Who is the Best MP Player

Ming · March 19, 2002, 09:18

Who is the Best MP Player YOU HAVE PLAYED AGAINST?

I figured if the question was who is the best, many people would just respond "I AM"... so to avoid all the normal chest thumping (yeah, pigs fly, but what the heck) you can only mention somebody besides yourself...

I personally haven't played many of the self proclaimed "greats",
but my vote would go to Kaak... and to the best of my knowledge, I don't think he has ever been accused of cheating.

Who was your biggest nightmare...

DrFell · March 19, 2002, 09:37

The best? Why that would be me of course

DrFell · March 19, 2002, 09:40

But seriously... I haven't played that many great players myself... having joined in the later days of civ2 MP. I'd have to say the best I played so far was Eyes.

Ming · March 19, 2002, 09:56

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Originally posted by DrFell
The best? Why that would be me of course

I saw you were on-line, so I figured you would be the first to respond in this manner

DaveV · March 19, 2002, 09:57

With apologies to the other people I've played, I'd pick oedo. Not only a very strong player, but always fun to play. Of course, I've never played against a lot of the other people whose names will probably appear on this list...

-Jrabbit · March 19, 2002, 09:58

Since you're the only person I've "played" in MP, Ming, it would have to be you.

How's that for a totally gratuitous vote?

Ming · March 19, 2002, 10:00

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Originally posted by -Jrabbit
Since you're the only person I've "played" in MP, Ming, it would have to be you.

That's not true... You have also played Rah... So you must be saying that I'm better than Rah

-Jrabbit · March 19, 2002, 10:10

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Originally posted by Ming
That's not true... You have also played Rah... So you must be saying that I'm better than Rah

Hey, I'm not getting into that discussion -- now or ever!

(I knew I shouldn't get involved in this thread...)

Dank · March 19, 2002, 10:49

Well with me it would depend on what settings........with 1x1x I'd have to say DeityDude. plus he never brags.......with the 2x2x settings, well I'd have to say BraveLaker (remember him anybody) for the same reason.......doesn't thump his chest when we wins............

rah · March 19, 2002, 11:10

I don't think there is a best player. There are too many factors involved in MP..some luck...some skill. Even the best player goes down if everyone else in the game gangs up on them. So I think the real question is, who are the better players? Who consistantly does well despite the hand they're dealt?

Disclaimer: I can only judge the players that I've played more than a couple of games with. So I have left some well known players off the list.

Current Players
Top tier (no particular order)
1. War4 (adapts well, good expansion, and a good battlefield general. He sometimes runs into problems with his warrior defense at the core.)

2. Markus (focuses on trade which usually keeps him near the tech lead where he can exploit those tech windows. If you don't harass him early, you're usually in for a long night.)

Other players that I consider good players but sometimes lack consistency.

1. Berz (better than average expansionist, but sometimes use excessive resources to take a city you placed just to make him do it.) Of course sometimes i spend too much defending that position

He also sometimes falls for other traps set.
He is one of the best players when it comes to celebrating without any happy wonders.

2. Smartfart (Usually provides excellent competition, but sometimes doesn't adapt as well when pinned in early. He is an all around solid player.)

3. Ming (unfortunately I don't get to play many games with him anymore so it's hard to judge how he has improved over the last couple of years, and to list him in the top tier even if he may belong there.) He's a better than average expansionists. He, like me, probably spends more on defense then necessary.

Players from the past.
Matt. (solid player that would vary his stratagy more frequently than others, making him very unpredictable/dangerous. He was another of the better battlefield generals.)

Carnide. (one of the better expansionists. You needed to find him and jump on him early also.)

John Barbarosa. (I learned quite a few tricks playing him. I'd like to think that with my extra experience since playing him last, that I'd be able to hold my own against them. especially using RAH rules

)

Rich
My apologies to any I may have missed. I've played so many people over the years. Thanks to all.

