
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March 4, 2002, 04:53
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Re: So what's the deal?
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Originally posted by Asher
It's up, it's down, it's up, it's down.
What's going on?
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Life's going on 
Heck,
Apolyton has been into dramastic changes recently, as can be read in about section, so some minor problems are expected to occour.
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March 4, 2002, 04:57
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Re: Re: So what's the deal?
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Originally posted by Jeje2
Apolyton has been into dramastic changes recently, as can be read in about section, so some minor problems are expected to occour.
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The "dramatic" changes happened months (or is it weeks?) ago.
There's no reason those changes would magically cause the system to go down for 2 days unless they're moving to yet another server, in which case it'd be nice if they notified us...
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March 4, 2002, 05:04
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he had a power outage this weekend.... 
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March 4, 2002, 05:17
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Originally posted by MarkG
he had a power outage this weekend....
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Run out of carrots for the gerbils?
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March 4, 2002, 05:19
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March 4, 2002, 05:26
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I only know about UPS' that last half an hour tops! 
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March 4, 2002, 05:29
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Originally posted by Asher
You guys are running a server without a UPS?
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not a 24-hours one, i'm terribly sorry 
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March 4, 2002, 05:30
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Originally posted by Zealot
I only know about UPS' that last half an hour tops!
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There are some that last hours ( http://www.cablestogo.com/web_produc..._smart_ups.pdf )
But we still would have had downtime.
How come it took so long to turn on the server after the outage?
Why doesn't Apolyton run through a real service provider? When we did SidGames, we ran it through Bell. They had backup generators, so power outages never affected us. If the server had problems, they'd fix it within 24 hours. If the server crashed, they'd have it up again in a few hours, max.
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March 4, 2002, 06:05
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As opposed to web hosting, colocation (having a company to look after your server) is <em>expensive</em>, usually in units of thousands of US dollars.
It's reasonable if that's a company website, esp. one for e-commerce. But for a gaming site? Let's be realistic.
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March 4, 2002, 07:36
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What is an UPS? Could someone explain me that?
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March 4, 2002, 07:44
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United Parcel Service?  
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March 4, 2002, 07:48
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You mean if there´s the power outage UPS transports the posts per plane?
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March 4, 2002, 07:52
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right on, and if they can't, the Us Postal Service takes over
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March 4, 2002, 08:11
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last time i checked, sidgames was dead....
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March 4, 2002, 08:57
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Originally posted by MarkG
last time i checked, sidgames was dead....
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Touché
But what happened to sidgames system?
In it's days of glory it sure was big and huge and beautiful - it would be a pity if everything is just lost to the bit-heaven.
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March 4, 2002, 09:19
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Originally posted by BeBro
What is an UPS? Could someone explain me that?
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Uninterruptible Power Supply
I think the words say enough 
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March 4, 2002, 09:21
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
As opposed to web hosting, colocation (having a company to look after your server) is <em>expensive</em>, usually in units of thousands of US dollars.
It's reasonable if that's a company website, esp. one for e-commerce. But for a gaming site? Let's be realistic.
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O yes, agreed, I work at a co-location area, and it's certainly not cheap...probably explains why there's still a lot empty 
We had a UPS on fire a few weeks ago 
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March 4, 2002, 09:51
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Originally posted by Zopperoni
We had a UPS on fire a few weeks ago
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Well,
my last summervacation was nicely interrupted by a UPS that gone mad.
You see something broke the UPS and thus it switched itself off. OK, everything went down, but after about 20 seconds the UPS thought OK everything safe now => switch on. Again a 20 sec's later it went off again.
Our server with SCSI didn't like this for too many hours and thus the operating harddrive broke.
So yes I love my UPS systems, but I cann't live whitout them either
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March 4, 2002, 09:55
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Originally posted by Zopperoni
Uninterruptible Power Supply
I think the words say enough
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Oh, thanks
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March 4, 2002, 10:05
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Originally posted by Jeje2
You see something broke the UPS and thus it switched itself off. OK, everything went down, but after about 20 seconds the UPS thought OK everything safe now => switch on. Again a 20 sec's later it went off again.
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A weird thing happened at my work too. Some guys were working in the UPS room of Ebone, and the next thing, the fire alarm went off 
Luckily it was only UPS A, so the place could still run on UPS B.
Everythings double-secured here.
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March 4, 2002, 12:22
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Originally posted by Zopperoni
O yes, agreed, I work at a co-location area, and it's certainly not cheap...probably explains why there's still a lot empty
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In my last job my predecessor stupidly signed a two year contract to colocate the company's own tiny http server. Blah, CTOs who don't know what they're doing.
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March 4, 2002, 13:51
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Originally posted by MarkG
last time i checked, sidgames was dead....
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Yeah, because Kunal's a ***** and got bored of it and a girlfriend at the same time.
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It's reasonable if that's a company website, esp. one for e-commerce. But for a gaming site? Let's be realistic.
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It's very reasonable if you find sites that will do it.
You don't have to opt for enterprise-class hosting. There are people who do it for much cheaper too.
It is realistic. As I said, SidGames did it and there were actually profits made on top of it, even after paying for the hosting.
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March 5, 2002, 01:51
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As I said, it's not web hosting, it's colo (some call it facility management). There's a difference there.
Colo means you own the server but has it placed in the care of another company that provides Internet connection and other services such as backup and 24-hour monitoring.
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March 5, 2002, 02:02
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Maybe Apolyton should get Firaxis to host them
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March 5, 2002, 02:20
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http://tera-byte.com/colo.html
They seem to have reasonable rates. I don't know for sure, but Poly still might cost quite a bit. What do you say Mark? A TeraByte per month for $2600 usd. Just bill Horsie by the line, you'll be rich.
I think it's US funds, even though they are located in Canada. Pretty good guys. And their space is computer heaven. A nice steady 10 degrees Celsius (or so). I should say that I have a vested interest. I build some of their comps.
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March 5, 2002, 04:43
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A TeraByte per month for $2600 usd.
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chokes. drops dead.
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March 5, 2002, 05:29
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A TeraByte per month for $2600 usd.
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Isn't 1 Tera the same as 1000 Gigas?
For that price you might just buy 10 100 GB HD instead!
And they're your property (until they malfunction or get obsolete)!
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March 5, 2002, 06:07
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Come on, what do you expect? This server's in Greece, it doesn't run on anything else but houmous and spent car batteries 
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