Zylka’s 95 theses on why Civilization 3 is an utter disappointment. - Page 7

Ethelred · March 28, 2002, 23:42

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Originally posted by Zylka
True.. although I do wonder what happened to ol' Iron.. did I get him locked away for good?

He got one more week than you did.

Two for you three for him. So maybe he well be back this Monday. I think he posts on CivFanatics as well though. Maybe he will stick with it.

TCO · March 29, 2002, 03:36

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Originally posted by KrazyHorse

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I'm not a history expert, but I don't think bombers are historically responsible for too many ship kills, especially against larger ships like battleships and carriers

Good Lord. I'd go so far as to say the 90% of the capital ships sunk in WWII were lost as a result of bombing or torpedoing from the air.

sounds high. Submarines got lots of tonnage.

TCO · March 29, 2002, 03:38

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Originally posted by Coracle

Firaxis knows NOTHING about Military History.

I can think of only ONE battle where a battleship (not a battlecruiser, which were more lightly armored) was sunk by surface gunfire - Surigao Straight during the Leyte Gulf campaign in 1944. An old Japanese battleship was sunk by American BB's.

Warships get sunk by AIRPOWER; battleships almost exclusively by airpower.

BTW, the Bismarck was scuttled after being shelled. It was not sunk by gunfire.

grrr...look at my avatar...

TCO · March 29, 2002, 03:46

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Originally posted by notyoueither
Oh man. BucksRock, do some reading willya.

1. Infogrames is the publisher, not Firaxis. [My opinion now] The only option Firaxis would have had was whether to blow the dead line (and be in default of a contract with the publisher) or to brush it up enough before release and stick with it later (which they are doing). [/My opinion]

2. The guts of the development team were ripped out a while after the project was begun when Brian Reynolds and a bunch of *his guys* walked. That left Firaxis with the deal, but no team. [My opinion now] I think it's a small wonder (pun intended) that the final team created as decent a game as they did. And, again to their credit, they are not abandoning it. [/My opinion]

*One thing I take exception with is flaming the programmers.* This I agree with, only as I pointed out, Firaxis is in the camp of the programmers. Actually, it is the camp of the programmers, or whatever. As for the evils of publishers, ever heard of BattleCruiser3000?

The thread is very entertaining, although I disagree with many of Zylka's theses. Just call me catholic.

Please save us from the "evil publisher/noble developer myth". Firaxis was responsible for development. If they couldn't keep a team together, that's their fault.

Dis · March 29, 2002, 03:48

this game is the best game ever released in the month of November 2001

notyoueither · March 29, 2002, 03:49

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Originally posted by GP

Please save us from the "evil publisher/noble developer myth". Firaxis was responsible for development. If they couldn't keep a team together, that's their fault.

Perhaps you'd prefer an evil developer story. Try CTP2.

Grumbold · March 29, 2002, 06:14

CtP2 was abandoned by the suits in Activision, not the programming team that wrote it, so thats really another "evil publisher" story

civman2000 · March 29, 2002, 10:13

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Originally posted by Zylka

"Could have been" suggests "could have been good, but it wasn't". Does it get any simpler?

Yes it does. It is not "could have been good", it's "Could have been great." Plus, as mentioned earlier, if you look at the posts, most people took it to mean "good but not great until it gets patched up some more"

Zylka · March 29, 2002, 16:25

Shut up.

Thanks

Zylka · March 29, 2002, 16:26

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Originally posted by Dissident
this game is the best game ever released in the month of November 2001

ahaha I can agree on that one

Tarquelne · March 29, 2002, 16:45

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Originally posted by Zylka
Shut up.

That reminds me:

I guess I own you an apology for calling you a "fool." After being called a "patronizing worthless newbie." it just didn't occur to me that "fool" (in the ironic manner I intended - I know, my fault if it came accross as a direct insult, rather than an oblique one.) would make me pop up on the Mingapulco Air Defenese radar. Perhaps if I had refered to Z. as a "arrogant worthless snob" instead? No fear - I've learned my lession - personal insults should be hidden near the end of a longish post, not at the beginning of a short one.

I guess Z. spoke the truth about not responding to anyone's counterargumetns. (I don't mean to be insulting by calling Z. a liar... but many people do have the habit of posting on even after they've said they'll stop.) So, what are the last several messages about?..... Uh huh. It seems the 95 thesis discussion is all over but for the "*****ing and moaning." I guess its time for me to stop posting on the thread.

Really.

Zylka · March 29, 2002, 16:54

I stopped responding a while ago... remember, when I said I was sick and tired of patronizing worthless newbies?

Oops! Just what am I doing right now?

KrazyHorse · March 29, 2002, 18:20

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Originally posted by GP

sounds high. Submarines got lots of tonnage.

Against BBs and a/c carriers? My understanding was that in WWII a sub had very little chance even against a destroyer.

Tarquelne · March 29, 2002, 18:28

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Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Against BBs and a/c carriers? My understanding was that in WWII a sub had very little chance even against a destroyer.

You might want to post that in the "Naval history and civ3 thread"

KrazyHorse · March 29, 2002, 18:58

EDIT

never mind

AJ Corp. The FAIR · March 29, 2002, 19:47

Like your new avatar, Zylka.

