Zylka’s 95 theses on why Civilization 3 is an utter dissapointment - Page 2

The Andy-Man · March 11, 2002, 17:27

why did iropnkit have to **** up this perfectly good post?

Zylka · March 11, 2002, 17:27

I'll admit, I don't have a BMW yet. That was kind of a "see you in the near future" type insult

Zylka · March 11, 2002, 17:29

Thanks, Andy...

I'll have him banned shortly, or if I'm feeling nice, restricted from posting in this thread any further.

ColdWizard · March 11, 2002, 17:30

wow, what a great thread this has become, especially those worthwhile and enlightening posts of Ironikinit

Spec · March 11, 2002, 17:32

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Originally posted by Zylka

HAHAHA Who are you?

I'm a 19 year old runway model who's close to finishing one of three degrees. You pump gas for a living - admit it.

Now run along, kiddo. This is debate about civ3, not my repeatedly spanking your ass. Moving right along, back to civilized discussion, please

Hehehehe, you idiot. No I dont. In fact, I work at the Scotiabank in Canada. There. And BTW, every single post you make is about some thing you have to b|tch about, never constructive criticism so dont talk to me about civilized conversations moron.

Spec.

The Andy-Man · March 11, 2002, 17:32

my pleasure Zylka.

And Spec, his 65 points, imo, were constructive.

and, back to the real topic, i wanna say i agree with Zylka's points, epecially graphics ones. i would have bin happy with civ1 graphix if it meant the best game ever (ie, more time spent on gameplay etc)

In a gamne like civ, graphics are non important, so why they even needed unit animations is beyod me (makes it harder for ametures to add units).

Myrddin · March 11, 2002, 17:33

On the other hand, why attack Firaxis for not using the spell-check, while calling Civ3 'a dissapointment'

Zylka · March 11, 2002, 17:35

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Originally posted by Spectator

Hehehehe, you idiot. No I dont. In fact, I work at the Scotiabank in Canada. There. And BTW, every single post you make is about some thing you have to b|tch about, never constructive criticism so dont talk to me about civilized conversations moron.

Spec.

Ah, a fellow Canuck. Please tell Scotiabank to keep their f*cking doors open past 3:00pm

Let's just chill and move back to the thread topic, ok? No further insults are needed..

Spec · March 11, 2002, 17:38

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Originally posted by Zylka

Ah, a fellow Canuck. Please tell Scotiabank to keep their f*cking doors open past 3:00pm

I KNOW!! It's a b|tch, but I can't help you there man...

Quote:

Originally posted by Zylka
Let's just chill and move back to the thread topic, ok? No further insults are needed..

I agree.

Spec.

Zouave · March 11, 2002, 17:41

Oh well. Funs over. Unfortunately, this is a really boring topic, so I will go drink beer now.

KrazyHorse · March 11, 2002, 17:41

Some of Zylka's input was meaningul, some of it was just standard Zylka.

Have you snorted all your coke yet, pro-centrer?

Venger · March 11, 2002, 17:44

Nice to see those who have come after me carrying on the good work of exposing that the Emperor has no clothes...well done Zylka.

Venger

Ironikinit · March 11, 2002, 17:44

While I'm at it:

Andy, you're stupid bastard, anybody ever tell you that? Stupid, Jesus, you're thick as a damn brick. Calling you a retard is like calling the Pope Catholic. "Why'd Iron have to **** up a perfectly good whine?" Cos I'm ****ing sick of them, asshead, I thought I made that clear.

Hey, this is my week to quit smoking so y'all can kiss my ass. I'm a grump under the best conditions. Zylka's a poser, Andy's a tard, I don't have to keep my mouth shut... heh, until the proper authority appears to shut me up, which I prob won't even stick around for.

Venger · March 11, 2002, 17:51

Well then don't go away mad...just go away...

Venger

Zouave · March 11, 2002, 17:53

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Originally posted by Venger
Well then don't go away mad...just go away...

Venger

Dude. The use of a Motley Crew line completely invalidates anything you ever post!

Zylka · March 11, 2002, 17:56

Cold, nice to see you again. Nice how GL is dead now, btw

Yet I can't see how anyone would disagree with number 56. I mean come on, troops can't move along ROADS in opposition territory. With what logic can you justify that, foregoing subjective fun factor pros? Even if they could travel on roads, building up a ton of howies would not accomplish anything. This was a simple decision to make warfare less realistic and undesireable in near any circumstance. That is not fun. Unacceptable.

