Who is the Best MP Player - Page 2

cavebear · March 23, 2002, 02:26

Ming - Yes, you would be one of the people who understand the futility of my efforts to accomplish exactly what Kuja so innocently proposes to do (and no insult in any way to Kuja for the idea of the attempt).

Kuja - I must advise you of some things. First, I really endorse your intent. I tried it myself twice. It was an excruciating experience. The first time, I manged to bring the tournament to a conclusion (sort of like Hercules wrestling Death in mythology). The second time, well, let's just say Death won.

Allow me to explain why.

1. Most of these "top" players would rather walk over hot coals than actually play each other. They might (horror of horrors) lose. Some of them, you couldn't force to play each other if you held a gun to their heads.

2. Did you notice that one of them offerred *only* to play the winner of a competition series in a final championship game? That is because most of them cannot stand the thought of having to actually *earn* their way to the final matches. The first tournament I organized showed that most of them would not survive the competition. Those that felt that way, and entered, died like flies.

3. You will never be able to provide the prima donnas the conditions they demand. If you try, they will demand more, if you don't try, they will back out and complain that you "don't understand the real game".

4. You want misery? Try setting up matches between players around the world. Time zones are terrible things. You will end up with only US players playing US players, Aussies, Aussies, and Euros, Euros. There are some notable exceptions to that (and you people are great!). Some few players are really flexible. But it won't be enough.

5. The conditions of the matches will never EVER be sufficient. These "top" guns want the absolute conditions they have formulas for, and they will not play otherwise. They talk the talk, but they will not walk the walk when they claim they are ready to fight.

6. They want to compete, and you may even get a few of the top players to start. Don't worry, they won't stick around (again, with the very few notable exceptions). They will develop college problems, or sick relatives, or the sun will rise in the East. Anything to get out of a long-term competitive commitment. If they worked for me, I would throw their asses out on the streets.

7. Maps - You can't offer random maps. They will howl for months and never start the game. But if you give them carefully constructed and fair maps with starting positions and no extra techs, they will will complain about other things. The important thing to them is that they must not be actually forced to play people who might possibly beat them.

I know most of the players whom these descriptions would *not* apply to. But I won't list them. If I left out even one of "the good ones" it would hurt their feelings and I would feel terrible, and my memory is not that good.

deity · March 23, 2002, 02:34

So, that's what cavebear really thinks of us!!

LOL

SmartFart · March 23, 2002, 20:28

And may I vote for Eyes as well,he is annoying pest OK

but he made standards for x2x2 games. Markus is overall an OK player.

Makeo ... great player,War,Ming Rah as well.

Good to keep good game going.

Berzerker · March 23, 2002, 21:24

Eyes -

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I have only lost 1 team game in the past 3 years of playing

Would that have been the team game you lost to Markus and me?

Not much of a loss, seems our team's early contact was so crucial.

Top Tier:

Markus
Smartfart
Mark Everson
Nappy
arii
Matt
Eyes

Second Tier:

Rah
Ming
War4ever
Kuja
Deity
Makeo
Carnide

Apologies to those I've forgotten

oedo · March 23, 2002, 23:04

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Originally posted by Berzerker
Eyes -

Would that have been the team game you lost to Markus and me?

don´t think so. I think he either means the game he was playing with kuja against UpInFlames and me. or he could also mean the game he played with nappy and lost to jes and me.

Hydey · March 23, 2002, 23:57

Look if eyes says he has only lost one then I for one believe him, I can't recall him ever getting his facts wrong before.

deity · March 24, 2002, 07:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Berzerker
Eyes -

Would that have been the team game you lost to Markus and me?

Not much of a loss, seems our team's early contact was so crucial.