She's even more suggestive and sexy than ever before.

AJ

Zylka · March 29, 2002, 20:27

I think she looks kind of sad... having to put her shirt back on and all...

If only it weren't for a certain prude

faded glory · March 29, 2002, 21:05

Tarquelene and Ethelred. You 2 are complete morons. Cant you ever reply to a ****in thread without flaming or insulting people for what they think about this game?

TCO · March 29, 2002, 21:30

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Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Against BBs and a/c carriers? My understanding was that in WWII a sub had very little chance even against a destroyer.

subs sank plenty of warships...

Ethelred · March 29, 2002, 21:36

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Originally posted by Zylka
I stopped responding a while ago... remember, when I said I was sick and tired of patronizing worthless newbies?

Talking about yourself again?

You aren't responding because you got blown out of the water. You are down to calling experienced long term gamers newbies because because they just joined here.

Pretty pathetic.

Ethelred · March 29, 2002, 21:42

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Originally posted by faded glory
Tarquelene and Ethelred. You 2 are complete morons. Cant you ever reply to a ****in thread without flaming or insulting people for what they think about this game?

Still haven't learned I see. You are exceedingly limited in your ability to flame.

I was the one insulted. So you can't read very well I guess.

I replied to Zylka's flame ridden post with no more vitriol than he used. I just did it better.

Whereas the best he can do is to call people newbies. Like you calling people morons. Equally pathetic.

Here is a link you desperatly need.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/

They have a word of the day. One a day should be about your speed.

Tuberski · March 29, 2002, 21:50

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Originally posted by Ethelred

Still haven't learned I see. You are exceedingly limited in your ability to flame.

I was the one insulted. So you can't read very well I guess.

I replied to Zylka's flame ridden post with no more vitriol than he used. I just did it better.

Whereas the best he can do is to call people newbies. Like you calling people morons. Equally pathetic.

Here is a link you desperatly need.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/

They have a word of the day. One a day should be about your speed.

Touchy!

I haven't read this thread in three days....yet somehow I didn't miss anything relevant!

Tarquelne · March 29, 2002, 22:22

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Originally posted by GP

subs sank plenty of warships...

(Some figures are in the - ahem - Naval History thread.)

Zylka · March 29, 2002, 22:36

I'm not responding because each time I do, you can't seem to get it through your thick f*cking heads how badly you've lost the argument

. It's one thing to not realize how inept you have come off with the initial arguments, quite another to keep repeating them with faltering effect.

Looking back through this thread, the majority of posters "agree with most of what [I] have said", whilst two or three of you persist with attention seeking idiocy. I don't have all that much time to repeat superior responses to your pathetically structured ramblings. Your grammar needs serious attention, and I will not put up with sub-mediocrity any further.

Get an education, failures

Zylka

Zylka · March 29, 2002, 22:51

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Originally posted by faded glory
Tarquelene and Ethelred. You 2 are complete morons. Cant you ever reply to a ****in thread without flaming or insulting people for what they think about this game?

Can't believe I missed this gem

It's a fitting summation that people are laughing at you. Really though, do the two of you prance about together looking to defend firaxis against anything?

Tuberski · March 29, 2002, 22:56

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Originally posted by Zylka

Can't believe I missed this gem

It's a fitting summation that people are laughing at you. Really though, do the two of you prance about together looking to defend firaxis against anything?

When are you going to get "Precious Princess " fixed.

Like the new avatar better than michael bolton.

Ethelred · March 29, 2002, 22:59

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Originally posted by Tuberski

Touchy!

I haven't read this thread in three days....yet somehow I didn't miss anything relevant!

There was plenty of relevant stuff. Zylka's response was to call people newbies. Spread it around to many when he was unable to rebut.

FG seems to have a grudge. This isn't the first time he has gone out of his out his way to attack me. Besides I wasn't being touchy. FG is getting an education. Its not my fault that he refuses to learn how to flame with style and wit or at least respond in a civil manner.

Soon I may give up him. He may be lost cause as a student.

Ethelred · March 29, 2002, 23:05

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Originally posted by Zylka
I'm not responding because each time I do, you can't seem to get it through your thick f*cking heads how badly you've lost the argument

Yes the use of gutter words. A sure sign of a loser in an arguement. Thank you for your surrender.

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Looking back through this thread, the majority of posters "agree with most of what [I] have said", whilst two or three of you persist with attention seeking idiocy. I don't have all that much time to repeat superior responses to your pathetically structured ramblings. Your grammar needs serious attention, and I will not put up with sub-mediocrity any further.

Get an education, failures

Zylka

Looking back on this thread I see you responding with garbage to every well reasoned responce. Newbie., idiocy, and now you can only manage to be a potty mouth.

If you can't stand mediocrity how do you live with yourself?

Zylka · March 29, 2002, 23:07

Would you like me to fill in all of the missing words and punctuation in your last post? I will, if you ask nicely

Ethelred · March 29, 2002, 23:08

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Originally posted by Zylka

Can't believe I missed this gem

It's a fitting summation that people are laughing at you. Really though, do the two of you prance about together looking to defend firaxis against anything?

Its sad truly sad that you would find that pathetic post a boost to your downtodden ego.

Is no substitute for an inteligent remark. Its no suprise you use it so much.