Venger · March 11, 2002, 17:57

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Originally posted by Zouave

Dude. The use of a Motley Crew line completely invalidates anything you ever post!

Motley f'ing Crue? Dude that line has been around ALOT longer than Vince Neil's sissy ass. Though they had some decent tunes...

First time I remember hearing it was in Heartbreak Ridge (pretty decent film...). And no, Crue wasn't in it...

Venger

Capt Dizle · March 11, 2002, 17:57

Having just spent two weeks in mingapulco, I just wanted to drop a line to Irony...the weather is fine down there this time of year.

Beyond that I am waiting for Ming to show up...no use using my ammo on amateurs.

Velociryx · March 11, 2002, 17:59

And welcome back from vacation JT!

Venger, you too, you ol' dog! Where you been hiding man?

-=Vel=-

Fitz · March 11, 2002, 18:10

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Originally posted by Velociryx
Also....I understand if you and Zylka wanna have a little flamefest....go for it....but was that last post really necessary? I mean, did further your argument in any meaningful way?

I would contend that the ONLY thing such colorful displays of language do is make the boards a less friendly place to be.

It is entirely possible to disagree with someone without resorting to name calling.
-=Vel=-

Vel, I agree generally with your sentiment here, but Zylka had it coming, and Iron and Spec have handed it to him. Kudos to them. Zylka's pitiful attempts to defend himself and try and strike back just make this thread all the more hilarious.

Anyhow, Zylka, I do agree that Civ3 has numerous shortcomings, and so does Firaxis. I too am dissapointed that Civ3 is getting the same shoddy treatment as SMAC/SMAX, namely full of bugs and lack of decent support. Although Soren does seem to be trying, there is only so much one man can fix at once.

However, I think your mostly negative tone, and sometimes downright flagrant insults, directed at Firaxis are unwarrented. As far as I am concerned, Civ3 is very playable with all its flaws, and every patch improves that. Now if only we could get a multiplayer that will work with TCP/IP from behind a firewall/router ...

ColdWizard · March 11, 2002, 18:14

zylka: realism? in civ3? surely you jest!

as for logic, i'm not a military expert. it seems to me though, that roadways are open enough to allow small numbers of defenders (partisans, citizen militia) to slow down opposing forces. advancing infantry might suffer harrassment fire and be forced to take cover, slowing them down. also, intersections for example make for nice pre-planned target points for artillery.

Velociryx · March 11, 2002, 18:16

Hiya Fitz!

I guess my core point is, even if he had it coming, the entire flame shoulda been confined to PM/e-mail. Doesn't matter who hit who first, or who started it.

That it was not confined, does not say particularly good things about any of the participants.

-=Vel=-

Zylka · March 11, 2002, 18:40

Vel - I'm eager to hear some of your additive theses. This, of course, would come in the rare occurence that I left something out

Capt Dizle · March 11, 2002, 18:49

Zylka,

IMHO, you only skimned the surface. Did you mention the absurdity that under ver. 1.17f you can choose between researching at full cost or buying devalued tech a turn or two later from the AI at less than 15% of its research cost?

Someone posted a screenie that showed fisson available for one coin. One.

Did you mention that one, I was laughing so hard I might have missed it.

Under the improved v 1.17f, you don't need to build libraries, universities, or labs. Just rush buy infrastructure and troops and you can lose. But, if you capture an enemy city you will find the citizens pissed because the PREVIOUS owner used the whip or the draft. They only stay mad for eeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeerrrrrrr. Did you mention that?

Did you mention that now, under v 1.17f, the perpetual unhappiness that occurs with conscription will end up causing the AI to IMPLODE and starve itself down to a rag tag collection of size 1 and 2 towns. All you have to do is watch it happen.

Did you mention those, I don't remember cause I was laughing so hard.

jt

Ming · March 11, 2002, 18:51

Well, Well, Well...

Ironkinit.... Enjoy your trip to Mingapulco. After reading through the entire thread, you were indeed the biggest jerk.
Three Weeks for you... Enjoy.

Zylka... Enjoy your return trip to Mingapulco... I have no problem with your first post. Granted, a few personal insults tossed at Firaxis... but no worse than some of the other crap I have seen around here... And yes, you started the insults. Granted, it was mild compared to what Ironkinit started. If you had walked away after he went beyond the limits... but nahhhh... you just had to have your fun and fight it out... Two weeks for you.