ColdWizard · March 19, 2002, 11:48

kaak and rah. both have repeatedly, consistently, and good-naturedly trounced me by wide margins. kaak using general zone settings (king 2x2x etc.) and rah using rah rules.

deity · March 19, 2002, 17:26

Definitely these two.

They are totally diferent players and are the two players I've honestly learnt the most from.

You know that situation when you are playing a game and you love being in control but you suddenly get that feeling like the mafia just knocked on your front door! You are gonna die!

Especially with Makeo. He is always aggressive and competetive, not exactly the most peaceful player around

Without chest thumping, he's the only player to properly defeat me.

Markus has developed lots of good growth and trade strats which allow you to build a brilliant civ.

I feel I've absorbed skills from both these players but also other players. There are lots of great players around. I even learnt from AlexHorse

True! He's become a very good player.

Oh yeah, I forgot about MarkE. Besides being a great builder he is the best player for strategic movement of units in war times. And is one of the few who can turn a game around when all looks lost.

I've probably forgotten a few but obviously Nappy and arii are great players - only played a game or so with them.
Not played Smartfart yet.
Berzerker has become a very very good player also and is a great sport.

Sorry if I forgot anyone...

edit... Hydey said I better put mentiuon him! So consider this a mention

Seriously though, he's become a very good and dangerous player and is only one of three players to have ever taken a city from me, oops, sorry Ming

Hydey · March 19, 2002, 17:38

All of us who play MP are all very good players , we all have strengths and weaknesses against different opponents.
There are some who are very good at war, others at trade and some have a very balanced game.

I just enjoy playing with all of you.

SmartFart · March 19, 2002, 17:42

Aritea is only player i lost all games i played ageaist him.
My vote to Arii.

Alexander's Horse · March 19, 2002, 21:17

The best player I regularly play against is Deity. The trouble is he doesn't do duels (he certainly won't duel me) so its hard to compare him to some others.

Makeo would probably be the best Australian duelist I've played.

Honourable mentions go to War4 and Markusf.

One thing I've noticed is some players seem to need particular game settings for their "gameplan". I haven't played many of the other Americans because of time differences.

I'm a very lazy player - I don't micro, I watch TV between turns or chat on icq, surf the net. I just expand and then fight it out.

I'd rather play with people who are good company than necessarily good players per se.

Makeo · March 20, 2002, 01:10

Markus, Arii

Hydey · March 20, 2002, 03:26

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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I'm a very lazy player - I don't micro, I watch TV between turns or chat on icq, surf the net.

He surfs the PORN sites.

DrFell · March 20, 2002, 12:01

Hmm looks like I'm going to have to build a reputation here

Ming · March 20, 2002, 14:32

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Originally posted by DrFell
Hmm looks like I'm going to have to build a reputation here

It would help if you played people that posted here

oedo · March 20, 2002, 19:16

no doubt it was eyes or markusf.
I remember eyes was an excellent duel player but he sucked in teamplay, so after all I´d vote for markus, who was very strong on all settings and styles.

I never really played with ming, xin, makeo and a couple of other good players. maybe a good reason to grab out my civ2-cd once again.

markusf · March 21, 2002, 04:50

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Originally posted by oedo
no doubt it was eyes or markusf.
I remember eyes was an excellent duel player but he sucked in teamplay, so after all I´d vote for markus, who was very strong on all settings and styles.

I never really played with ming, xin, makeo and a couple of other good players. maybe a good reason to grab out my civ2-cd once again.

What do you mean "was"

There where no real other players who could play on all settings like me.

Best 1x (all levels)

Arrii, me, makeo,mad max, smartfart

(players like nappy where great at diety, but totaly lost on king.)

best 2x

eyes, kaak, me, arrii,jhorsbourgh

Eyes and kaak wheren't really that good. But they had dueling on 2x 2x no tech stealing, no bribing, etc etc down to an art.

Arii and me where the best at all settings, we played close to a 100 duels on all settings and map types and we were pretty much even.. Nearly all games were decided by starts.

