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Old January 8, 2001, 22:28   #1
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Waterworks
I think that if Countour of land is added to Civ3, then there should be mnay Water based tile improvements, like channels, dams, aqueducts, sluice-gates and maybe even windmills, to move water.

Channels should be used for the movement of small ships, it could also be used to drain high altitude lakes (wouldn't it be fun to flood an opponent's territory in this way, drowning his units and citizens When an engineer builds a Channel, there should be a 10% chance he drowns upon completing the project.

Ships should also be able to travel on rivers, but only with a certain contour. They can't go up but can come down (If it is very steep, then they shall suffer damage).

Dams would be used to turn rivers into lakes, or to change river flows (rather useful to remove the trade bonus in an opponent's territory), they could enen be used to reclaim land inconjunction with windmills. Dams should have a .3% chance of bursting each turn. A special spy mission could be 'destroy dam'.

Aqueducts would be used to transport water long distances. This is useful to irrigate desserts and plains in the middle of a continent, without having to irrigate the whole way first. Aqueducts should also give a food bonus to connected cities (They should not be city improvements).

Sluice-gates are like dams, but they have an 'open' and a 'shut' postision. These would be used to prevent an engineer from drowning when connecting a channel to a body of water. They would also be useful for drowning opponents units in tiles further downstream. A pair of sluice gates can also be used to bring a ship up a waterfall. Sluice gates have a .3% chance of bursting each turn. A spy can switch them from open to shut or vice-versa.

Windmills would be used to move water from low lying areas into higher areas, and would be used to reclaim land from the ocean.

Two new terrain types would be neccesary, 'Lake/Sea bottom' produces 0 food, 1 production, and 0 trade. Automatically terraforms into plains after 5 turns. 'River bed' which is a dried up river. Produces no river benefits, however /3 movement still counts. Units on a riverbed can drown if it is flooded again.
Water units on a river which gets dried up have 1 turn to get out after the dam is completed and otherwise end up beached (not disbanded!). Logically if a river or lake is dried up, then all irrigation gaining water from it will be destroyed. If an area is flooded all mines are rendered unproductive for the next 2 turns and regain their production bonuses back 10% per turn due to them being filled with water. Any special 'Animal' resourses are destroyed with flooding.
If a tile is flooded, units on it will drown (exception, marines). If a city is flooded citizens will drown, and city improvements/wonders destroyed. If a tile is flooded for 5 turns all terrain is rendered as seabed, so if the area is drained the terrain is gone.

This will make water a lot more realistic in gameplay.

I can't wait to drown an opponent.
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Old January 10, 2001, 09:25   #2
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I would like settlers to be able to build a bridge between two continents/islands divided by only one tile of water early in the game. For example after the discovery of bridge building.
This doesn't seem unrealistic to me. After all the Bosporus was bridged already in ancient times by Persians and didn't Alexander the Great connect the island of (I think it was) Tyrus to the mainland by building a land bridge?
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Old January 10, 2001, 16:16   #3
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Originally posted by Mannamagnus on 01-10-2001 08:25 AM
I would like settlers to be able to build a bridge between two continents/islands divided by only one tile of water early in the game. For example after the discovery of bridge building.
This doesn't seem unrealistic to me. After all the Bosporus was bridged already in ancient times by Persians and didn't Alexander the Great connect the island of (I think it was) Tyrus to the mainland by building a land bridge?


Depends on the size of a tile, the ancients didn't bridge the English Channel did they? Tiles in Civ II are about 100 miles, a bit long for a bridge. Maybe if they become smaller
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Old January 10, 2001, 22:26   #4
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u dam right Grrr about ur waterworks idea, maybe on ur list u should include canals which would provide 1/4 movement, the resources of rivers & addition trade bonus cuz in history canals did a lot for economies

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Bridges: if the tile size is shortened to 50 miles a tile (and) it is only possible to be done by engineers.
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Old January 10, 2001, 23:18   #6
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Sea spanning bridges could become possible for the ancients without changing the scale if they added a tile that had a sea channel going through the middle of it (like the Bosphorous- what is it, 2 miles across with islands to anchor bridges? - that could fit down the middle of a 100 mile wide tile).

Of course, why couldn't you just use a river tile to represent the Bosphorous?
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