Top Tier:

Markus
Smartfart
Mark Everson
Nappy
arii
Matt
Eyes

Second Tier:

Rah
Ming
War4ever
Kuja
Deity
Makeo
Carnide

Apologies to those I've forgotten

Geeeez, Berz, wtf does a God have to do to get into the top tier

But I'll leave all that to a chest-thumping scalp-counting thread.. LOL

But seriously you'd be in those groups too Berz, as would drake and Crusty.

cavebear · March 24, 2002, 09:58

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Originally posted by deity
So, that's what cavebear really thinks of us!!

LOL

*Most* of you guys were wonderful participants.

Berzerker · March 24, 2002, 23:07

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don´t think so. I think he either means the game he was playing with kuja against UpInFlames and me. or he could also mean the game he played with nappy and lost to jes and me.

Hmm... lost only one team game Eyes?

Quote:

But seriously you'd be in those groups too Berz, as would drake and Crusty.

Well, I forgot Oedo, Xin, and UpinFlames and a few others no doubt. I can only remember playing some of these people once a long time ago.

Eyes_Of_Night · March 25, 2002, 11:32

Actually Oedo, I know what game you're talking about. It was back when I was playing under one of my weird names and I was even given an invitation to Europa. hehehe I was basically carrying the game since my partner sucked...I think it was zylka. You guys were in no way beating us, we just never finished the game. Ok, I do remember a team game being lost ONE time to Markus and one other player because kaak sucked ass that game. And the team game I was referring to was the game against kaak (No need to mention his partners since they basically didn't even play). And you had to see the map on that one. It was ridiculous.

P.S. How come you guys always say I can only play small map duels? Did you guys completely forget the year I came in here and played all 1x1x Medium map duels? Am I a duels only player? Certainly. Am I only a 2x2x player? Most definitely not.

Zylka · March 27, 2002, 03:07

Duels are a waste to rank, but Kaak would be #1... from actual mp I'd have to say War4ever, or Markus. At the same time, Markus would never shut his mouth after a game about how good he was doing, or how horrible his luck was

Ming & Rah were always a pleasure to play in the "setting up games" nights... close contest with war4, although I didn't play with y'all enough to really know

Just wish I could have joined the ranks in civ2 mp. But alas, like AH, I spent too much time floating between message boards/pornography and playing with myself between turns. I will see to it that you champs fall in civ3

markusf · March 27, 2002, 12:22

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Originally posted by Zylka
At the same time, Markus would never shut his mouth after a game about how good he was doing, or how horrible his luck was

half of civ is phsyc

rah · March 27, 2002, 17:21

Maybe not HALF, but I tend to agree. I've suckered people into not attacking on occasion because they feel sorry for me, just to kick their ass later.

But there is a fine line between that and just plain whining

RAH

Deity Dude · March 27, 2002, 17:58

Thats why it is best not get into mid game discussions - especially with good players

War4ever · March 27, 2002, 20:44

of course the best way to whine is via icq phone or whatever internet phone you use!!! not that it will save you , or prevent your buddy from attacking you by mistake hahaha

rah · March 27, 2002, 21:01

I swear, I thought I was attacking someone else.

Alexander's Horse · March 27, 2002, 21:09

Look I'm the best player so you can close this thread now.

Noone could be as lazy a player as I am and still be competitive without being the best

markusf · March 27, 2002, 21:39

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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Look I'm the best player so you can close this thread now.

Noone could be as lazy a player as I am and still be competitive without being the best

I take 10-20 second turns and never micro.. I call that being the laziest and fastest player. Long term goal always wins out over short term science/gold gains anyways...

War4ever · March 27, 2002, 23:01

markus is real lazy...... or maybe just real busy

while he plays

Alexander's Horse · March 27, 2002, 23:26

War4ever · March 28, 2002, 00:04

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Originally posted by rah

I swear, I thought I was attacking someone else.

the beauty of that was i didn't warn you it was me..even though i knew you would attack me....we were talking about it...and i kept my honor even though i was going to lose a set and a few other troops out of the deal... icq phone or no.... there is no honor among thieves