And oedo i will come and play in the final, not having played for 6 months i am rusty!

http://civ2.net/liga/thread.php?thre...d=19&styleid=1

Kuja · March 21, 2002, 10:24

hm maybe i could try organizing it? i mean it can't be that hard right? what would doing this entail exactly besides the obvious?

Ming · March 21, 2002, 10:51

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Originally posted by Kuja
what would doing this entail exactly besides the obvious?

Listening to everybody whine about the selected settings...

Trying to get people to play the matches they are in...

Making sure that people don't quit the games they are in...

Dealing with the accusations of people cheating...

You know... the obvious stuff

War4ever · March 21, 2002, 22:13

The Ferrets are by far the most competitive of all players i have played...

firstly, they never quit, they are always competitive, and they enjoy the finer things in life that go with the game.....

they are treacherous when need be, and powerfull allies when called upon..... full of honor.

spend a bit too much on defence IMO but then again, they never whine about barbs either....

WLTCD as well as any player i have seen...and are often fast on the first wonder

Practically wrote the "ART of War" for combat

very well balanced opposition who don't require trade to be competitive

no offence to anyone else who are all great players as well..

best pure player on all settings.... MarkusF

rah · March 21, 2002, 23:45

Proof that War4 is my evil DL.

Or just enjoying those finer thing.

Thanks war. The ferrets always enjoy tusseling with the beavers.

RAH

arii · March 22, 2002, 09:06

My vote goes to
markus for his civ building skills and makeo for his warmonging skills.
Nappy was 1 of the best at deity and at sneak attacking you (pin point accurate attack on your capital even when you are continents away).
Other very good players that I have had the pleasure to play:
smartfart, ming, rah, xin, carnide, and some that I have forgotten

cavebear · March 22, 2002, 09:11

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Originally posted by Kuja
hm maybe i could try organizing it? i mean it can't be that hard right? what would doing this entail exactly besides the obvious?

HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, !!!!!

(wiping tears from eyes and ROTFLMAO!)

Sorry, Kuja, I've "been there done that". It is is virtually impossible.

Ming · March 22, 2002, 09:49

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Originally posted by cavebear
HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, !!!!!
(wiping tears from eyes and ROTFLMAO!)

I was waiting for you to see this thread and post

Eyes_Of_Night · March 22, 2002, 20:50

I don't care about this post and I just happened to stop by today, so I'm only going to comment on one thing.

"Eyes and kaak wheren't really that good. But they had dueling on 2x 2x no tech stealing, no bribing, etc etc down to an art.

Arii and me where the best at all settings, we played close to a 100 duels on all settings and map types and we were pretty much even.. Nearly all games were decided by starts."

Markus you have never beaten me in a 1x1x medium map duel. You are what? 0-3 at the very least? Also, I always played with bribing and tech stealing. Yet another completely false statement by you. I only started using no bribe since that became the standard way of playing on the zone after a while. As for the comment about team games...I have only lost 1 team game in the past 3 years of playing. I could really care less if anyone votes for me, but I do care if people make stuff up. If you can't be truthful, just don't bring me into this.

OzzyKP · March 22, 2002, 22:11

Well since people have begun to refine the definition of "best player". Choosing best 1x or best 2x or whatever I'm going to cast my ballot for my version of who I think is best, which is for the best Diplogamer. Its all I play anymore, and it is far different from other forms of civ.

Since a diplogame is much different the diplorankings are much different as well. Not just the person who wipes the floor best, but other factors must be considered.

Top candidates I've played are Drake, Deity, Capo, are Rasputin.

I'd probably have to give my nod to Rasputin with Capo a close second.

Both can craft a compelling and very interesting story around their game. Both do a good job of keeping in character during the game and sometimes making in-character decisions that might not be in the best interests of someone just out to rule the world.

Capo is great at making a diplogame come alive, and become real, but he looses points for his spotty attendence and frequent temper trantrums that result in him leaving games, then coming back, and then leaving and coming back again.